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beowulf1234 -> Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 8:57:26 AM)

After reading responses to my own posts and of others. It seems that Female Masters have different views on there slaves and how they are treated. Some do not believe in Female Superiority. Some believe that we slaves have rights. Others believe some Mistresses exploit their slaves.
I know in the course of my training my focal point was the happiness and wellbeing of my owner. Whether or not I was the Alpha or not, didn't matter. Whatever Mistress commanded, she was to be obeyed. If I were to be beaten for her pleasure, I take it. Eat out of dog dish at her feet is what she wants, absolutely I do it. To be emasculated, humiliated, and used to enhance her life, yes! Isn't that what being a slave is? Total TPE, consensually. It wasn't pleasant being whipped or beaten, but if it turns her on, makes her happy. It is my will to make her happy! Kneeling down in a crouded casino and pay her homage. If that is what she wants, she gets it. The people in the casino, nor the patrons will fulfill me or feed my need as a slave. So what why would I care. Do I have the right mindset, I would like to know.
Thank You



Venatrix -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 9:08:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: beowulf1234

The people in the casino, nor the patrons will fulfill me or feed my need as a slave. So what why would I care.


So, because the rest of the planet won't feed your needs as a slave that gives you the right to be inconsiderate and inflict your kink on them without their consent?  You don't need to work on training as a slave, you need to work on training as a human being.



sirsholly -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 9:11:51 AM)

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Kneeling down in a crouded casino and pay her homage. If that is what she wants, she gets it. The people in the casino, nor the patrons will fulfill me or feed my need as a slave. So what why would I care. Do I have the right mindset, I would like to know.
Thank You
i would have an issue with this. You are imposing your kink onto others. I am against public displays, as i feel none of us have a right to make others needlessly uncomfortable.



Lockit -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 9:12:43 AM)

For some it might be the right attitude... until you are unhappy with it... then you get this other attitude.

Paying homage in public... a non kinky public place? That doesn't seem right to include others in getting your kinky devotion on.



MarcEsadrian -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 9:14:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: beowulf1234
It is my will to make her happy! Kneeling down in a crouded casino and pay her homage. If that is what she wants, she gets it. The people in the casino, nor the patrons will fulfill me or feed my need as a slave. So what why would I care.


Kneeling is beautiful, no matter where you are, and while I admire your spirit, I take a slight issue with the "so what, why should I care" attitude about what you do in public. I'm not entirely sure if you meant it to come across as flippant and self-centered, but it could be construed that way. Needless to say, it's worth adding a cautionary note with regards to taking the dynamic to the public venue. To a degree, worshipful acts are harmless and will be regarded as a novelty of sorts by most passersby, but the attitude of so what, who cares can be taken a little too far. There is no universal principle to follow, other than to consider the people you're among and to what degree your behavior will intrude upon their experiences. A little bit of taste, respect and empathy goes a long way.



CarrieO -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 9:29:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: beowulf1234

After reading responses to my own posts and of others. It seems that Female Masters have different views on there slaves and how they are treated. Some do not believe in Female Superiority. Some believe that we slaves have rights. Others believe some Mistresses exploit their slaves.

I'm not a Female Master/Mistress, just me.  I will offer my opinion, though.

I know in the course of my training my focal point was the happiness and wellbeing of my owner.

Nothing wrong with this, imo.

Whether or not I was the Alpha or not, didn't matter. Whatever Mistress commanded, she was to be obeyed. If I were to be beaten for her pleasure, I take it. Eat out of dog dish at her feet is what she wants, absolutely I do it. To be emasculated, humiliated, and used to enhance her life, yes! Isn't that what being a slave is?

If these are things that you and she agreed upon from the start, if you both agreed this is what the definition of being a slave is for you within your relationship....yes.  This isn't the same for everyone but if it's what you agreed to then there you have it...in my opinion, of course.

Total TPE, consensually. It wasn't pleasant being whipped or beaten, but if it turns her on, makes her happy. It is my will to make her happy!

As I said above...if you BOTH agreed upon these dynamics, fine.  If she starts whipping out the baseball bat and wailing on you without a care, I'd wonder about the sainty and common sense...or lack thereof.

Kneeling down in a crouded casino and pay her homage. If that is what she wants, she gets it. The people in the casino, nor the patrons will fulfill me or feed my need as a slave. So what why would I care. Do I have the right mindset, I would like to know.

You don't have the "right" to force your kink on strangers.  This has been discussed here in the past and although there isn't going to be a single consensus, imo to act in a manner, in public, that could be seen as indecent or fall under the legal description of obscenity means you and your partner are aware of the risks involved.  I'll assume there will be no shock on your part if the police should chose to intervine.  There's something to be said for creative subtlety.
 
There seems to be this belief that once bdsm or D/s comes into the picture, common sense flies out the window.  If you can live your life...kinky or otherwise...and still remember to hit the start button on your internal common sense control, then live and let live I say.

