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lusciouslips19 -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:07:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel LuciousLips, i really don't give a fuck this is getting to the point next you will be bringing some really obsolete concept into it saying i am saying this and that. Seriously, i said what i said, you don't like it that os fine, i don't remember asking you to. Its a fucking discussion, i have my opinions and just like you and everyone else i am expressing them. You want to nitpick this to death have fun. OTHERS have gotten what i was saying, obviously you want me to say something i won't. So continue on, but i seriously have better things to do than listen to you nip and yap around my ankles. I stated what i did, you either agree or you don't. Sorry if you want me to CHANGE my mind on it, but i am not going to. Take it for what you will. Move on damn. My statement stands, INACTION LEADS TO INVALIDATION OF OPINIONS. I could honestly care less if someone is in the hospital or what, if they cannot or do not act upon their opinions and no one else does FOR them, their opinions DO IN FACT become invalid as the opposite of what they want happens. I am sorry you don't LIKE it, but ITS THE TRUTH. Damn girl, look at our own fucking government if you want an example. Yes MOST children regarding POLITICS AND GOVERNMENTAL CONCEPTS opinions ARE invalid. Its why they don't VOTE until they are 18. However, there are some children who have taken ACTION regarding their opinions with regard to tings in politics and laws and charities and government and people have taken NOTICE of their opinions because of same. YOu wnat me to admit some kumbahya concept that simply ISN'T true in the reality. I am not speaking of politically correctness, i am speaking of things that happen. You may want to keep your head in the sand and say everyone's opinion should be valid, to me, if someone doesn't care enough to act -- then there is a GREAT possibility their opinions will become white noise easily ignored. I am really sorry to burst your fantasy world of how our society really works. I never presumed you were that innocent, maybe you are and i am telling you there is no santa claus. [deleted]nm you wouldn't get it anyway. You are making this about crap i never even said - going so far into some specifics you are losing the concept all together. All because you want to take ONE statement and make it about every fucking thing in the world and every possible concept in the world. Again, go back and read my posts and YOU MIGHT if you read them see what i am saying. i am done with YOU on this thread. You can continue yapping if it makes you feel better but do me a favor at least keep it to what i was saying instead of trying to put words in my mouth. angel Feel free to hide all us rediculous people who think you're full of bull. Be done with us. Block or hide. Have high falootin lectures with yourself.

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:11:51 AM)
LadyEllen: You crack me up! :) thornhappy: Thanks for the link - good article! When I said convenience before, I pretty much meant the time, effort, and money needed to do Israeli-style security just wouldn't fly here. They tell you to arrive 2hrs before your flight as it is. If every passenger were interviewed for 10 minutes you would probably have to arrive 2 DAYS before your flight! And the airposrts would have to be vastly larger than they are now. And we would probably have to cut back the number of flights. And how many more security agents did that article say we would need? Sounds nice but I don't see it ever happening here. What if, instead of the Feds doing all the work, we let the market do its thing? Leave security up to the airlines (private companies) and let them do as they please. You would know before booking your flight exactly what each airline would require and what sort of safety record they had. You could then select based on your level of comfort. If the cavity search at Ultra-Secure Airways isn't your thing, then fly with We Don't C'air. Could I open No Foreigners Airlines and only book real, red-blooded 'mericans? How about a Muslim-only carrier? Maybe call it Turbinaire and only allow people wearing turbins or burqahs. One thing I would like to see: the same security procedures followed at every airport. Seems to me that the way you catch the bad guys is to be consistent in your approach. On a flight from Chicago to Ft Lauderdale and back I encountered vastly different procedures at the 2 airports. ~Dave

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:12:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel actually not really kittinsol, i think my points are valid. But your friends keep adding to it so it is fair to say ALL of us derailed it not only me. BUt that would mean you would expect them to take responsibility for themselves. People make choices when they post and if they post towards a post YOU think is meant to derail they are in fact derailing the thread also. Logic does suck sometimes doesn't it. But i guess it makes you feel better to blame only me. angel Like you have ever taken responsibility for your Bull. Ill be the first to say, I participated in the derail. You started up on Kitten, just cause you like instigating B.S. We chose to tell you youre full of it. The end.

