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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:02:53 AM   
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I have investigated various aspects of that (and other) war(s) in sufficient detail to fathom what truly happened and that suffices for me.



Fair enough. However, it is you who said that you hadn't noticed any denial on Real0's part, when in fact, that is his stock and trade: all of his arguments are the same as those of the Holocaust deniers. I merely showed you that RealZero's posts are stereotypical denier stuff, and that you can find the info should you wish.

Don't say it's not there because you don't know what it is. I know what it is, and I recognise it when I see it. It's just a pity that that bastard was allowed back in after he was banned for years :-( .




I already answered that for you

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It makes me angry, too, that anyone would ever attempt to deny one of the most horrifying events in history. It's appalling!

I must have missed the denial. In what post was that?

From what I recall, RealOne asserted that the number of victims on a sign at Auswitch was reduced by four million. So what? It is a number without context. It is not a denial that six million Jews and many other people were murdered.

From what I recall, RealOne also asserted that many Jews died from typhus. Again: so what? Numbers, please? It does not mean that they were not murdered by the nazi's; it simply implies that they were murdered by biological warfare.

This thread would profit from less emotions and no more one shot arguments that have no context.



You obviously are not 'au courant' with the Holocaust denial movement.

All of RealZero's lies about the Shoah belong in the basic kit of the Holocaust denier. You should read up on the subject, because you're obviously completely ignorant about that particular movement.

There's no question that Real0 is a Holocaust denier. Holocaust denial aims to discredit the Jews by implying they deliberately trumped up the numbers of those murdered for monetary gain - Real0 makes that very point, for example.

But I'm not going to give you an entire lecture on the subject. Do yourself a favour, and do your own research.


shoah means catastrophe
holocaust means a burnt offering to G-D

get it?

Orthodox rabbis rightly declared it a shoah as is demeans the ancient holocaustion which was considered sacred.

If you want to accuse me of being antisemite because I agree with the rabbis on that particular issue well then laugh is on you dear.



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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:02:56 AM   
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So you dont find it odd that he forgot to film this part?

You dont find it odd that he forgot to mention that the allies bombed the convoys delivering FOOD in the weeks prior to the liberation wherein several especially in the outlying camps starved or got typhus and starved as a result of the typhus?

Thanks for posting that as it demonstrates how the mass media can completely control the public, not by what they say in asmuch as what they do not say.

Welcome to the fine art of creative presentation. 

Why dont all these "remember the holocaust" wesites show you these pics?

Why is it that the only thing they swore to in your video that the pictures are true but not the presentation? 

Why is it that critical words are missing and simply bleeped out when some of these guys talk?

Truly you need to be a critical listener.  The problem with people is the sleep while they listen.  Its a known fact and the propagandists love you for it!

Now AGAIN I am not saying mean nasty and bad things did not happen.  They certainly did as they do in any war.  That and the farther you get into poland the more you get mingling of evidence conveniently blamed on to the germans.

Shall we talk about the jap death marches?  How about Stalins escapades?

Do you think it was better for those under Jap control?  How about today?  Blackwater?  Shooting civilians for target practice?

Thats ok though because the moooslums are todays holocaust and that holocaust is sanctioned by the good guys?

By you too maybe?

Remember the victors ALWAYS have the loudest voice and as a result write the history.

Did you ever wonder why they hold information from you?  What gives them the authority to withhold evidence from you?  Did you ever ask yourself WHY and for WHAT PURPOSE they would ever want to do such a thing?

Simple.  Because it didnt happen the way they want you to BELIEVE it happened.




I don't think it's necessary for me to repeat anything that other's have said in response to this. However, I will add:

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My father personally was involved in the liberation of camps, he was in the army-air corps, and after their bombing in germany they had not a great deal to do as patton et al marched to berlin. there was no food from the germans, typhus was rampant, sure, there may have been a friendly fire on an allied food convoy, but not ordered, and certainly not widespread.

You dont starve to death as a result of typhus.....it aint like you got a ribe eye steak and have endemic typhus and you are gonna be peachy.

The people who freed the camps were armed to keep the prisoners from killing themselves by gorging on food, which they learned from the first liberations.


Are you going to say that his dad was lying? Why would his dad lie about this stuff? That defies logic.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:10:13 AM   
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<snip>You dont find it odd that he forgot to mention that the allies bombed the convoys delivering FOOD in the weeks prior to the liberation wherein several especially in the outlying camps starved or got typhus and starved as a result of the typhus?<snip>

First, I dont find it odd that he didnt mention something that didnt happen.

My father personally was involved in the liberation of camps, he was in the army-air corps, and after their bombing in germany they had not a great deal to do as patton et al marched to berlin. there was no food from the germans, typhus was rampant, sure, there may have been a friendly fire on an allied food convoy, but not ordered, and certainly not widespread.

You dont starve to death as a result of typhus.....it aint like you got a ribe eye steak and have endemic typhus and you are gonna be peachy.

The people who freed the camps were armed to keep the prisoners from killing themselves by gorging on food, which they learned from the first liberations.




so grand dad was in ww1 then you disconnect to patton then again you disconnect to bombing american convoys.

