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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 10:16:37 AM   
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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 10:18:25 AM   
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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 10:23:20 AM   
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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 10:26:05 AM   
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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 10:30:18 AM   
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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 10:35:11 AM   
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To be honest, I don't mind scammers. In fact, I LOVE 'em! I'm currently being 'wooed' by a rather cute little boy who reckons he's a 22 year old gay male sub who wants to be my Master *insert eye roll here*. Sadly his grandmother has cancer and needs urgent hospital treatment...let's see how long I can string the jerk along :D

Actually I'm getting really good at this - last week I had a guy from the US (although his ISP was in Ghana...what a surprise!) who wanted us to be together even though we'd never met and he'd never read my profile. Well, I agreed...and by the end I'd got HIM to agree to pay MY airfare to the US! I think he was keen because I was going to have to carry the holdall full of money I'd just been left by my dead grandfather which I was trying to get out of the country to avoid taxes....

Hours of fun!!

If anyone has a scammer they'd like scammed, punt 'em in my direction...

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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 10:42:38 AM   
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For all intents and purposes this is an OP which could have been written by a 4 year old.

Those nasty savages in Bongo Bongo Land have got access to computers and the Internet and are trying to make contact with me. I keep running to the site here to tell on them but nothing is being done. They are telling lies.

What can be done? (Any solution so long as it doesn't involve me having to use my own mind or exercise personal responsibility).

As a result I feel all Nigerians are scammers.

Oh FFS. Yeah right, there's scammers. You know there's been scammers in Africa ever since the 1980's long before the Internet.

Any chance of people growing the fuck up and getting over themselves?

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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 10:45:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: myotherself

-fr-

To be honest, I don't mind scammers. In fact, I LOVE 'em! I'm currently being 'wooed' by a rather cute little boy who reckons he's a 22 year old gay male sub who wants to be my Master *insert eye roll here*. Sadly his grandmother has cancer and needs urgent hospital treatment...let's see how long I can string the jerk along :D

Actually I'm getting really good at this - last week I had a guy from the US (although his ISP was in Ghana...what a surprise!) who wanted us to be together even though we'd never met and he'd never read my profile. Well, I agreed...and by the end I'd got HIM to agree to pay MY airfare to the US! I think he was keen because I was going to have to carry the holdall full of money I'd just been left by my dead grandfather which I was trying to get out of the country to avoid taxes....

Hours of fun!!

If anyone has a scammer they'd like scammed, punt 'em in my direction...



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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 10:49:45 AM   
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I often run into profiles which refer to outside email addresses. Being internet-savvy I'm able in the course of the dialogue to tell if the person on the other end sits say in Nigeria, not in USA or UK or wherever.

When I subsequently report the collarme profile, nothing happens. I assume this is because the system is automatied and most other users on here do not have the skill / motivation to figure out if the other person lies about their location / intention.

Can anything be done?

For example the collarme profile atmashere refers to an email address which is operated from a user in Nigeria.

Isn't it safe to assume that anyone in Nigeria is a scammer?

Thoughts and opinions are welcome.

Jack


Run!!!! Run as fast as you can. Delete your profile, turn off your computer, unplug it from the wall. Toss it in the river!!!!!

The spammers have now invaded it and there is nothing to do but destroy it and them! Never get near an internet connection again........otherwise your tits will shrivel, your dick will explode (and not in a good way), your brain will atrophy, your bank account will follow your tits, and you will spend the rest of your life wandering the streets of some large city, whimpering and moaning incoherently.



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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 10:59:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

When it comes to how "honest" or "genuine" people are, yes some are out and out liars and wankers. More often than not though, people are being labeled as "fake" because they didn't respond in the manner that someone thought they should. It is not your place, or mine to make that determination.

I would say that I'm sorry you are so truly bothered by this. But in my HONEST and GENUINE feeling is that I really don't sympathize with you at all.

You came here and essentially called people ignorant and lazy by saying we likely don't have the skill/motivation to do anything. In my opinion, you are getting bothered by something you are probably causing yourself and I just can't bring myself to feel anything about your issue other than humor. If you want a website that is so much better, and you are so much more capable, go start your own website and run it as you see fit. Around here, we have enough whiny doms and don't need any more.


I agree with you, sometimes people can hold a grudge for no good reason. Like it could be possible for a sub guy to report a Domme who has rejected his advances. If enough people do that, it could have a detrimental effect. And already in the existing system. Even more reason to try to improve upon it, wouldn't you think?

