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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/6/2010 8:38:04 PM   
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Obama is admitting he and his people are just now beginning to learn the lessons of 9/11, that Dick Cheney learned ON 9/11.

Better late than never, but still...



Speaking of better late than never:

'Bin Laden Determined To Strike In U.S.

Everyone remembers that on Aug. 6, 2001, while President George W. Bush was clearing brush in Texas, he received an intelligence brief warning about Al Qaeda’s strategic intent to attack the U.S. homeland. After three years of denying this occurred, the 9/11 Commission’s Richard Ben Veniste treated us to this dramatic moment with Condoleezza Rice:
BEN-VENISTE: Isn’t it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB [President's Daily Brief]? RICE: I believe the title was, “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.”




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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 4:38:59 AM   
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Obama is admitting he and his people are just now beginning to learn the lessons of 9/11, that Dick Cheney learned ON 9/11.

Better late than never, but still...



Speaking of better late than never:

'Bin Laden Determined To Strike In U.S.

Everyone remembers that on Aug. 6, 2001, while President George W. Bush was clearing brush in Texas, he received an intelligence brief warning about Al Qaeda’s strategic intent to attack the U.S. homeland. After three years of denying this occurred, the 9/11 Commission’s Richard Ben Veniste treated us to this dramatic moment with Condoleezza Rice:
BEN-VENISTE: Isn’t it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB [President's Daily Brief]? RICE: I believe the title was, “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.”







Even better is this snippet:

RICE: So we were not presented -- I just want to be very clear on this, because it's been a source of controversy -- we were not presented with a plan.
KERREY: Well, that's not true. It is not...
RICE: We were not presented. We were presented with...
KERREY: I've heard you say that, Dr. Clarke, that 25 January, 2001, memo was declassified, I don't believe...
RICE: That January 25 memo has a series of actionable items having to do with Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance.


I'm sorry but isn't a "series of actionable items"  sorta the same thing as a plan??

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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 5:34:59 AM   
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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 6:41:10 AM   
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Do you even know what you're getting so hysterical about?

What information are you referring to taz. Calm down, we can't see whatever it is thats going through your head, so you need to spell it out for us.

Maybe provide us with some links, too. Something other than Michael Moore flicks or Kos, or whatever far left website you're using for your "news" sources these days.

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If it had not been Bushes friend, do you honestly believe he would have kept that information quiet? Your fantasy land is becoming more and more fantastic, and fanatical.


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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 6:44:34 AM   
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Do you have any idea how big the United States is?

What are you thinking, that maybe Bush should have had all the Arabic looking people that were here at the time rounded up and placed into concentration camps?

There wasn't anything specific that had reached the White House, and the 'actionable items" that you're referring to (for whatever unknowable reason) had to do with Afghanistan, and not the United States.

If there is anything logical about your post it isn't clear.


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Even better is this snippet:

RICE: So we were not presented -- I just want to be very clear on this, because it's been a source of controversy -- we were not presented with a plan.
KERREY: Well, that's not true. It is not...
RICE: We were not presented. We were presented with...
KERREY: I've heard you say that, Dr. Clarke, that 25 January, 2001, memo was declassified, I don't believe...
RICE: That January 25 memo has a series of actionable items having to do with Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance.


I'm sorry but isn't a "series of actionable items"  sorta the same thing as a plan??


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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 6:51:48 AM   
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Do you even know what you're getting so hysterical about?

What information are you referring to taz. Calm down, we can't see whatever it is thats going through your head, so you need to spell it out for us.

Maybe provide us with some links, too. Something other than Michael Moore flicks or Kos, or whatever far left website you're using for your "news" sources these days.

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If it had not been Bushes friend, do you honestly believe he would have kept that information quiet? Your fantasy land is becoming more and more fantastic, and fanatical.



Far Left? More mainstream than is comfortable for most. And no one is hysterical.. unless you include the hysterical laughter most find when reading your posts.


(AP / CBS)

Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal walks out of the West Wing after meeting with President Bush at the White House in Washington Tuesday, July 29, 2003. (AP)

(CBS/AP) President Bush refused on Tuesday to release a congressional report alleging possible links between Saudi Arabian officials and the Sept. 11 hijackers. The White House sought to question a Saudi citizen who befriended two of the hijackers.

Bush said he could not comply with a request by the Saudi foreign minister for a chance to clear the Arab kingdom's name because publication of the report could hurt U.S. intelligence operations.

The foreign minister, Saud al-Faisal, said he was disappointed but understood.

The information is widely believed to center on Saudi Arabia, birthplace of Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 hijackers. Saudi Arabia has vehemently denied supporting the hijackers.

Sources tell CBS the redacted section lays out a money trail between Saudi Arabia and supporters of al Qaeda, reports CBS White House Chief Correspondent John Roberts.

Among others, it singles out Omar al-Bayoumi, who gave financial assistance to 9-11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Midhar.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/30/world/main565782.shtml

This will do for starters. Im sure you can google just as well as i can.. or do you really want me pulling up the reports from 2008 concerning this mess as well.

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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 6:56:13 AM   
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You aren't making any sense taz.


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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 6:56:40 AM   
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Ah hell, why not... im in a generous mood.

