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seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 7:55:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Go Wolverines! hehehe I'm sorry... I had to! Rah Michigan


Sorry Ms Lockit ... but that is awfully close to George Custer's battle cry at Gettysburg ...

i am thinking it was "On you Wolverines" ... LOL ... take a close look at the Union Uniforms of Civil War times .. and the Wolverines uniforms ...

And BTW ... Custer was near Gettysburg ... cut off the conferderate cavalry outside of Gettysburg ... with the Michigan Cavalry ... that later became the 7th US ...

my did i just deviate from the topic? LOL

Sorry ... i am a history buff ... and i could not resist that!

If you are ever in Michigan ... go to downtown Monore ... there is a HUGE statue of Custer (hometown hero) in the city square ....



PeonForHer -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 7:55:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

That said, i love to put a Lady who earns my trust and respect ... on a pedestal ... and treat Her like the Goddess She is ...

... when She is bright, intelligent, educated, thoughtful and eloquent ... well these traits are HUGE pluses ...

Add in extremely polite and thoughtful in the way She treats other people ... and in my mind ... You have defined ... femininity and Goddess ... with the same words !!!!!!!!!!!

There are feminine Lady Dominants and Goddesses here on Collar Me ... and i am thinking ... some of them are writing on this thread.

Clearly, this is my opinion ... but i will say ... LA, Lockit and the rest of You Beautiful Ladies ... You don't disappoint me ... <big smiles>


Well, so long as the lady in question's happy being on that pedestal and doesn't fall off, all's good! 




Lockit -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:02:14 PM)

Wow... Most the men who wish to be feminized get there all by themselves. Some may have been forced at some point by some one... and some domina's do that... but many of those who have pleaded with me to fem them... had no one before forcing them or enticing them with it.

There are a number of reasons for a man wishing to go fem... some medical and I do not mean mental health. It is the way they were born. The credit for that cannot be a fantasy or a dominant.

Yes, some submissive's wish to be weak and to be seen as weak and to be belittled sexually and be denied. That is their kink and they need to own that.

Your take on long term relationships in relation to whatever kind of relationship and dynamic's are there... is your take. I do not happen to agree with it.



seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:07:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Well, so long as the lady in question's happy being on that pedestal and doesn't fall off, all's good!


Peon ... you make a really good point ... they do get tired of being on a pedistal ... in my real life experience ...

Of course they were vanilla ....



Lockit -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:07:23 PM)

Sorry Seeking... I did nine years in Michigan and I don't think I am going back! lol Froze my ass off! Had a great career there and great people... but I am staying this side of that ice burg! (Okay... not literal ice burg!) lol As for the history... we should talk sometime! lol

I might even talk some southern to ya! hehe



Lockit -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:08:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Well, so long as the lady in question's happy being on that pedestal and doesn't fall off, all's good!


Peon ... you make a really good point ... they do get tired of being on a pedistal ... in my real life experience ...

Of course they were vanilla ....


I still have bruises from my last pedistal fall.. not doing that again! lol



arkolt2000 -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:10:09 PM)

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Wow... Most the men who wish to be feminized get there all by themselves. Some may have been forced at some point by some one... and some domina's do that... but many of those who have pleaded with me to fem them... had no one before forcing them or enticing them with it.

There are a number of reasons for a man wishing to go fem... some medical and I do not mean mental health. It is the way they were born. The credit for that cannot be a fantasy or a dominant.

Yes, some submissive's wish to be weak and to be seen as weak and to be belittled sexually and be denied. That is their kink and they need to own that.

Your take on long term relationships in relation to whatever kind of relationship and dynamic's are there... is your take. I do not happen to agree with it.


Ok i was talking about the 'feminisation' fantasy - the one that occurs in domination. Not the transgender community, which is an ENTIRELY different thing.

"There are a number of reasons for a man wishing to go fem... some medical and I do not mean mental health"

to reiterate - I am not talking about cross-dressers, transgenders anything like that -

purely men who like to pretend that a dominant woman is purposefully feminising them - which is what this thread was aluding to.

"Yes, some submissive's wish to be weak and to be seen as weak and to be belittled sexually and be denied. That is their kink and they need to own that."

well yes i know that. But you stating that is no way an argument against anything i've said to be honest.

your statement doesn't signify that their desire to be seen as weak and sexually denied shouldn't be discussed from a motivational point of view, surely?



RedMagic1 -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:14:38 PM)

I'm sorry, arkolt2000.... I have no idea what you're talking about, and my reading comprehension is usually pretty good.

This thread is about a lot of things, but the golden thread seems to be femdoms leading men to become more chivalrous gentlemen.  Sissification belongs in another thread, further down the page.

Right now, my theory is that you are injecting your kinks and desires into the conversation forcefully, instead of allowing things to flow.  My theory could be wrong, though, because I can't follow your logic at all.