barelynangel -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:19:19 AM)
Yeah actually i do lol. Have i side tracked dealing with the bullshit of domiguy and my name and heartcream and my name and you and your petty bs of double standards. Yes i have. I never stated otherwise, but i wont let the bypass of bullshit of you and others are doing and pretend its ALL ME because you all want your say and pretend its my fault, especially when you came in this thread simply for the double standard bullshit spouting. Its about airport security -- TO ME -- its very important for people to TAKE ACTION with regard to same BEFORE the scanners are installed if that is what they diagree with. Its a TIME-SENSITIVE ISSUE. WHETHER OR NOT, you all agree its a VALID TO THE TOPIC, it doesn't matter now does it. I believe it was. The difference between you and i and others, is i don't need validation for my opinions, i state what i feel is valid because to me it is. period. I didn't know i had to run my post past someone to make sure they believe its VALID to the topic. Wasn't it you Lusciouslips who is spouting about opinions being valid -- but i guess its only opinions YOU feel are otherwise you feel justified in shaking your finger at ones you don't. So which is it, you either believe in what you mean (i.e., all opinions are valid no matter what) or you don't. If you don't then you believe more like me than you think. If you do, then what the fuck are you bitching constantly at me for, damn. angel

kittinSol -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:23:59 AM)
You are confusing a meltdown with righteous anger. The people who are having a meltdown are those that are falling prey to the collective paranoia and whining that they want the scanner, just because... well, just because they're told they should. Get your vocab' right.

sirsholly -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:27:26 AM)
quote: I understand this Holly,but I still cant shake the thought that its not more security thats needed, its enforcing ones that are there. It also seems that its not tighter security on us but making sure agencies are working together that hasnt been corrected. When your right hand doesnt know what the left ones doing, thats a major problem that no amount of scanning will repair. Its the agencies themselves that should be held accountable. i can't dispute this at all, Lushy. The agencies need to get it together. What i have an issue with is the "invasion of privacy". I can recall flying right after the shoe bomber tried to ignite his feet and listening to my fellow passengers bitch about privacy because they had to scan their shoes. No matter what, someone is always going to pitch a bitch. My point, if they want to do a full body scan to ensure the safety of my family and the other passengers, do it. I will not say a word. My "privacy" takes a backseat to the safety of others.

AlwaysLisa -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:29:47 AM)
There will always be a better mousetrap. Just watch how they smuggle drugs into the country. Inside the bellies of people, animals and cleverly hidden in dog kennels (which are not scanned). Xrays won't show stomach contents. I fly with dogs continually and have often wondered why no one checks the carrier. I'm not a terrorist, lol, but it would be a whole lot easier to bring down a plane from the cargo hold with no one watching. Give it time, those high priced scanners will be a thing of the past. We are fooling ourselves. Just what is considered a "safe" dose of radiation? When the doctors stop hiding behind cinder block walls with lead sheilds while performing Xrays, then I might consider radiation to be "safe". Privacy is not my concern, heck, walk down any beach and you can get an eyefull of flesh. I don't like the idea of someone else telling me having a full body scan is "safe", when just taking a picture of boobs or your teeth still has the technicians running for cover. Lisa

kittinSol -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:29:49 AM)
Did you read up on the subject, Holly? These things don't make anything safer. They're making some people richer, though. When people start sticking bombs up their rectums to evade the scans, as they already have started to do, will you happily bend over and let the security people probe you up there? Sorry if I'm being crude, but that's what it will come to.

barelynangel -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:31:47 AM)
kittinsol, laughs, actually okay i agree. But righteous anger when combined with insults and bitching as you did before i even posted won't get you far, if you do take action as you said, you know that shit simply turns people off especially if they disagree with you. Hence your righteous anger to me when i read it appeared to be a melt down. But i do know about righteous anger but i think we both know since we both tend to take action per our respective comments, insults and such don't make people agree MORE with you but instead make people become more steadfast in their beliefs. I think the scanners are a good bad idea, i fully believe we should be looking at the present system which i have said before, i believe the people need to be paid more and have more training as well as the personnel thoroughly vetted. I also believe which is why i said what i said that the government is simply doing this becuase it will passify many, and those who don't want it will get looked over because its easy to dismiss righteous anger with no action. THAT is what my comments were. I actually WAS trying to help your position. As i said, i LOVE action and such when people are righteously angry -- EVEN if i don't agree ith them. MOST average people have no clue what's wrong or right and many could care less about what's going on, but insulting people because they don't agree with you, is political change death as you probably well know. The problem i also see, as soon as these scanners are installed people with anger like yours are fucked -- why, because i don't believe once installed they will be removed. ANd it will be even harder to get them to stop being used because they will say they need to pay for themselves. angel

