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Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 7:17:06 AM   
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My wife is an awesome woman who I adore. We met online 6 years ago where she was submissive to me. Since that time I have become interested in submitting to her. I see her in my minds eye taking control. I want to submit to her wishes and desires. I know I shouldn't think in terms of what I want, but I think she wold enjoy the power exchange. The question is how to let her experience the thrill of it all?
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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 7:27:01 AM   
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Ask her if she's interested in role reversal first.  You stated outright that she is submissive to you.  Not everyone is a switch.  Some of us really are only wanting one role or the other.

Be honest in your communication with HER and ask HER about HER interests or lack of them. 


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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 7:35:26 AM   
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In six years you haven't gotten to a place where you can say just about anything to your spouse? What is wrong with talking to her about this? We can't give you the nerve to overcome whatever is stopping you.

Not every person is going to delight in being dominant to someone and since she has already been submissive to you, maybe you know she doesn't have any interest and are afraid to approach her with it. But there is only one way to find out and it isn't with us.

Coming to us, who do enjoy it is kind of a win, win for you. Maybe you thought we would be a gung ho on the delights and encouraging you to show her the delights, but it doesn't work that way. Don't manipulate things. Just simply share with your long term partner what you might enjoy... don't try to convince her. Be honest... don't put it off on her. It is you that wants this... be man (I would have said woman if you were a woman, this doesn't have deeper meaning.) enough to say so.

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 8:06:30 AM   
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Thank you for your sage advice. I don't feel I'm trying to put this off on anyone else. i have submitted to my wife and really enjoyed the experience. For her part she seemed to enjoy the mild Dominate thing. But I wonder how to help her see the excitement of the next step. My wife and I have a great communication system. I just think if I could use the right approach she would be more responsive than if I used the wrong words or mishandled the situation. (you know the difference between How fast was the car going when it slammed into the crowd? vs How fast do you think the car was going?)

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 8:09:40 AM   
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What worked for my Lady and I was the Elise Sutton site, so check out her site and books. Oh they love to bash her on this site but her ideas have made our 23 year marriage FEMDOM and rock solid. Do be very careful what you wish for, as some guys freak out and try to change back to their old ways during the transition. "When that cork is outa the bottle" it ain't going back ever. And be patient it may take a couple years before she will really run with the idea. I hope you BOTH enjoy the adventure, passion,experimentation and energy that we have over the last six years. We don't see an end to it and continue to go happily further down the "rabbit hole".

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 8:09:40 AM   
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How about the approach of loving husband who adores her, simply wondering if she would like to explore more into what you tasted before with her... because you think you would really enjoy that and wonder if she would too?

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 10:35:31 AM   
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I understand what you are saying about this: Your wife understands the concepts of S&M, since she's been on the submissive side. She's also open minded enough to talk to you about it.  But how can you, a man, tell her, a woman, what feels good about being a dominant?  There are a lot of resources out there - my advice is to read the ones written by lifestyle femdoms.

My site - Akasha's Web - has been up since 1995. I have a section specifically for women, as an example. Here's a short excerpt that you can use as a talking point with your wife - it's a section I pulled from "Enjoying Female Dominance."
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There is one tool I believe that is most essential to any expression of dominance. And that is the desire to and comfort with dominance.

This is the chapter that is missing from the books. This is what entire books should be written on. But attaining that comfort and desire I believe is a different road for many women, and unfortunately by the time they start looking for that road, they are already disillusioned about dominance.

Because, chances are, someone suggested they get into it. Someone has already laid out their expectations and that's what sent this woman looking for that road. Because she wants to please her partner. So the complete foundation for dominance is already flawed.

I believe a woman comfortable in her dominance should want to please herself first, and her partner second. It doesn't matter if it is 51% to 49%; she must reserve that little bit of space for herself. With some men, the more she tips the scale in her own favor, the more pleasure he would get from the scene.

I believe most submissive men have desires that can be mapped on an x/y axis. If the x-axis is "Fetishes" and the y-axis is "her dominance", you can map his desires two ways. One is how much emphasis he places on having his specific desires met; the hardcore submissive with several very specific fetishes (ie, he wants to be forced to worship feet, wants to be cross dressed, or wants specific kinds of pain) place him high on the x-axis. If he does not really care how "into it" she is, then the mark on the y-axis can be low. In this case, he probably could be content with a woman who just read up on the technique and acted out the fantasy for him.

However, many men need to know their partner is really enjoying his submission. Some of them require it at least on a minimal level; others really want her to thrive on it. The importance they place on this desire can be mapped on the y-axis. If the acts that he must endure for her pleasure are not specific in his fantasies, the mark on the x-axis can be low. I find this submissive to be the easiest to work with because my drive for dominance is high, but I prefer not to have to deal with too many submissive agendas.

