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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:02:36 PM   
lusciouslips19


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Status: offline 		WHen looking at Masculine and feminine, If we look at Asian theory, they are not polar opposites, they are 2 parts of a whole. They are part of a cycle. The Shen and Kyo cycles. Shen being the feminine Yin and Kyo being the masculine Yang. Shen is creation and Kyo is consumption. So its a process of creating energy and then consuming that energy. But they are interdependent. The Yin and Yang. Yin female being earth and creation and darkness and Yang being the masculine and energy and the sun. However, when you look at the 5 elements in Asian theory, earth is the most yin and fire is the most yang. But water is yin but less yin than earth and wood is yin but less yin then water or earth. Metal is very near yang but not as yang as fire. So masculine and feminine do run on a spectrum.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:04:59 PM   
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Don't forget, Ladies... Know Your Limits!



Actually, "knowing your limits" is gender neutral.

"A man's got to know his limitations." - Dirty Harry, Magnum Force



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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:08:29 PM   
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My point is, it is possible to be the "idealized masculine man" without being dominant.


I so appreciate your contributions!

- LA

PS: I sent you a little CMail to thank you yesterday but you might be filtering out Canadians like others here ;-)


Oh, Tish! Say something in French!


J'apprécie énormément vos contributions, mon cher. C'est rafraichissant d'avoir d'excellentes perspectives intelligentes et sensés. J'adore!!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:08:37 PM   
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I also think you're just winding WyldHrt up

He's trying to wind me up. Thus far the score on that would be "Epic Fail".
At this point, I just can't take him seriously in any way.


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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:10:10 PM   
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So masculine and feminine do run on a spectrum.


Agreed. I mentioned that a little earlier on this thread :-)

My kink is bringing submissive men to the masculine end of the spectrum. That is what the OP was all about!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:10:45 PM   
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Actually, "knowing your limits" is gender neutral.
"A man's got to know his limitations." - Dirty Harry, Magnum Force

I know, I just couldn't resist the opportunity to post that particular link in this thread


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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:13:43 PM   
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So masculine and feminine do run on a spectrum.


Agreed. I mentioned that a little earlier on this thread :-)

My kink is bringing submissive men to the masculine end of the spectrum. That is what the OP was all about!

- LA

My post was an add on to what Invisiblack wrote to Psyconaut. So I was not refuting you but just sheddding light for someone who's a bit dense.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:15:17 PM   
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Any time a male submissive raises an objection to something a fem dom says, he's "stalking her" or is "obsessed with her."...Defend your position - don't make this about your twat.


Hell, any time a man raises an objection to something a woman says someone will accuse him of having issues with women in general.  Politesub53 just pulled that card out and played it on me, and in previous discussions morons like Aynne and sexyred1 have accused me of being obsessed with them because I fought back when they attacked me.This is a major reason so many men have trouble taking women seriously intellectually.  Because as soon as you do, it seems like half of them accuse you of hating women.



tsk, tsk, psychoboy.....morons like me and Aynne and apparently every single other poster who has the displeasure to read your ineffectual poseur bullshit, don't think you are obsessed with us. On the contrary, I think you are obsessed with how lacking you are in your life. You sit in your parlor all day and google all sorts of pseudo-intellectual sound bytes and think by quoting others, you sound smart and insightful. Although citing Disney characters as your basis of comparison is rather lame, even for you.

You don't sound smart. You don't sound interesting. You don't sound charming. You don't sound masculine. You don't sound insightful. You don't sound amusing.

You sound exactly like you are; insecure, insecure, and more insecure. I doubt you would be able to hold your own verbally in a room of mutes.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:18:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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Actually, "knowing your limits" is gender neutral.
"A man's got to know his limitations." - Dirty Harry, Magnum Force

I know, I just couldn't resist the opportunity to post that particular link in this thread



Oh it lead me to this instructional video which would be good for all posters who flame. ;-)

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:20:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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So masculine and feminine do run on a spectrum.


Agreed. I mentioned that a little earlier on this thread :-)

My kink is bringing submissive men to the masculine end of the spectrum. That is what the OP was all about!

- LA

My post was an add on to what Invisiblack wrote to Psyconaut. So I was not refuting you but just sheddding light for someone who's a bit dense.


Yes! And thank you. And I got that. I'm just trying (perhaps in vain) to get this thread on topic. We really didn't address the OP much.

Lots of boys have a lot to say to a Domme that asks a question to other Dommes! ;-)

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:23:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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So masculine and feminine do run on a spectrum.


Agreed. I mentioned that a little earlier on this thread :-)

My kink is bringing submissive men to the masculine end of the spectrum. That is what the OP was all about!

- LA

My post was an add on to what Invisiblack wrote to Psyconaut. So I was not refuting you but just sheddding light for someone who's a bit dense.


Yes! And thank you. And I got that. I'm just trying (perhaps in vain) to get this thread on topic. We really didn't address the OP much.

Lots of boys have a lot to say to a Domme that asks a question to other Dommes! ;-)

- LA


Well yes, Psychoboy has a knack for derailing a thread and making it all revolve around him.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:26:13 PM   
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Oh it lead me to this instructional video which would be good for all posters who flame. ;-)

Nice one!


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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:28:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Well yes, Psychoboy has a knack for derailing a thread and making it all revolve around him.


