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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/5/2010 12:24:05 PM

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I guess it depends on your Doc. Myself I pretty much trust my doc, he's a superb diagnostician, I describe my symptoms, he says...hmmm, sounds to me like "such-and-such" we do the tests and he is dead on, he hasn't been wrong yet. He also does not like over medicating (particularly painkillers), so when he recommends a medication I go along. This is not to say I don't research the meds when I get home, I do, but I trust his judgment.
I have been suffering frequent devastating migraines, 2-3 a week, nothing I did or took helped, I made an appointment, he decided it was blood pressure related even though my BP is only slightly high, prescribed a pill for that and BINGO! I have had only 2 migraines in the last month and neither was as bad as they used to be. If your doctor isn't doing a good job, find another one, you wouldn't keep calling a plumber who's work was substandard, so why continue with a doc you do not trust?

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/5/2010 12:50:13 PM

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I agree with you 100% Arpig, my doctor is the same way. I have also worked for various doctors for 15 years or so and, strange as it may sound, they manage to correctly diagnose and treat their patients too. Aaaaaand they aren't all that keen on prescribing meds unless they are necessary.

Strange that....

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/5/2010 12:52:29 PM

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this slave has requested the diagnostic advice and prescription services of so many MD's she has lost count. the vast majority of them have an extremely limited view of the practice of medicine.

the common denominator has always been that THEY have access to the diagnostic machines/tests and the power to prescribe...and this slave is the one with the superior knowledge of how her body works and what poisons/benefits it.

one too many times this slave has received advice from an MD that was in sharp contrast with her experiences and resulted in multiple trips to address issues BROUGHT ON by treatment. so she kept seeing another and another until she found ones who were willing to accept that they are actually faced with that rare case that responds unaccepably to "conventional treatment" options.

it took 3 podiatrists to find one who would even admit that a fractured sesimoid COULD happen spontaneously and not from severe situational trauma.

this slave is allergic to aspirin...and responds in the opposite to the indications of most synthetic medications, especially synthetic estrogenic compounds and the Oxy's. the most intense novocaine the dentist could inject, which for everyone else makes the entire half of their face numb for four hours lasts a whole 20 minutes for this slave.

ultimately, the moron is the one who blindly follows ANY MD's advice.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/5/2010 3:03:37 PM

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Strang no poster mentions it. In any civilised country the is a government agency charged with issuing permits for medicin to be used. In my country laegemiddelstyrelsen, in USA the FDA. Al of those have a webpage where you can see the socalled "productresume" for any medicine. This is a very factual document listing eerything about the medicine including the normal side effects and druginteractions down to the extreme rare suspected one of maybe cases only one doctor has reported. If any doctor rescribe me a medicine i will check this productresume out. Sadly i have on more than one occasion had to go back to the doctor and ask him WTF he is prescribing the particular medicine for a desease or condition the manufacturer clearly states is has no effect on. The answers has often been one of annoyancy,only once has it been an apology. I don't trust them as far as i can trow them any more.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/5/2010 3:09:36 PM

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I am a huge fan of second opinions. This past year I had to have a procedure done and I researched it to death. I went to 4 different doctors to get what I needed and to find someone who could perform the procedure using the newest technique that I wanted and very few utilize.

I have gone through tons of doctors who lacked the essential capability to actually LISTEN to an educated patient. You have to be very vigilant about medications and surgeries or you get screwed.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/5/2010 4:04:13 PM

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quote:

his is a very factual document listing eerything about the medicine including the normal side effects and druginteractions down to the extreme rare suspected one of maybe cases only one doctor has reported.

I know what you're talking about. Here it's called the product monograph and they are available online.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/5/2010 4:24:03 PM

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I have an image of Smokey the bear standing forth and saying "Only YOU can prevent forest fires".