kittinSol -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:36:47 AM)
You really think it's all about you, don't you [8\|] ? This isn't about you; it's about an entirely different subject altogether. If you'd like a thread to be all about you, go and create one: like that you'll be able to rant and rave all you like without risking derailment :-) . Now that's a novel idea!

barelynangel -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:37:02 AM)
The other problem i see is that i don't think ANYONE knows what will make everyone safer, To me safer on individual level such as scanning every person is a illusion more than anything. I think we need to define safer, people still die more on the roads due to reckless drivers breaking laws than they ever will in planes. angel

barelynangel -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:41:13 AM)
kittinsol, you really need to make up your mind, you bitch when you say i derail and then you bitch when i post on the topic. Fuck girl make up your mind. Hell i am almost tempted to start taking actions for the damn scanners just to piss you off lol. Childish i am sure but hell why not lol.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:49:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: I understand this Holly,but I still cant shake the thought that its not more security thats needed, its enforcing ones that are there. It also seems that its not tighter security on us but making sure agencies are working together that hasnt been corrected. When your right hand doesnt know what the left ones doing, thats a major problem that no amount of scanning will repair. Its the agencies themselves that should be held accountable. i can't dispute this at all, Lushy. The agencies need to get it together. What i have an issue with is the "invasion of privacy". I can recall flying right after the shoe bomber tried to ignite his feet and listening to my fellow passengers bitch about privacy because they had to scan their shoes. No matter what, someone is always going to pitch a bitch. My point, if they want to do a full body scan to ensure the safety of my family and the other passengers, do it. I will not say a word. My "privacy" takes a backseat to the safety of others. I just dont like the idea of them having to scan me and they get to see my bloody tampon all because the beauracrats werent doing their job. So security becomes tighter, but its only as good as the ones enforcing it. I dont see how adding more measures is going to ensure my safety, when they are not changing the way they are handling things. They enforced these rules after 9/11. That should have been enough, but it wasnt. Not because of what they now do to me, but because they are not doing their job and the system hasnt changed.

sirsholly -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 10:57:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Did you read up on the subject, Holly? These things don't make anything safer. They're making some people richer, though. When people start sticking bombs up their rectums to evade the scans, as they already have started to do, will you happily bend over and let the security people probe you up there? Sorry if I'm being crude, but that's what it will come to. i did read about it Kittin...and i stand by my statement. If it is mandatory to submit to a cavity search, i will not fly. If they want to do a scan, fine. Personal privacy is secondary to safety.

sirsholly -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 11:00:05 AM)
quote: I just dont like the idea of them having to scan me and they get to see my bloody tampon all because the beauracrats werent doing their job i do not see it that way. If they want to scan me and everyone else to ensure that we all get there alive, do it.

kittinSol -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 11:23:03 AM)
Like lambs to the slaughter...

kittinSol -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 11:24:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Fuck girl make up your mind. Don't call me 'girl', and I will try and refrain from calling you 'barely'. You are not on Gor. As for this... quote: Hell i am almost tempted to start taking actions for the damn scanners just to piss you off lol. Childish i am sure but hell why not lol. It's not only childish; it's puerile. If you think that your personal actions have any repercussions upon my life, you're seriously delusional. You don't even register on my personal radar until you start addressing me (which is more frequently than I wish it to be).

thornhappy -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 11:31:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa When the doctors stop hiding behind cinder block walls with lead sheilds while performing Xrays, then I might consider radiation to be "safe". Lisa They are shielded because they run these tests over and over, all day long. We only get them "onesie-twosie".

kittinSol -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 11:43:54 AM)
Well, I'm glad to see that a lawsuit has already been filed. http://epic.org/foia/DOJ_USMS_Complaint.pdf Full-body scanners: the good, the bad, the ugly. A pretty balanced article.

heartcream -> RE: Airport Security (1/10/2010 12:20:23 PM)
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