Welcome to the boards, in any case.[:)]



kc692 -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:15:43 PM)

Its 2 against one;although she would probably rather them think she was heavyt, drank and was horrendous looking, because then they would be contactingnher for her words, not her looks. I imagine you have the same problem Lockit: I "guess" I'm "lucky"; at my advances age noone bothers me, or maybe its BECAUSE I, not wicked looking like you Lockit...it's probably because I am hardly ever signed in....dammit I saw he few posts before this, and Im going to hate you Ladies before its over with,...I may have to start reading and posting in at least this category, its getting interesting again....I could fit one in my schedule.........*goes off to start readin where she left off



PeonForHer -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:16:18 PM)

I'll never forget a particular entry I once saw in a book of cartoons by women.  Adam gets put on the Earth, then, 'pop', Eve appears.  Adam stares at her for a while, then . . . in the last pic her face is in make-up and she's wearing high heels (nothing else, mind).  It's the expression on her face that I remember most, though:  she's staring up at the sky looking so bored and miserable.  And she's shivering in the cold . . . .



arkolt2000 -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:30:36 PM)

Hello RedMagic1 thanks for your welcome

i was replying to the first post on this thread, which asked

"Ok, almost 5 years ago I started a thread on Forced Masculinity. Let's just say it had it's ups and downs. Part of it was because, as usual, I come to these forums with my half-formed ideas, ready to discuss them and I always inadvertently end up offending someone. But as we say in French, c'est la vie!

Now, I bring back the topic, a little wiser, a little more clear on what it is that I want to say. I call it "forced masculinity" to sort of counterbalance this incredibly huge demand for forced feminization.

One of things that has gotten me thinking is why do a great deal of sub men want to be dressed up like women? Is it because they want to be like us? Is it because they look up to us?"

So i personally thought comments on feminisation in domination were relevant?


"Right now, my theory is that you are injecting your kinks and desires into the conversation forcefully, instead of allowing things to flow"

im not actually into sissification, so ill have to disagree there. But i read the first post in this thread and replied to that, so maybe ive come in a bit late, and i apologise for that.

Just out of curiosity, which parts of what i say don't you understand??

Or is it everything?!



LadyAngelika -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:38:42 PM)

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Well, so long as the lady in question's happy being on that pedestal and doesn't fall off, all's good!


Considering the height of some of my heels, I don't think a little pedestal is going to scare me ;-)

- LA



RedMagic1 -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:39:45 PM)

I see.  I thought the question of the thread was "Any other Dommes share my fetish?"  That fetish being masculinization of men, consistent with the thread title.  Those earlier questions about feminization were rhetorical, and the OP answered/dismissed them herself.  I can see how you could make that mistake though, but it seems a bit choppy.



seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:40:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kc692

but LadyAngelika is red hot gorgeous(truly).


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

LOL... KC... you don't know how hard I refrained from saying that! lol I agree!



i am thinking ... You are both right ... for a number of reasons .... <big smiles>



LadyAngelika -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:42:02 PM)

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So i personally thought comments on feminisation in domination were relevant?


There are at least 5 threads a week on this topic. We are trying hard not to talk about this on this thread. ;-)

- LA



Lockit -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:44:45 PM)

arkolt... I am going to have to try to answer you tomorrow... I am far too tired to do much of anything at this point, but joke around or the less serious type things. There is something that isn't clicking for me or basically misfiring in my brain when it comes to the topic's we were discussing and a point I wanted to make but cannot make tonight.

So... we can return to this tomorrow if you like.



arkolt2000 -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:47:17 PM)

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Your take on long term relationships in relation to whatever kind of relationship and dynamic's are there... is your take. I do not happen to agree with it.


yes that's cool, no worries! - (sorry if i seem argumentative, i just like talking about these things as i find them really interesting, and i don't agree with convential wisdom on them generally)

I was actually referring specifically to the institution of marriage, rather than long-term relationships.

If you think about (IMO) it's a very ritualistic ceremony (conventially). And many of it's rituals are significant in terms of  submission. As with most human interactions, and especially rituals, it's based around power.

for example, telling someone "i commit the rest of my life to you" is actually a very submissive statement, on its own. It only becomes love when it's reciprocated, and that's very sweet - and saying such a thing is one of the rituals contained in a conventional marriage.

But if you said to someone: "i commit the rest of my life to you" and that wasn't reciprocated, that would be on it's own a very submissive statement, would it not?

And i happen to think that marriage is perhaps more weighted to female genetic interests than male interests (which is fine by me). i can explain why if you want, but no worries if you're already bored or very confused by what i've got to say! :)



arkolt2000 -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:49:42 PM)

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arkolt... I am going to have to try to answer you tomorrow... I am far too tired to do much of anything at this point, but joke around or the less serious type things. There is something that isn't clicking for me or basically misfiring in my brain when it comes to the topic's we were discussing and a point I wanted to make but cannot make tonight.

So... we can return to this tomorrow if you like.


Ok i will make sure i check back in tomorrow and would be lovely to continue this discussion.



Lockit -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:53:06 PM)

Thanks Arkolt... when I get tired my brain misfires, thus my tag of dingy domme at times. lol Its a medical thing... so when tired... it is best I don't get into serious things. lol You can call me Lucy Ricardo for the rest of the evening if you like. lol



LadyAngelika -> RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 (1/16/2010 8:53:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: arkolt2000
being sexually submissive as a man, IMHO, CAN (not exclusively at all) essentially mean that you are a complete provider for a particular woman -it means that you do any task or anything else to please her without question - but she still considers you inadequate as a sexual partner, despite your attempts to please her! (as in you're not manly enough for her, your 'genes' aren't good enough for her, so she exploits your servile attitude, but has sex with other men)


Let it be very clear that no submissive partner that I have ever had was inadequate sexually. I have always been an incredibly sexual and sexually satisfied woman. In fact, I make tending to my very high libido part of the service I require ;-)

- LA



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