You as the consumer (patient) have the right for attention from your doctor - and if you don't get it, you have the right to grab him by the googlies and say "Hey, arsehole what about.....". Most doctors cruise along on cruisecontrol, until someone brings them up short, and makes them think. I have seen at least one apologise for his actions, and pay attention.

And for most people , the average doctor doesn't need to pay a whole lot of attention. Most doctor visits are fairly routine - unless of course, you are the one being looked at. But if you aren't getting what you want or need, then you are the one who needs to stand up and create havoc. No-one will do it for you.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/5/2010 6:11:08 PM

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I dunno. Since I've been an adult and living on my own I've always gone to the same docs because they are ones that I asked around, got advice and opinions, interviewed them and found if they were good docs or not.

I've lived where I am now for the past 11 years and he's someone that I would trust with my life. Even though I rarely have to go to him, my daughter sees him often but when I do have a problem he'll lecture me about not stopping in for checkups, asks me if I'm still taking whatever medicine I was on, how the past problem has been doing, will do bloodwork if need be and will discuss with me any medication he prescribes..bad and good effects and pushes me to ask questions. He's even been known to call me to check up and make sure things are going well.

As much as I hate going the to dr's I think it's up to us to take responsibility for our own health by doing our homework and finding someone you can trust and learn to know well and who has a great bedside manner.

I admit I will miss this dr when we move away from this area..one of the very few things around this area I will miss.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/5/2010 6:23:38 PM

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I had to try 5 or 6 statins until we found one that worked with no side effects.
Yes, the side effects are a bitch! On one I was out taking a walk and my hip started aching real bad and I just barely made it home.
And we finally found the one that worked and there's been no problems from a few years now.
As for Doctors I've always liked an Internist! Their "specialty" is the diagnosis! And if I can get a Jewish Internist great, they're the best! And they usually like my jokes!
I have one now Dr. Adler who I see when I can't get into the V.A. clinic right away, he calls me "Sheckie Green", and another at the V.A. who's from India and real sharp too, Dr Chengappa.
I've always had top grade treatment from the V.A. The only complaint is that you have to wait for appointments as they (are) understaffed.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/5/2010 8:01:53 PM

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BadOne,

I'm glad to hear you are feeling better. I would miss your caustic wit if you were suddenly gone.

beth's statement is so dead on. Don't BLINDLY follow your doctor. I've never understood why people don't ask questions about what their doctor tells them. I even have particular friends that I will take with me to important appointments in case my anxiety gets out of control or I'm going to receive any narcotics or anethesia. The friends who I know will ask the questions on my behalf.

Years ago, I went to the ER because I had broken my toe. For me a broken toe seems to occur almost as frequently as a broken nail, being so graceful and having impeccable vision and depth perception, lol. This time though the pain was shooting up the bottom of my foot. Anyway, x-rays are taken and in comes the doctor. He looks like he just came in from a three day bender of bar hopping. Holds the x-ray up, says "yep, it's broken" and starts walking out the door. Until I stopped him, told him I already KNEW it was broken, but there was the pain up the bottom of my foot. Sure enough, the break, being on my middle toe (that was an especially graceful event), had traveled a bit and that was causing the pain. Now of course from the moment I entered the ER, I was asked by every single person that I spoke to what I was allergic to. I repeated penicillin and codeine more times than I could count. The doctor leaves and in walks the nurse with a little cup containing two pills. "What are they?" I ask despite her dirty look at the question. "Tylenol 4" she responds as she pushes the cup my way. "I don't think so" I retort as I push the cup back at her and then go on to explain that I have told at least 6 people, including her that I'm allergic to codeine. "Well we don't have anything else here that we can give you" WTF? Then I guess you will have to write a prescription because I'm not taking it.

The next day I called the Head of the Emergency Department and told him what happened. I also told him that while I was very distressed over the behavior and the doctor, I was more concerned because so many people would have just taken what was handed to them thinking they had stated their allergies (several times) and the results could have been disasterous. He was very nice. He apologized, the doctor and the nurse were both reprimanded and sent for some kind of counseling. The big surprise? He wiped out the bill.