I was not talking about american convoys I was talking about german convoys.  What would american convoys be doing hauling food to germans before the liberation?

The point being that the conditions in some of the camps were bad and WE MADE THEM WORSE and then blame the germans for not keeping a tidy house!

Its no different than if I sent my dog over to shit in your yard and turned you in for havin dog shit in your yard.

Oh and btw........when you are running a fever of 104+ for 2 - 3 weeks its sort of difficult to eat and unless you were a 300 pound fat ass to begin with chances are you would not survive as a result of starvation.

Since food was sparce and the average prisoner diet though more than the average german by roughly 300 calories was not enough to stay the progression of the disease and death.

Remember the germans had no way to get medicines they needed to combat the disease.

That and even the german army was severely hit by typhus when they attacked the russians if I remember right.

It was the plague of the day.










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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:12:16 AM   
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They dont tell you about typhus breaking out after the liberation either and killing jews while under american control either.

So it was biological warfare by the Americans after they liberated the camps? Interesting. But what about the numbers?

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:13:49 AM   
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shoah means catastrophe
holocaust means a burnt offering to G-D

How about using the word 'genocide' instead?

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:17:27 AM   
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<snip>You dont find it odd that he forgot to mention that the allies bombed the convoys delivering FOOD in the weeks prior to the liberation wherein several especially in the outlying camps starved or got typhus and starved as a result of the typhus?<snip>

First, I dont find it odd that he didnt mention something that didnt happen.

My father personally was involved in the liberation of camps, he was in the army-air corps, and after their bombing in germany they had not a great deal to do as patton et al marched to berlin. there was no food from the germans, typhus was rampant, sure, there may have been a friendly fire on an allied food convoy, but not ordered, and certainly not widespread.

You dont starve to death as a result of typhus.....it aint like you got a ribe eye steak and have endemic typhus and you are gonna be peachy.

The people who freed the camps were armed to keep the prisoners from killing themselves by gorging on food, which they learned from the first liberations.




so grand dad was in ww1 then you disconnect to patton then again you disconnect to bombing american convoys.

I was not talking about american convoys I was talking about german convoys.  What would american convoys be doing hauling food to germans before the liberation?

The point being that the conditions in some of the camps were bad and WE MADE THEM WORSE and then blame the germans for not keeping a tidy house!

Its no different than if I sent my dog over to shit in your yard and turned you in for havin dog shit in your yard.



My father you fucking moron. Ja, all of a sudden the krauts are busting loose the beer and wienerschnitzel, because they just found out about typhus. (being german and no translators they thought it was the magna carta).

Your point is imbicilic even if the clauses leading to your point were true, and relevant, which they are not.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:20:45 AM   
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I'm tired of bashing my head against a brick wall.


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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:20:58 AM   
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I have highlighted in italics the same 'arguments' realZero has been making here for years for everybody's edification:

"Holocaust denial and minimization or distortion of the facts of the Holocaust is a form of antisemitism.

Holocaust deniers ignore the overwhelming evidence of the event and insist that the Holocaust is a myth, invented by the Allies, the Soviet communists, and the Jews for their own ends. According to the deniers' “logic” the Allies needed the “Holocaust myth” to justify their occupation of Germany in 1945 and the “harsh” persecution of Nazi defendents. Holocaust deniers also claim that Jews needed the “Holocaust myth” to extract huge payments in restitution from Germany and to justify the establishment of the State of Israel. Holocaust deniers claim that there is a vast conspiracy involving the victorious powers of World War II, Jews, and Israel to propagate the Holocaust for their own ends.

Holocaust deniers assert that if they can discredit one fact about the Holocaust, the whole history of the event can be discredited as well. They ignore the evidence of the historical event and make arguments that they say negate the reality of the Holocaust in its entirety.

To make this argument, they reject all the evidence presented at the trial in Nuremberg. Some Holocaust deniers argue that, since there is neither a single document that outlines the Holocaust nor a signed document from Hitler ordering the Holocaust, the Holocaust itself is a hoax. They denounce as fabrications the genocidal intention of the Nazi state and the thousands of orders, memos, notes, and other records that document the process of destruction. When they cannot sustain arguments that documents are forged, they argue that the language in the documents has been deliberately misinterpreted. Furthermore, some Holocaust deniers insist that the Allies tortured the perpetrators into testifying about their role in the killing process and that the survivors who testified about Nazi crimes against Jews were all lying out of self-interest.

Some Holocaust deniers claim that those “few” Jews who perished died from natural causes or were legitimately executed by the Nazi state for actual criminal offenses. They assert that Jews and the Allied powers deliberately inflated the numbers of Jews killed during the war. Holocaust historians have placed the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust between 5.1 and 6 million, based on legitimate available historical sources and demographic methods. Holocaust deniers cite uncertainty about the exact number of deaths within this accepted range as proof that the whole history of the Holocaust has been fabricated and that the number of Jewish deaths during World War II has been grossly exaggerated.