Now, a submissive with a very high fetish-drive, and a high drive for a woman with pure dominance in her blood is the most difficult type of man, in my opinion, to satisfy. Not only does he have a significant list of fetishes that he needs to feel fulfilled, but he desires a woman with a very high dominance drive to make him do them and enjoy it, honestly and truthfully, as much, if not more, than he does. Phew! I think these men are going to be looking a very long time, and may want to consider readjusting their expectations in one of the two areas.

In helping a woman learn to enjoy dominance, my goal is just to bring her up on that y-axis, even if it is a little bit. Unfortunately, by the time women start looking for their dominance, several negative things have happened that will undermine it ever being developed.

First, they were probably presented with their partner's agenda. After all, very few men will just suggest that a woman should experiment with the vague term "domination". He may have suggested bondage; he may have asked her to control his orgasm. I've heard of some men even presenting the idea of dildo or strap-on play to a woman who has never considered domination in any form.

This immediately puts some level of expectation on the woman, whether that was her partner's intention or not. She knows what is expected of her, and she knows that she wants to, ultimately, please her mate. Already the roles have been reversed; she is seeking approval. There is a huge fear of failure.

Second, in many cases the submissive inadvertently intimidated his partner with the tools he chose to introduce her to his fetishes. Perhaps he showed her some magazines that portray dominant women as latex-clad Goddesses, or toys that frightened her - paddles, clamps, restraints.

So, what now? My first bit of advice to women who are reading this because their partner pointed them to is it this - forget every thing he ever told you he wanted done to him. If he wants dominance, it starts with you.

If he wants specific fetishes fulfilled, I think both people should sit down and have a long discussion. If his desire to have these specific needs met is higher than the desire to see you truly enjoy dominance, you should consider gaining the practical knowledge needed to do it, and agree on the frequency for doing it. Just like providing oral sex, or any other variation of typical sexuality. If you object to the fetishes that he wants you to fulfill, you need to have more serious discussions and find a way to compromise. If you hated giving blow jobs but he felt it was integral to his sexuality, would it be fair to never allow him that pleasure again?

If he wants you to enjoy dominance, then he must be willing to sacrifice for you. His first step should be to leave you alone. That means not bringing it up. Putting away all the magazines. Putting all the toys he may have bought into a trunk and locking it and giving you the key. Staying off of chat rooms to all hours of the night when you know he is chatting up Cyber Dommes. No pouting, whining or hinting.

He needs to give you time to find your own dominance. His first act of submission should be to give you the space you need. Tell him you need one month.

By now, he might be worried about what he is getting himself into. After all, it can't possibly be fair that he's just tossing out every single one of his fantasies because you are going to dominate him. He needs to realize something, first and foremost. You are never, ever going to feel comfortable with domination if you have a list in front of your face.

If he wants the fetishes met, he can go back to plan A and accept it without your passion, and not whine when he feels you just aren't "into it".

If he wants you to learn to enjoy dominance, he must allow you to find your own passion and then help it grow from there. Eventually, with patience and encouragement, there will be a time when his fantasies and fetishes will probably come into play.

But I cannot emphasize this enough. The first step toward dominance is feeling free of expectations and agendas. He must let you do it your way.

Who is into this weird stuff, anyway?

You may find it difficult to get rid of any preconceived notions about sadomasochism.

Because I was into this as far back as I could remember, I had the fortune of being able to develop my own passion, on some small level, before I even knew what sadomasochism was. I was playing my own thrilling little power games long before I read a Forum magazine, saw a dominatrix on television or read about a sadomasochistic crime in the paper.

I was playing my own little power games before I ever had sex, had an orgasm, or even kissed a boy. Well, I think it started in tandem with the kissing part.

I never had a guy tell me, either after we had been dating or once we got serious, "Hey. I'm kind of kinky. Will you dance around naked with a fish on your head?"

I use this ridiculous example because I imagine that is how ridiculous it must have sounded to you. Like, here is this guy who you really are into, and all of a sudden he comes up with an idea that is so unlike you and he expects you to just do it. Without laughing, even.

You don't have to dance around naked with a fish on your head. All you have to do is give it a chance, but do it your way. I am probably starting to sound like a broken record now. But it's time for you to start figuring out how you really feel about dominance.

The Essence of Domination

I think many women get very nervous and insecure when they think about dominance. Having all of that control must be overwhelming. It means he is waiting for you to do everything. It means you have to control everything and make all the choices. It means you have no freedom - you have to do all of these things while he is watching you very closely.

