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Jeffff -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:34:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Now what if the situation was reversed? What if a sub and a Dom/Domme were in a serious monogamous relationship, the sub was the gift giver, and the Dom/Domme first cheated, then dumped the sub after cheating, and was using the computer to look for replacements? Would the sub have the right to tell the Dom/Domme to get their own computer? Would that make a difference or is cheating equally bad in a monogamous relationship no matter if it's the Dom/Domme or sub that cheats?



I think there might be larger issues here than who gets to keep the computer.

Incidently... I gave my ex wife a fucking HOUSE.

It was a bargain


Jeff




chiaThePet -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:35:41 AM)


"My submission is a gift."

"Owwwwwwwwww"

"911, what is your emergency?"

"She just threw me out the window."

Paints himself green so he can hang around someone's neck.

"The hills are alive......................................

chia* (the pet)




defiantbadgirl -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:35:50 AM)

I'm just trying to get answers from different angles. Does it matter if it's a Dom, Domme, sub, two switches, or even vanilla if cheating is involved?




sunshinemiss -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:36:05 AM)

The very definition of a gift suggests that there is no taking it back.  In fact, in my experience, when relationships have ended (friendships as well as romantic ones), it can be a passive aggressive thing to give back a gift. 

If somebody gives a gift and then the person treats them like crap, it's a pretty inexpensive lesson - if the lesson is learned.

Giving a computer, phone, hell anything that can be used with another person means there is always the possibility that it WILL be used with another person.  Don't give that kind of gift. 

I mean, that necklace up there... do I wear it only with the person who gave it to me?  No.  Other people will enjoy me wearing it.  That's how it goes.

sunshine (who never wants to piss off LaT)




Jeffff -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:37:11 AM)

It depends on the expectaions of those involved. It depends on any agrrements that were made. It depends on a whole list of shit we don't know.


Jeff




LaTigresse -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:38:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Now what if the situation was reversed? What if a sub and a Dom/Domme were in a serious monogamous relationship, the sub was the gift giver, and the Dom/Domme first cheated, then dumped the sub after cheating, and was using the computer to look for replacements? Would the sub have the right to tell the Dom/Domme to get their own computer? Would that make a difference or is cheating equally bad in a monogamous relationship no matter if it's the Dom/Domme or sub that cheats?


In my world.......it would not happen. For reasons that go far far beyond a silly computer.

In whatever fairytale relationship you are discussing, I think it is largely going to depend upon their individual dynamic.

Sometimes it's just going to come down to 'you can shit in one hand and want in the other, see which one fills up first'.




sunshinemiss -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:38:46 AM)

Jeff, I want my heart back.  Give it to me you fricking thief!  And my hopes and aspirations while you're at it.




xxblushesxx -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:39:50 AM)

No, it doesn't matter. I had assumed from your very first post that the situation was actually reversed, and I'm nosy.

Legally, it doesn't matter. A gift belongs to the giftee. If the gift is compromised by someone, (like by accidentally dropping it out the window while cleaning, perhaps) that someone is legally obligated to replace it with one of equal value, or pay the cost of replacing it with one of equal value.

Morally? That's a load of crap, and I would be beyond pissed. Like I said, I think I'd take my chances with the law. The worst thing he/she could do is sue you.




Jeffff -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:41:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Jeff, I want my heart back.  Give it to me you fricking thief!  And my hopes and aspirations while you're at it.



No... :)


Jeff




LaTigresse -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:41:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I'm just trying to get answers from different angles. Does it matter if it's a Dom, Domme, sub, two switches, or even vanilla if cheating is involved?


Yes it does matter. When two people enter a power exchange relationship they have agreed it will not be like a vanilla relationship. That applies to the un-fun stuff as well as the fun stuff of happier times.

If you do not like being in an 'unfair' situation, stay out of an 'unfair' power dynamic relationship.




xxblushesxx -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:42:53 AM)

I think it depends on if she's asking a legal question or a moral one.

Although once the trust is broken, by either side, all bets are off imo.




Jeffff -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:45:14 AM)

But Castle Realm said everything will be beautiful all the time.........


Jeffwey




LaTigresse -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:46:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

No, it doesn't matter. I had assumed from your very first post that the situation was actually reversed, and I'm nosy.

Legally, it doesn't matter. A gift belongs to the giftee. If the gift is compromised by someone, (like by accidentally dropping it out the window while cleaning, perhaps) that someone is legally obligated to replace it with one of equal value, or pay the cost of replacing it with one of equal value.

Morally? That's a load of crap, and I would be beyond pissed. Like I said, I think I'd take my chances with the law. The worst thing he/she could do is sue you.


Except..........we are talking possible power exchange relationships. What you have in YOUR relationship is what you have agreed upon. Screw the law because the happy happy joy joy shit you were having fun with wasn't 'fair' either. Just because it's not fun and happy happy joy joy shit, doesn't mean it has to become all fair and vanilla. Sorry.

Sooooooooooo, here's the deal peoples. If you want a power exchange dynamic and are worried about losing shit when the deal goes south, don't give the s a damned thing! Cuz, all of the sudden that sweet little submissive/slave that agreed to a total power exchange, is going to turn into a greedy vanilla bitch/bastard.