Thank You



beowulf1234 -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 9:51:28 AM)

I don't mind the criticism. But I am doing what I am suppose to do. Obey! My attitude is kept to myself, but I do not care what people think outside of my owner. As long as there is no exposure to kids. Yes I am human, but let's face it the slaves of yester year didn't have a choice with their Masters. But this is consensual and I consent to Obey, no questions asked. Otherwise It sends a message to my owner, that I don't trust Her.



chamberqueen -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 9:55:54 AM)

beowulf, I haven't posted in many months but your topic got me back.  : ) 

You are correct - slaves are not created equal.  However, the tone of your writing seems to imply that you feel that you are somehow better than other slaves, the shining example.  It sounds like you are looking for justification for your mindset.

You spoke of being the Alpha (or not) which implies that you have spent some time in some sort of poly relationship.  When such is the case there are always willing to give more than others.  However, your Mistress chose each one for a reason.  While you might be willing to give your all, and she no doubt appreciates this in you, it does not mean that your way is the only way.  Someone else could possibly be giving everything they have to give but just not be able to reach your same standards. 

You asked whether you have the right mindset.  I'm going to give that a qualified yes.  Yes, I believe that a slave should put their Owner's pleasure before their own - consistently.  The qualifier on this is that while you have the right to be proud of your actions on her behalf it looks like you need to be careful not to become judgmental of others.  That is between them and their Owner, whether they share the same Owner as you or not.  I have lived through this myself, and have sat back and shaken my head at shows of selfishness from those who consider themselves to be slaves and who I felt were serving their own needs more than their Master's.  The truth generally comes to light, and whatever position you currently hold in your family you can use it to help to gently guide someone towards better service but not if they feel that you are lording your own maturity over them.  Be careful not to fall into the trap of feeling that your way is the only right way.  That is for your Mistress to decide.







Lockit -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 9:56:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: beowulf1234

I don't mind the criticism. But I am doing what I am suppose to do. Obey! My attitude is kept to myself, but I do not care what people think outside of my owner. As long as there is no exposure to kids. Yes I am human, but let's face it the slaves of yester year didn't have a choice with their Masters. But this is consensual and I consent to Obey, no questions asked. Otherwise It sends a message to my owner, that I don't trust Her.


Your attitude being kept to yourself is what could bring along that other attitude you seem to have when questioning things or ending the relationship or wherever you find it coming out in a negative. If you are being ordered to do something and it is your place to obey... and you get an attitude... that attitude is going to show in some way unless you are totally controlling yourself... of course... until the moment you are not willing to totally control yourself and you vent.

I don't call that obediance that I would want. I don't want harbored attitudes.

I do hope you are seeing what I am saying here and maybe you can review how that goes with you.



LillyoftheVally -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 10:06:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: beowulf1234

Otherwise It sends a message to my owner, that I don't trust Her.


No it doesn't. If your owner is asking you to do something that breaks your personal morals, that you perceive is wrong then why can't you say so? Being dominant does not mean infallible, being dominant doesn't mean being perfect, they make mistakes they fuck up because at the end of the day they are human, most things are fine you can let them slide bring it up to them later if it is causing you problems but if what you have been asked to do is something you believe is harmful then surely it is your job to bring that up? I would never blindly follow, I am not that type of person and if I believed my actions were having a negative impact on other people then I would feel guilty for ages.



Lockit -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 10:22:36 AM)

Lillyofthevalley, has brought up a few great points and I hope you will consider them for a few reasons, that I won't be talking about here. The one I will bring up is... when you believe that someone is superior and you obey and yet have issue with it that would cause some attitude that you will later on question, be mad about or feel was wrong... you are not allowing for your living true to yourself. You are neglecting your wisdom, growth, knowledge and placing it all aside for the wisdom, growth and knowledge this other person may or may not have.

It is a romantic idea that one would think so highly of someone else, that they would go by everything that person says, but it is just romantic and harder to actually live. As you well know, thus whatever attitude you might have had in the past. You as a person cannot be negated for someone else. If you do this, it leads to trouble in the long run.

You are a viable person with many things to offer someone else in every sense, including your submission, but if you are not allowed to be who you are, what worth is a relationship like that to you or another?



Tantriqu -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 10:54:55 AM)

I enjoy it when a pup kneels in public; when he's overwhelmed with the need to do so, he says aloud or whispers, 'Oh! You've lost an earring! [or I bring my hand up to my lobe, remove it and palm it to him, or announce it myself]. I stand over him as he goes on all fours or completely prone. he 'finds' it, backs his ass against my shin, makes a show of cleaning my earring, and gently hands it to me.
A beautiful, graceful act, and no harm/no foul to the 'nillas passing by. And more magic-act distraction, I can also pretend to dust off his knees with one very mobile hand, and discreetly check his erection with the other.
If you see us meeting in an airport, wave!