I recently changed primary doctors. I really like my new one. He will explain everything, answer all questions and the really important thing? When I ask him about something that he doesn't know because it isn't his area of expertise (such as my recent ankle surgery)? He admits that he doesn't know.

I think that far too many people think that because their doctor or lawyer or other professional supposedly spent tons of money on their education, they MUST know. They don't know everything, they will make mistakes, not typically intentional, but it happens.

Most don't like to be reminded that they technically are employed by their patients to provide a service, but really they are.

I own my own PDR and will always look up the drugs I'm taking (which these days are pretty plentiful). I also always use the same pharmacy except if I am coming from the ER and need to use the 24 hour CVS. So my pharmacist knows me, they go out of their way to be helpful when my insurance is being a pain in the ass (which is often) and will even let me know when my refills will require ordering and take more time so that I can plan accordingly.

Taking an active role in your own healthcare is simply common sense.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/6/2010 1:34:44 AM

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As you might guess I resist anything structured.

My current DR works well tho. His group is rigid- but he will hear me out before talking. He also will answer my questions.

My last DR was good- but I really got tired of the battery of tests every visit. We tho now have base line and I can access that later.

One thing to consider- in the early 80s the deregulation era- Reagan- that is when junk science took an acceleration.
..and from that era- I can say do your homework- .."trust, but verify". Especially now- with corporations having too much power and influence.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/6/2010 2:01:11 AM

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And thus the reason they call what doctors actually do "practice."

I have some sensitivities that I have to exaggerate into allergies (ie latex, Demerol) so that they don't use either on me. An infection or projectile vomiting just aren't things that they or I want to deal with. I have written such on my body for certain procedures so that it won't be forgotten. I also have a high tolerance to pain meds as I have to take Vicadin (sp? it's late and I don't feel like looking at the bottle) for cramps as 800 mg ibuprofen doesn't work and never did. So the shot they give you for dental work needs 3x the normal amount. The same was used for my lasic surgery in an insufficient amount and I had to be held down on the table while he cut the flap. However, as I am a sound sleeper, anything that they give me to create even a "twilight sleep" knocks me out to the point I have to be shaken extremely violently to even get me to respond to questions they need answered. (Gee, I really hope they got the right answers and not the drug induced I just want to go back to sleep answer.)

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/6/2010 5:03:29 AM

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Glad to hear your feeling better BadOne.
Its worth reading up on potassium levels now because you need to balance it out with magnesium.

I rarely go to the doctors. In the UK they make five minute appointments so if you have a double problem then your really in trouble!
A general practitioner over here is basically an ear, nose and throat doctor and has little experience with anything remotely unusual.
I had meningitis some years back and two different GP's on two different house calls missed it. One said it was a bug and the other asked my partner if I was stressed about anything! In the end my partner called the paramedics who spotted what it was in minutes.
Saying that, doctors save lives every day and are bound to make human error. Until we can put our finger into a machine that will immediately diagnose us, we have to have some trust in our GP

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/6/2010 5:36:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

As I was explaining to mom and her ER doc as I thought she was getting really lousy care during her 2nd visit to ER in a week. Doctors are not nearly as smart as you think at least in the US. And prolly more Important as Dad used to say "Doctors bury their mistakes". According to dad the killed his dad. They almost killed mom when they misdiagnosed her hernia when in actuality her heart was blocked 90 % It is your best interest to keep a sharp eye on your doc.

If I can prevent one misdiagnosed person It will have been worth it.

BadOne

Very well said

Aged 17 I had a night of agony behind me back home in Germany and did not manage to sleep at all really, as my ear area was painful like nuts and when I went to school the morning after that horrid night...I realised I was not able to use my headphones as that increased the pain even more...the side of that face got a little bit swollen and I did not stay long in school and went to one of my GPs (used 3 different GP's depending whom I was most likely willing to put up with at that moment).