I do appreciate that you perhaps consider that I have an entirely selfish motive in here, but this is not the case. I can trip them up easily enough, but I think they should have been thwarted by the system to begin with. So being part of the community is a better experience for everyone.

While you think I might belittle others, I am actually quite realistic about that most people don't have the networking knowledge or infrastructure and therefore would have a much harder time to trip up a dishonest person. It doesn't have to be a scammer per se, do you think for example it is right that someone say in the Philippines can pretend to be located in New York? I earn my living on the 'net, therefore I'm a specialist and I'd not call people who don't share my skill set ignorant. Nor do I call anyone who proposes report block delete to be lazy, but fatalistic perhaps.

A fatalism which in my opinion is not needed at all! Because the situation can be improved upon. Why settle for "good enough we learnt to live with" if real improvements could be made?

In regards to starting an own website. It's a very good point one I have considered at length myself because it's not that difficult technically. The problem however is to get the traction and the brand. Collarme has a great brand and lots of momentum. Why reinvent the wheel when an already existing system can be made better?

Jack.



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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 11:09:26 AM   
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As a web professional, perhaps you can offer your services (gratis?) to the owners to make improvements.
[..]
Yes, but also resources are needed to do that.  You could be the answer.


From what I can tell, collarme runs on classic ASP (server side VBScript) on an IIS 6 server, which I had the misfortune to have to write scripts in for many years now. (still better than serverside JScript, which is even worse) Both IP2Location as well as maxmind's GEOIP offer free databases and provide ASP code how to implement them. The size of either of them in an SQL server database should not exceed a few dozen MBs. Then all you need to do is to expand the user database to contain the IP address the user last accessed on, run the IP to location routine against it and then you can display for example that the user was last logged in from Shreveport, LA, USA. Or perhaps even coarser. As this information is already available to anyone who uses an IRC client for collarchat or the b.com chat, it's really just a policy decision.

Resources for this particular implementation are minimal. 5 minutes a month to download the latest free version of the DB. More 5 to import it into the DB. Development time for the functionality ... probably half a day, including testing.

This would be one possible improvement. Of course the devil sits in the details. I've encountered websites where the people who owned it didn't actually own the source code because they were careless in the way they had hired the original developers.

Jack



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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 11:13:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I also have fun with the scammers.  Especially the 60lb ones.  (Doncha love they forgetted kilos vs lbs?)   I tell them they need to get over their bulimia and gain some weight first.  Then I tell them I'll meet them at the customs area to verify their ID.  I usually say I'm a customs agent or Border Patrol.  Depends on my mood.

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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 11:15:08 AM   
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Those nasty savages in Bongo Bongo Land have got access to computers and the Internet and are trying to make contact with me. I keep running to the site here to tell on them but nothing is being done. They are telling lies.

What can be done? (Any solution so long as it doesn't involve me having to use my own mind or exercise personal responsibility).

As a result I feel all Nigerians are scammers.

Oh FFS. Yeah right, there's scammers. You know there's been scammers in Africa ever since the 1980's long before the Internet.

Any chance of people growing the fuck up and getting over themselves?


Actually Stella, it's more like:

Those nasty savages in Bongo Bongo Land have got access to computers and the Internet and are pretending to be from somewhere else. How about if we use method X to display where people actually logged in from, therefore making it harder for those nasties to get away with lying. Also we could try to get the community more involved in policing and have people who know each other indicate so so we can build a trust-network.

And what would actually wrong be with this, Stella?

Jack

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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 11:50:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JackandSophia

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

Those nasty savages in Bongo Bongo Land have got access to computers and the Internet and are trying to make contact with me. I keep running to the site here to tell on them but nothing is being done. They are telling lies.

What can be done? (Any solution so long as it doesn't involve me having to use my own mind or exercise personal responsibility).

As a result I feel all Nigerians are scammers.

Oh FFS. Yeah right, there's scammers. You know there's been scammers in Africa ever since the 1980's long before the Internet.

Any chance of people growing the fuck up and getting over themselves?


Actually Stella, it's more like:

Those nasty savages in Bongo Bongo Land have got access to computers and the Internet and are pretending to be from somewhere else. How about if we use method X to display where people actually logged in from, therefore making it harder for those nasties to get away with lying. Also we could try to get the community more involved in policing and have people who know each other indicate so so we can build a trust-network.