OttersSwim -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 1:06:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: beowulf1234

... Kneeling down in a crouded casino and pay her homage. If that is what she wants, she gets it. ...



"Oh look Dear, that nice man is proposing to her!"  [;)]





AquaticSub -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 3:20:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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Kneeling down in a crouded casino and pay her homage. If that is what she wants, she gets it. The people in the casino, nor the patrons will fulfill me or feed my need as a slave. So what why would I care. Do I have the right mindset, I would like to know.
Thank You
i would have an issue with this. You are imposing your kink onto others. I am against public displays, as i feel none of us have a right to make others needlessly uncomfortable.


Agreed. Everything else? Sounds pretty normal to me. Some mistresses do exploit their subs/slaves. Some slaves exploit their mistresses. Not everyone is an honest person. But all in all... eat a dog dish at her feet? Whatever. Humilate and enchance her life? Did you really think that would shock anyone here?

Just don't drag people who haven't or can't consent into your dynamics.

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But I am doing what I am suppose to do. Obey!

Pick an owner who has better judgement than to impose her kinks on the public?

For me, I don't obey orders that impose kinks on others. Valyraen knows I won't. He loves that about me. He wouldn't order me to do such, but knowing that I take responsiblity for my actions despite being owned appeals to him.

Others have brought up ways to disguse kneeling. You've only said that you would obey. So... did you disguse it? Was it something that easily dismissable? Define paying homage please.



joether -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 4:18:47 PM)

It sounds like to me Beowulf, that you aspire to be the shining example, by which all other submissives should be graded on. That's not being humble as a slave, that's being arrogant. You say, you would kneel to your female Master (they are known as Mistresses, or Lady), regardless of the place; would you also slit your wrists if she commanded it? That's not being submissive, that's being not even being a doormat. That's is being in dire need of therapy!

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Yes I am human, but let's face it the slaves of yester year didn't have a choice with their Masters.


Your not a slave, your a martyr.

These Ladies, whether they be Dominant or submissive, would rather wisdom, knowledge, and heart win out over your perceived idea of 'submission', 'obedience', and 'loyality'. It is saddening that you can not see the reality of what you are saying.

We aren't living in 3420 B.C., or 301 A.D., its 2010 A.D. You sound hardly 'old school' SM, because if you were, you'd know better then to write what you did. Which means, either you have not be trained right, or you have a vanilla's viewpoint on BDSM and never once cracked open a book, or searched on the net, for the subject of 'BDSM'.

I hate to have to sound, draconian, but that seems the only style of D/s you seem to crave enough to listen. You alone choose. Walk down this path your on, and find in the end, the Ladies here were right. Or be the artist, the one full of passion, thought, and joy, and serve with dignity, honor, courage, and humility. Its a hard road to follow, but never will a Lady or Mistress treat you unfairly or unlovingly.




MsDDom -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 7:41:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: beowulf1234

I don't mind the criticism. But I am doing what I am suppose to do. Obey! My attitude is kept to myself, but I do not care what people think outside of my owner. As long as there is no exposure to kids. Yes I am human, but let's face it the slaves of yester year didn't have a choice with their Masters. But this is consensual and I consent to Obey, no questions asked. Otherwise It sends a message to my owner, that I don't trust Her.


...ultimately what we say, really doesn't matter and ultimately, u are ur Owner's property, not ours. ur first and foremost goal is to please her and NOT the masses. The masses make this lifestyle so opinionated that people can't even enjoy expressing themselves (be it dominant or submissive).

What u say about serving ur Owner doesn't float the boat of many, but, again, does it really matter? No... ur attitude is good if it honors ur Owner...that is MHO...



cloudboy -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/10/2010 8:05:20 PM)


I don't think good relationships run according to a script or a manual. The most important thing you can do for a partner is "get him or her." S&M scenes and eating out of a dog bowl are ancillary.

For comparison purposes, a car may do everything a woman commands, but it doesn't make her laugh, spark her imagination, or console her when she's unhappy. It has little to say after movies, can't read books, plan trips, or act as a buffer against the cruel, indifferent world.



marine87 -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/11/2010 4:01:23 AM)

I had always thought as human beings or Americans that our first right was to seek happiness. I wouldn't see a point in living 20 years as a slave if everyday I knew I was going to be miserable waking up and going to sleep. To sacrifice one's personal joy so another could be cynically happy just seems absurd. I admit Im new to BDSM but try to see things in a different light I guess. I believe in Carpe Diem no need to be miserable ever. I hope this may help in some way.

Daniel



sirsholly -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/11/2010 4:20:23 AM)

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To sacrifice one's personal joy so another could be cynically happy just seems absurd
what you call absurd, i call married with children.[:)]



LadyPact -> RE: Slaves are not created equal (1/11/2010 11:00:49 AM)

Fast reply.....

No.  Not all slaves are created equal.  For that matter, neither are owners.  Some are more competent than others.



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