The fact that a solid majority of the public was misinformed was not an accident. It was a result of a propaganda campaign deployed from the Bush White House:


■“We’ve learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September 11, Saddam Hussein’s regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America. Some citizens wonder, after 11 years of living with this problem, why do we need to confront it now? And there’s a reason.”
- Bush in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002 (It was this speech in which the CIA forced Bush to remove a claim that Saddam had tried to purchase Nigerian uranium. The claim was reinserted as the famous “16 words” in Bush’s State of the Union speech the following January. When Amb. Joe Wilson called Bush on this lie, Cheney conspired to reveal the secret identity of Wilson’s wife and thus betrayed a clandestine U.S. government operation that tracked the WMD black market. Cheney’s man Scooter Libby took the fall for this treasonous act, apparently on the assurance that he would be pardoned for the crime before Bush leaves office.)
■“But what I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Qaida terrorist network, a nexus that combines classic terrorist organizations and modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, an associated in collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaida lieutenants…” And… “We are not surprised that Iraq is harboring Zarqawi and his subordinates. This understanding builds on decades long experience with respect to ties between Iraq and Al Qaida…” And… “Some believe, some claim these contacts do not amount to much. They say Saddam Hussein’s secular tyranny and Al Qaida’s religious tyranny do not mix. I am not comforted by this thought. Ambition and hatred are enough to bring Iraq and Al Qaida together…”
- Former Sec. of State Colin Powell, in his presentation to the UN Feb. 5, 2003, the majority of which, including the connections between Iraq and al Qaeda, has been discredited
■“Before September 11, 2001, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents and lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons, and other plans – this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take just one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known.”
- Bush in his Jan. 28, 2003 State of the Union speech
■“And for America, there will be no going back to the era before September the 11th, 2001 — to false comfort in a dangerous world. We have learned that terrorist attacks are not caused by the use of strength; they are invited by the perception of weakness. And the surest way to avoid attacks on our own people is to engage the enemy where he lives and plans. We are fighting that enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan today so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in our own cities.”
- Bush in Sept. 7, 2003, address to the nation
■“If we’re successful in Iraq … we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11.”
- Cheney on Meet the Press, Sept. 14, 2003■“[Saddam Hussein posed a risk in] a region from which the 9/11 threat emerged.”
- National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice, Sept. 2003
■“[Saddam Hussein] had long established ties with al Qaeda.”
- Cheney, campaigning for reelection on June 14, 2004
■“The only way our enemies can succeed is if we forget the lessons of September the 11th, if we abandon the Iraqi people to men like Zarqawi, and if we yield the future of the Middle East to men like Bin Laden.”
- Bush, June 28, 2005
■“That’s right.”
– Dick Cheney, on “Meet the Press,” Sept. 10, 2006, when asked by Tim Russert, “Well, I asked you. I said, is there a connection between Saddam and 9/11 on September ‘03, and you said, we don’t know.”

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/01/16/bush-admits-majority-of-911-hijackers-were-saudis/



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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 6:59:35 AM   
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You aren't making any sense taz.



oooooooooooooo allow me then.

Bush and the King of Saudi are old friends... so the excuse goes as to why they were holding hands and french kissing.

9/11 goes boom... you remember... towers falling, people dying, the US public being told it was Iraq.

Information comes to light that it may not have been Iraq, and suddenly, in 2003, Bush doesnt want to talk about it, doesnt want to release information. Saudi officials want to clear it up with information they believe Bush has, and he says no.

2008, Bush finally admits to what everyone already knew.

That for 7 years, we as a nation were blatanltly lied too by our sitting President.

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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 7:02:13 AM   
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You're upset because various people in Saudi Arabia supported al-Qaeda?

And you're blaming that on Bush? You think he helped them finance al-Qaeda? Thats really crazy taz.

Bush was crucified for his efforts in the war on terror. He froze bank accounts, he had people secretly arrested...  most of you on the far left hated him because you claimed he went too far.

Now you're using these little blurbs to try to say he didn't do enough?

This is like the twilight zone...


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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 7:08:32 AM   
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Okay, there wasn't any french kissing, so you lie for whatever reason.

But then you seem to be saying that lying is bad...


But you still haven't pointed out what Bush supposedly "lied" about for seven years. You mentioned something that he kept classified for national security reasons, but this is the first time you've tried to stretch it to a "lie".

What was Bush's supposed lie taz?


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oooooooooooooo allow me then.

Bush and the King of Saudi are old friends... so the excuse goes as to why they were holding hands and french kissing.

9/11 goes boom... you remember... towers falling, people dying, the US public being told it was Iraq.

Information comes to light that it may not have been Iraq, and suddenly, in 2003, Bush doesnt want to talk about it, doesnt want to release information. Saudi officials want to clear it up with information they believe Bush has, and he says no.

2008, Bush finally admits to what everyone already knew.

That for 7 years, we as a nation were blatanltly lied too by our sitting President.


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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 7:10:02 AM   
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Like I said earlier, calm down, go slow, and spell it out for us. Because we can't read your mind. Okay?


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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 7:17:48 AM   
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And your "Pensito Review" link? Thats bullshit. Just a quick glance tells me that they're left of HuffPo and Kos. Do you have links to any real news websites? Or is all you have just this kind of garbage.


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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 8:04:33 AM   
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Do you have links to any real news websites?
You asking for valid links to back up what someone says?




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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 8:10:16 AM   
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One troll tries to attack me for linking to Associated Press articles, then another troll tries an attack using a baseless smear which suggests just the opposite...

What next?


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Do you have links to any real news websites?
You asking for valid links to back up what someone says?





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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 10:23:22 AM   
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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 10:34:52 AM   
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It was Brains idea, not mine. He started this topic, not me.



Aaaawww... you sound so pathetic there, I actually feel sorry for you.


It wasnt me either Miss...

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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 10:49:31 AM   
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Do you have any idea how big the United States is?



Do you have any idea how big the rest of the world is ? 

By your logic, Bush had far fewer airports to guard than Obama.

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RE: Olbermann Cheney is nothing more or less than a tra... - 1/7/2010 10:53:58 AM   
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