Oh this one isn't all on Psychonaut's head. There were a few other dark clouds...

I said it earlier, he made some good posts, especially in the beginning. He is right about the stereotypes that our society holds and that might be one of the reasons why this kink is such a turn on for me. Too bad most of his posts flamed others at some point, or we could have had an excellent discussion.

And on a side note, I do appreciate the contributions of everyone, not just Dommes. I was just pointing out how ironic it was that the thread was derailed by men. Must be something about a Domme wanting men to be masculine that gets their panties in a twist.

- LA

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:30:59 PM   
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Well yes, Psychoboy has a knack for derailing a thread and making it all revolve around him.

It takes an entire group to derail a thread.  You're right that people tend to move in reaction to his motion.

Unlike LA perhaps, I think the OP has been dealt with at great length.  How can you plan on masculinization unless you know what "masculine" is?  Or "being a gentleman?"  The back-and-forth about those concepts, whether they change over time, where they came from -- that all seems on topic to me.

Totally for real, LA, if you want advice on how to pull a reverse-the-sexes Pygmalion routine, you might be well served by talking to conservative vanilla women.  They're the ones who turn the fratboys into churchgoing adults.


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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:35:42 PM   
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Unlike LA perhaps, I think the OP has been dealt with at great length.  How can you plan on masculinization unless you know what "masculine" is?  Or "being a gentleman?"  The back-and-forth about those concepts, whether they change over time, where they came from -- that all seems on topic to me.


I guess taken from that perspective, yes, we did. True. Touché :-)

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Totally for real, LA, if you want advice on how to pull a reverse-the-sexes Pygmalion routine, you might be well served by talking to conservative vanilla women. They're the ones who turn the fratboys into churchgoing adults.


Oh trust me, I don't need help in pulling off what I'm doing. I manage quite well! ;-)

- LA

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:37:27 PM   
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Well yes, Psychoboy has a knack for derailing a thread and making it all revolve around him.

It takes an entire group to derail a thread. You're right that people tend to move in reaction to his motion.

Unlike LA perhaps, I think the OP has been dealt with at great length. How can you plan on masculinization unless you know what "masculine" is? Or "being a gentleman?" The back-and-forth about those concepts, whether they change over time, where they came from -- that all seems on topic to me.

Totally for real, LA, if you want advice on how to pull a reverse-the-sexes Pygmalion routine, you might be well served by talking to conservative vanilla women. They're the ones who turn the fratboys into churchgoing adults.



Well its a facinating concept. Im not into sissy's, so the de-feminization is appealing to me. I suppose it can be done, but I don't think you can turn a submissive into a dominant. Not that a Domme wants to. But myself as a female submissive into masculine dominants, I correlate alpha male maculinity with dominance. Im not saying this is true for everyone. But it is my concept.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:39:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Well yes, Psychoboy has a knack for derailing a thread and making it all revolve around him.

It takes an entire group to derail a thread. You're right that people tend to move in reaction to his motion.

Unlike LA perhaps, I think the OP has been dealt with at great length. How can you plan on masculinization unless you know what "masculine" is? Or "being a gentleman?" The back-and-forth about those concepts, whether they change over time, where they came from -- that all seems on topic to me.

Totally for real, LA, if you want advice on how to pull a reverse-the-sexes Pygmalion routine, you might be well served by talking to conservative vanilla women. They're the ones who turn the fratboys into churchgoing adults.



Well its a facinating concept. Im not into sissy's, so the de-feminization is appealing to me. I suppose it can be done, but I don't think you can turn a submissive into a dominant. Not that a Domme wants to. But myself as a female submissive into masculine dominants, I correlate alpha male maculinity with dominance. Im not saying this is true for everyone. But it is my concept.


The whole point of this 20 page debate is that if I work with a submissive man to make him more masculine and more of a gentleman (my vision of it, anyways), that doesn't mean I am making him more dominant.

- LA

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:41:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Well yes, Psychoboy has a knack for derailing a thread and making it all revolve around him.

It takes an entire group to derail a thread. You're right that people tend to move in reaction to his motion.

Unlike LA perhaps, I think the OP has been dealt with at great length. How can you plan on masculinization unless you know what "masculine" is? Or "being a gentleman?" The back-and-forth about those concepts, whether they change over time, where they came from -- that all seems on topic to me.

Totally for real, LA, if you want advice on how to pull a reverse-the-sexes Pygmalion routine, you might be well served by talking to conservative vanilla women. They're the ones who turn the fratboys into churchgoing adults.



Well its a facinating concept. Im not into sissy's, so the de-feminization is appealing to me. I suppose it can be done, but I don't think you can turn a submissive into a dominant. Not that a Domme wants to. But myself as a female submissive into masculine dominants, I correlate alpha male maculinity with dominance. Im not saying this is true for everyone. But it is my concept.


The whole point of this 20 page debate is that if I work with a submissive man to make him more masculine and more of a gentleman (my vision of it, anyways), that doesn't mean I am making him more dominant.

- LA


You're not a Gorean, are you?

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:44:58 PM   
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You're not a Gorean, are you?


Oh hell no!

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Edited to not derail any further...

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/21/2010 7:53:47 PM   
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Forced Masculinity.

can I be a forced Renaissance Gentleman?

<)< it is not really forced but a lifelong aspiration.


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