This is backwards. Do not look at it this way. Later, you may love this kind of control of the situation; for now, it is way too extreme and intimidating.

Instead, look at it this way. There is no pressure, because there is no wrong way to do it. All you need to do is please yourself. And before you say, "It would please me most not to have to do it at all," remember that we have already tossed out all of his ideas. We are talking about what turns you on, now.

So now, here is the fun part. Just what turns you on about that man?


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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 4:39:11 PM   
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Maybe you should find a Mistress the both of you can serve.

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 7:49:53 PM   
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Hi.

Some subs introduce their wife into it by giving her a book or manual or video on it, and other subs train their wife but some think that's topping from the bottom. Another popular way to get her into it is she can get tutored by other Mistresses. I know lots of Mistresses that got their start at GoddessClub.com with the free tutoring.

Hope this helps.

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 9:30:46 PM   
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Great post AAkasha!

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/16/2010 9:50:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Great post AAkasha!

Agreed!

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/17/2010 1:46:32 AM   
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I was very fortunate that when I started thinking that "hmm, perhaps my tendency to prefer being in charge and to take charge when presented with the opportunity meant that I might enjoy being a dominant in a BDSM sense" that our local BDSM group had a lot of non-sexist male dominants and a couple of female dominants who were thoughtful and considerate, and introduced me to various aspects of the technical side by letting me co-top with them, and talk with them about the personal philosophy and style of domination I was discovering worked for me. I've grown much much more comfortable with what I like, what I don't like, what gets me wet, and what leaves me cold, and while my husband happens to be another dominant, I still had to find my own shape of dominance and get comfortable with it.  I don't give a damn about crossdressing, not sure about foot worship, like humiliation, love impact play, and found even watching knives being used gets me seriously turned on. Another female dominant I know loves to dress up guys, doesn't go for foot worship, humiliation is a must, and impact play is really not that high on her agenda. It also helped to go to the play parties and see that most of the people there were not fetish models, so I didn't have to be either.


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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/17/2010 7:57:35 AM   
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Ms. Aakasha, that is kind of complicated...but I like it.  I am going to have to make that graph and see where I am on it.

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/17/2010 10:45:52 AM   
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IMO in this information age, if your wife hasn't already researched BDSM on her own, and come to the conclusion she's a Domme, chances are, she may indulge your fantasy once in a blue moon, but won't be willing to make it a lifestyle.

Dom(mes) are born, it's part of their genetic make up, the same as subs/slaves, and I realized at a very young age, that I was subservient to strong willed females, long before I understood what BDSM was, as I'm sure, has everyone else on here.

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/17/2010 6:12:43 PM   
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As much as I enjoyed reading Akasha's advise, I think you make a good point, rob. The wife may not have the Dominant urge. On the other hand, in a similar thread someone suggested the husband begin catering to his wife and deferring to her in very subtle and loving ways to give her some of the experience without making an issue if it. To act as if. That seemed a reasonable suggestion when I read it.

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 1/18/2010 8:04:05 AM   
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Instead of expecting to convert her to a Domme, you may have better luck with it if you bring it up with the possibility of occasionally topping or switching. You already know she has an interest in submission toward you specifically. Personally, I haven't been able to feel dominant toward anyone I've reacted to submissively, or vice versa - it seems to depend on the individual person. I'm able to switch with or top someone who I feel submissive toward, and can specifically service top at their direction if they desire. Getting into a dominant mindspace with them just doesn't work for me, even though I can be very dominant with a different person.

Vincent, I think that advice (pampering her, catering to her) can work well with a vanilla partner who someone doesn't want to scare off. The OP's wife isn't vanilla, she's currently (or at least was in the past) submissive to *him*. Him pampering her in those ways might well be viewed as him taking care of her as his submissive, or depending on how he does it, make her feel she's doing a poor job as his submissive and that he's unhappy with her.

subrob, I disagree that D/s is genetic or even personality based. I started out as a Domme for 5 years, and my fantasies still lean very strongly dominant. I'm currently a slave to my Master of 7 months, who I met here, and have a female submissive playpartner who I react to in a dominant fashion, but primarily top at playparties. She's not in a position to be *my* submissive.

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 4/19/2010 2:52:48 PM   
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.....me wonders if we can do a total differential equation with Aakasha's graphs= might be a good way to start segmenting optimal pair-offs betw aspiring subs and newbie Dommes........[/

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RE: Intruduce my wife to the excitement of Domination - 4/19/2010 9:18:06 PM   
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like my Mistress LadyPact said talk to her and say what your feeling and if she dosent want to top you then possibly seeing you topped by another it is just one of many things that can happen but you have to ask and talk to and with her to find out

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