And what would actually wrong be with this, Stella?

Jack



As you are in the UK perhaps you would be better off using something like informedconsent where they do have a network system of people who know each other. You add people that you know. Of course the system is only as good as the people that use it. I know of someone on there that has a network of over 200 people and has only really met 3 of them.

I really don't get that it is such a huge problem on here. As I said Master gets maybe one or two scam type emails in a week if that and I have had one in the last 6 months.

If you really want to change things offer your services to CM

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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 11:58:52 AM   
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As you are in the UK perhaps you would be better off using something like informedconsent where they do have a network system of people who know each other. You add people that you know. Of course the system is only as good as the people that use it. I know of someone on there that has a network of over 200 people and has only really met 3 of them.

I really don't get that it is such a huge problem on here. As I said Master gets maybe one or two scam type emails in a week if that and I have had one in the last 6 months.

If you really want to change things offer your services to CM



Hi Susie!

Actually we're on IC as well and I personally use it daily. But collarme can not be ignored, for many UK people it's the first point of call. I agree on the fallability of systems, even more reason to try to improve them as much as possible as often as possible.

I actually do think it's a big problem for collarme. CM is synonymous with being largely and negatively affected by dishonest folk.

For now I'll raise my voice in support of change and provide ideas. I don't think that the people who run the website would trust/listen to a nobody. I think that only after a period of meaningfully contributing could any such attempt have a chance of success.

Jack

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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 12:07:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JackandSophia

A fatalism which in my opinion is not needed at all! Because the situation can be improved upon. Why settle for "good enough we learnt to live with" if real improvements could be made?



Because it still isn't that much trouble to just hit block and delete. I have never received a scam email. I have received my share of unwanted emails and they are dealt with.

It isn't about re-inventing the wheel. Honestly, I see your comments as you having some kind of "White Knight" syndrome wanting to come in and "fix" something that the majority of people don't see as that big of a problem.

It never occurs to you that someone may say they are from New York City, but their ISP when you are talking with them is from....say....Austria because they are at that time traveling for business, but their base is somewhere else. So the business person sitting alone in a hotel room somewhere would be denied creating a profile until they could do it from where they actually call "home base."

The bottom line is that, as I said, it isn't the "scammers" that are bothering you, it is those who are being dishonest about their location. If they are not being honest, someone with half a brain should be able to figure out pretty quickly during conversation. Some people, like you apparently, just want their search to be easier. Life ain't easy. You are a grown man, so suck it up and deal with it. If you don't have the "time" to sort through those emails, I daresay that you don't have the time to devote to taking on another sub anyway. Because even IF all these changes that you think are so imperative and would be so wonderful were made, you would still find yourself having to sort through those that were not compatible with you.

Everything doesn't need to be "fixed." Perhaps you should keep your control issues restrained to your personal relationships. Three pages of responses here have told you that people don't feel the same way as you. If you did a search you would find thousands of pages of people who don't agree with you. So why do you believe that your ideas are so important that the majority of the people here should agree with you and work towards making such changes? The majority of the people aren't bothered by it. We are talking about a free website, not a cure for cancer or equal rights. You can accept that there will always be somethings about a site like this that you don't like, but enjoy the "brand" you keep saying you like or you can go to another site, pay the fees and see if you like it there better, or you can start your own website. Building a brand takes time and energy, something you obviously would rather expend complaining about an existing site.

Personally, I think it has reached a point where the moderators should create a special message board for people to post all their complaints about scams and fakes so the rest of us don't need to be bothered by hearing about it day after day. In my opinion, that would be the simplest most effective way to deal with the posts that lately seem to be made nearly every day.

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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 12:10:12 PM   
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RE: Scammers - 1/8/2010 12:18:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JackandSophia

Many people suggest to just report, block, delete.

That's essentially giving up on the problem. To throw up your hands and say "nothing can be done!".

The flaw in this argument is to believe it's a problem for everyone else just because it's a problem for you.

Being a controlling type, one thing I do NOT do is lose sleep over things I can't control. Whether I can or can't control unsolicited email is moot simply because my solution (delete button) is exponentially simpler than chasing after site owners and writing pages of complaints.

I also get annoyed at flies and skeeters bothering me outdoors but I ain't locking myself in a lab trying to concoct the magic spray that extincts them, either. Am I guilty of giving up here, too, just because I've got better things to do than dwell on something that really isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of living my own life?

Focus.

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