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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/5/2010 3:36:24 PM   
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The Icelandic president has vetoed the government plan to recompense the British and Dutch governments in relation to the bail out of savers in failed Icelandic banks, saying that it is for the people to decide!

Whoever heard of such ideas? The people having a say over what their country does? This is heresy, made worse only by the blasphemy involved in refusing to pay up when these are ultimately bank losses!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126269125264416275.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories

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It isn't so much that we're refusing to pay up. There was already a law passed last August that says that we do aknowledge the debts and that we have to pay them. However those laws from last August had a few notices, like that if we cannot pay for whatever reason the brits can't seize national treasures or resourses as payment. There were a couple of other notices as well, all put in place to protect the country in worst case scenario.

However the brits and the dutch didn't like those laws so they forced the icelandic government to get rid of the majority of those notices of the previous law. So now basically the country is bare and vulnerable to both britain and holland. The interest rate is so high that there is no way a country of 300.000 inhabitants can pay up.

So the veto isn't about us not paying at all, because the previous law is still there, and we will pay,  but it is a matter of having the terms fair and doable. It's also about us being able to have notices for our protection in case the economic crisis doesn't subside.

I think it is also important to veto the law because if the president had signed it there would be a precedent for other countries of basically saying that private bankers can do whatever the hell they want, anywhere in the world, their home country is always gonna pay the bill.



Sounds like the German people under the burden of reparations in 1930

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/5/2010 6:49:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

The Icelandic president has vetoed the government plan to recompense the British and Dutch governments in relation to the bail out of savers in failed Icelandic banks, saying that it is for the people to decide!

Whoever heard of such ideas? The people having a say over what their country does? This is heresy, made worse only by the blasphemy involved in refusing to pay up when these are ultimately bank losses!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126269125264416275.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories

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I think they did the right thing. Driving your country and your people into ruin to pay off foreign debts your banks accumulated is one of those deals the history books are full of and it never turns out well.

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/5/2010 8:06:29 PM   
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Indeed Viridana - the linked article includes all that bit, and its right that the Icelandic people should insist on such conditions - I think it was no repayments over 6% of GDP that caught my eye, and that seems sensible all round. There is no point in bankrupting the country, by which nothing is repaid.

On the other hand, these investors saw big returns and risked their money on them, (including many local and county councils, police and health authorities etc here), and lost. Why it should then be for the UK government (ie me) to reimburse these losses is hard enough to understand (though one way or another I would end up doing so), but quite why Iceland (ie its people) should have to reimburse the UK government is something else.

Lets be clear here - the losses reimbursed to investors here are miniscule compared to the capacity of the UK economy, but quite substantial sums to the capacity of the Icelandic economy. It is therefore, in my opinion, given the hardship the situation has already caused to the Icelandic people, quite unconscionable to insist on burdensome reparation in the way that the UK and Netherlands have insisted that will only result in further hardship, for a very long time indeed.

The solution is obvious of course - hang several thousand bankers worldwide and call it quits. Though for so much as breathing such blasphemy it should be me that is hanged.

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/5/2010 9:11:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
The solution is obvious of course - hang several thousand bankers worldwide and call it quits. Though for so much as breathing such blasphemy it should be me that is hanged.

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how much would the vital organs of those bankers fetch on the black market? a kidney has to be worth a few grand doesn't it?

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/5/2010 9:13:02 PM   
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I KNEW I wasn't the only one.
 
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National pasttime - Alcohol
 
Exports - Bjork.



What's a "Bjork?" Candy bar?



a bjork is a delightfully eccentric singer and composer of electronic music.

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/5/2010 9:19:28 PM   
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OMG! if they havent had the Bjork experience, you have to break them in gently! CAUTION - do not look up Bjork performances on the internet without prior counselling.

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/5/2010 9:34:08 PM   
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I think her most eccentric performances have been in airport terminals, going batso.
 
 
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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/5/2010 9:40:43 PM   
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Think of the lawsuits for psychological distress!

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/5/2010 9:54:44 PM   
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I think her most eccentric performances have been in airport terminals, going batso.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYyyqIZTvYY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no_G6Qyo04k

her aged 11 covering the beatles on her debut album trumps it for oddness

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/5/2010 10:57:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
refusing to pay up when these are ultimately bank losses!

Seems to me that the board of directors of the Icelandic bank are the debtors. So extradite them to the Brits and Dutch and tell them: "These are what you acquired with your money".

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/6/2010 12:54:38 AM   
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Well since when does one have to pay money gotten via fraud?

the system is fraudulent.

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/6/2010 1:02:27 PM   
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It's funny, when banks are making money they never want to share it with The People, but, ...when they're losing money they *always* want The People's money! Gee! Sound familiar to anyone?

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/6/2010 1:09:44 PM   
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It's funny, when banks are making money they never want to share it with The People, but, ...when they're losing money they *always* want The People's money! Gee! Sound familiar to anyone?



Just the banks Popeye?

Go on...




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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/6/2010 1:10:15 PM   
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The Packers are peaking at just the right time. If Philly manages to beat Dallas and Green Bay knocks off Arizona, the Eagles travel to Lambeau Field..

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/6/2010 1:12:05 PM   
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The Packers are peaking at just the right time. If Philly manages to beat Dallas and Green Bay knocks off Arizona, the Eagles travel to Lambeau Field..



the bank has a football team?

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RE: the Vikings are revolting - 1/6/2010 1:18:32 PM   
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Yes, and they wear ugly purple jerseys.

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