However, all that bitch gave me was ear drops...I could not believe it...whilst I had my assumption that this was not the right stuff I wasn't sure what might be the right stuff...however, in the evening that same day I had enough and went to the other GP around the corner and what a surprise...he realised I had mumps!!!

Hence I had to stay at home instead of continuing school and he gave me some cream to apply to my face and gosh did that help wonders....phew...at least he got it....

Over here in 2007 I experienced more and more pain problems. Now...I as used to be in pain about 300 days a year and for me that was kinda normal...however at that time it got so bad that I could not sleep well anymore at night time as my whole body turned stiff and I was in agony when I woke up every 1-2 hours in immense pain and immense stiff....after struggles to finally manage to turn around then I already knew that the same is going to happen again in 1-2 hours on my other side...

at some point I reached my limit with it and went to the GP...blood tests were done and when I went there another time I had to put up with a fucking Locum Doctor...who decided just to put down my pain on my weight....yeah right....and because of that at times my arms hurt like mad...right

For him it was simply clear, your BMI is 30, so I can handily blame you in that respect...he prescribed me dicloflex...and that was it....after he pronounced that after all my bloodtests did show that I dont have arthritis....

right...a GP who puts you down for not being a size zero and not taking the symptoms serious....thank you soooooooooooo much

Luckily I moved soon later and so ended up at a different GP and at one day I thought...I give it one more go....I went there and...gosh....that guy (GP) is pretty much same age like me and damn good looking (italian or greek....i think he is greek)....he will just put it down on my weight as well and not take me serious...I explained him only a fraction from the symptoms I told the first GP and WOW...HE got it

Since then I got the right medication for fibromyalgia and am now able to sleep painfree about 6-8 hours a night...and I did not swallow those other meds which werent the right ones in the first place

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/6/2010 12:20:39 PM

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This is why the Patients Bill of Rights is so important. I work in the medical field and I see both sides of the issue.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:S.1890:

Sailingbum While I realize you know your body and are aware of your body I will say that it is never a good idea to readjust your medications without consulting with your physician. I also know that physicians can tend to be the biggest asshats in the history of the universe when it comes to their authority being questioned. However some drugs will have extremely adverse side affects if one is not weaned off of them slowly.

You, as a patient, have a right to be heard by your physician, and you have the right to change physicians if they aren't listening to you. They are human and for so long the public have treated them as the gods that they believed themselves to be as well.

As I often tell patients...ask questions until you understand exactly what the MD is saying and ask questions until they understand what you're saying as well. They work for you, not the damned insurance providers or pharmaceutical companies.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/6/2010 12:25:38 PM

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I have seen a loved one go through hell because Doctors couldn't diagnose her. The 9th Doctor was finally able to diagnose her properly.

I don't know how she stood it. Most said/thought it was in her head. It wasn't, it was a major cardiac problem. You name it she had it. It wasn't just one thing it was at least 4 things.

Unfortunately at one point she had had enough and passed away after many, many, many years of pain and discomfort.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/6/2010 12:47:55 PM

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Why have no dead man complimented their DR here?

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/6/2010 2:30:37 PM

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If your doctor is not working with you or lacks information it is time for a second opinion and searching for other sources of information, patient advocacy groups, etc.

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/6/2010 6:30:02 PM

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A question for Steven and Hunky, you say Lipitor fried your livers, were regular blood tests to assess liver function done? I ask this because it is the norm to do so.

I think that it was a blood test that showed the issue, but that was a few years back...

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RE: Who is the Moron here? - 1/6/2010 6:35:09 PM

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Everyone needs to have a good primary care physician. I do not take anything or do anything another doctor (specialist) has suggested without running it by him. Not only does he know my body, he understand *I* know how I will react to things, I have had this body for 56 years after all.

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