In my world, it is all mine unless the relationship ends and then she gets what I decide to give her. Because THAT is the relationship we both agreed upon in the beginning. If she doesn't like it, she shouldn't have hopped into being my slave.

Again..........it all depends upon the type of relationship. If you want everything all fair at the end, don't get into a power exchange relationship.

Example: When things are wonderful she says "I am wearing HIS collar". She isn't saying, "my boyfriend gave me a pretty necklace!" She is saying HIS collar. It is his. She is his. That means for SOME, everything that was hers, is now HIS.

Something to consider BEFORE accepting HIS collar.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:52:13 AM)

The relationship in question involved an engaged sub and her Dom. In my opinion, it doesn't matter who cheats. Just wanted to see what others thought. Not sure how to help her through this. I think it's just going to take time. An interesting point was brought up about giving gifts that can be used to cheat. I will definitely relay that advice and remember it myself. My thanks to everyone for sharing their opinions.




Jeffff -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 7:52:18 AM)

Well said. people often lose sight of that when everything is new and wonderful. later when the shit hits the fan it always seems so unfair.

Too bad.


Jeff




Mercnbeth -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 8:01:46 AM)

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As a general rule, gifts are supposed to come with no strings attached. Are there exceptions to this rule?


yes...but like anything else, it depends on the individuals involved.
for example, there are folks who believe their submission is a gift and they tie all sorts of strings to it...there are also folks who buy their offspring gifts like cars, but if they do something stupid like drink and drive--they take the car back.
so yeah, generally speaking...most general rules come with exceptions.[:)]





LaTigresse -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 8:03:25 AM)

I have discovered that, very rarely, is life fair. Best to accept it, adapt, and move on.

The fact of the matter is that for me personally, if indeed I did give someone a gift, computer or whatever, it is very likely I would give it to them upon their departure. Regardless of events leading up to, and causing that departure.

Then again, I am one of those strange people that feels cheating is not a one way street of blame. If someone is sneaking around behind my back I immediately know two things. I chose poorly and there was something wrong with the relationship as a whole. I accept my responsibility in both the success AND failure. Something many are hesitant to do. It is far easier to point fingers and blame the one that acted out.




xxblushesxx -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 8:04:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

No, it doesn't matter. I had assumed from your very first post that the situation was actually reversed, and I'm nosy.

Legally, it doesn't matter. A gift belongs to the giftee. If the gift is compromised by someone, (like by accidentally dropping it out the window while cleaning, perhaps) that someone is legally obligated to replace it with one of equal value, or pay the cost of replacing it with one of equal value.

Morally? That's a load of crap, and I would be beyond pissed. Like I said, I think I'd take my chances with the law. The worst thing he/she could do is sue you.


Except..........we are talking possible power exchange relationships. What you have in YOUR relationship is what you have agreed upon. Screw the law because the happy happy joy joy shit you were having fun with wasn't 'fair' either. Just because it's not fun and happy happy joy joy shit, doesn't mean it has to become all fair and vanilla. Sorry.

Sooooooooooo, here's the deal peoples. If you want a power exchange dynamic and are worried about losing shit when the deal goes south, don't give the s a damned thing! Cuz, all of the sudden that sweet little submissive/slave that agreed to a total power exchange, is going to turn into a greedy vanilla bitch/bastard.

In my world, it is all mine unless the relationship ends and then she gets what I decide to give her. Because THAT is the relationship we both agreed upon in the beginning. If she doesn't like it, she shouldn't have hopped into being my slave.

Again..........it all depends upon the type of relationship. If you want everything all fair at the end, don't get into a power exchange relationship.

Example: When things are wonderful she says "I am wearing HIS collar". She isn't saying, "my boyfriend gave me a pretty necklace!" She is saying HIS collar. It is his. She is his. That means for SOME, everything that was hers, is now HIS.

Something to consider BEFORE accepting HIS collar.



I understand what you're saying and agree with it. I really do.

I'm just pointing out that there is no "except, yeah but, or special relationship" as far as the law is concerned. He can be as domly as he wants to be in his own home, but when he gets in front of the judge, he will be treated equally, not as the domly king of all he sees. So if the sub in question decides that she doesn't want to play any more, she does have legal options. And no collar removes those rights.




LaTigresse -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 8:08:46 AM)

I think that most people know what is legal in this regard, here in the US.

Given that we are on a forum for a site that is used by people in power exchange relationships that, by their very nature, are in many ways not complying with US laws, I wasn't going to approach the topic from that perspective.

It could also be mentioned that, if the giver, had just given, and was still making payments on the gift, a court might also rule that either the giver keeps the gift or the giftee must assume payments. If neither wants to make the payments and keep the gift, it may be something that must be sold.




NuevaVida -> RE: gifts (1/13/2010 8:21:04 AM)

~ Fast Reply ~

Wow, if I had been betrayed in my relationship the last thing I'd be thinking about would be a computer.

Move on.  Squabbling about a computer is just a way to keep the argument going and keep the person in your life. 




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