Some Holocaust deniers assert that the Nazis did not use gas chambers to kill Jews. They deny the reality of the killing centers. Deniers have focused their attention on Auschwitz and believe if they could just disprove that the Nazis used gas chambers in Auschwitz to kill Jews, the whole history of the Holocaust would also be discredited.

Holocaust deniers often mimic the forms and practices of scholars in order to deceive the public about the nature of their views. They generally footnote their writings by citing the publications of other Holocaust deniers and hold pseudo-scholarly conventions."
 
Now that it's established exactly what you are, I hope that people won't waste their time trying to argue with you. Your beliefswere allowed to fester and spread thanks to the First Amendment. Shame on you for making a farce out of what should be respected.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:21:42 AM   
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They dont tell you about typhus breaking out after the liberation either and killing jews while under american control either.

So it was biological warfare by the Americans after they liberated the camps? Interesting. But what about the numbers?



Nothing of the sort.

It was a natural occurence.   typhus was carried by lice and ticks and fleas etc.  Lice was the worst problem because uf the increasingly unsantiary conditions not only of the camps but mostly because every time they got new people in the camps often they would be carriers and give it to the others.

That is why they totally shaved people made them shower and stuck their clothes in the real gas chambers (you can tell they are always blue), was to kill all the lice so they would not infect the other prisoners.

It was a real threat and difficult to deal with as I said in the increasingly worsening conditions due to the allied bombing.

The question given the circumstances what would you do if you had to manage a disease that even took out your own people and were lacking in the proper medical supplies to combat the problem?




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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:22:30 AM   
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Fair enough. However, it is you who said that you hadn't noticed any denial on Real0's part, when in fact, that is his stock and trade: all of his arguments are the same as those of the Holocaust deniers. I merely showed you that RealZero's posts are stereotypical denier stuff, and that you can find the info should you wish.

Don't say it's not there because you don't know what it is. I know what it is, and I recognize it when I see it. It's just a pity that that bastard was allowed back in after he was banned for years :-( .

Any assertion upon examination will either show up to be supported by evidence, or to be untrue, or to be inconclusive.

First RealOne made the vague assertion that many Jews - number not known - died from typhus, now much later he said more specifically that they died from typhus after being liberated - number still unknown. I am not impressed by such vague assertions without context.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:23:29 AM   
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He's a fucking revisionist. That's all there is to him, Rule.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:23:31 AM   
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you wouldnt ZyklonB them you fucking toilet.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:30:19 AM   
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you wouldnt ZyklonB them you fucking toilet.


you mean through secret shower heads?

No fucking ventilation system?

How about throwing the shit on the floor as claimed?  Or that artists conception pic of the chutes that was taken for the real deal. 

Fuck man I woud dance on that shit all day.

Need to get a grip on how it works.

No one here has a clue, if they did they would immediately see the claims are false.

Most of what you learned on the gassing is fucking impossible but you dont knoa any better so you believe it ock stock and barrel.



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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:32:43 AM   
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That's right, and you won't convince anybody with your disgusting crap, so why don't you fuck off back to whatever hate-mongering workshop you come from and mingle with other minge-infested Jew haters, aye? Do yourself a favour.

Unless you're a masochist and you love the insults that are getting dished out to you, in which case you should hop over to the "shit all over me because I'm worthless" threads.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:34:46 AM   
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Fair enough. However, it is you who said that you hadn't noticed any denial on Real0's part, when in fact, that is his stock and trade: all of his arguments are the same as those of the Holocaust deniers. I merely showed you that RealZero's posts are stereotypical denier stuff, and that you can find the info should you wish.

Don't say it's not there because you don't know what it is. I know what it is, and I recognize it when I see it. It's just a pity that that bastard was allowed back in after he was banned for years :-( .

Any assertion upon examination will either show up to be supported by evidence, or to be untrue, or to be inconclusive.

First RealOne made the vague assertion that many Jews - number not known - died from typhus, now much later he said more specifically that they died from typhus after being liberated - number still unknown. I am not impressed by such vague assertions without context.



careful with your disection of what I said.

There was a huge outbreak in I think the end of 42 then about 6 months before dday in auschwitz and the worst hit camp was belsen if I remember correctly.

It was a continuing problem due to all the lowlands are a rich breeding ground for the lice et al.

So dont single it out in a manner such that is denies the fact it was a problem for everyone over there.

He who had medicines, were well fed, and could bathe regularly survived, and he who did not died.

Its just that simple.


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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:35:58 AM   
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most of what I know about gassing is impossible? SECRET showerheads? you go ahead and hep us to your wisdom, shitbreather...

You cant hang two sentences together or provide any proofs (even tenuous ones) to your fantasy information and knowledge. You are simply inchoate and a putrid fuck.



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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:40:50 AM   
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That's right, and you won't convince anybody with your disgusting crap, so why don't you fuck off back to whatever hate-mongering workshop you come from and mingle with other minge-infested Jew haters, aye? Do yourself a favour.

Unless you're a masochist and you love the insults that are getting dished out to you, in which case you should hop over to the "shit all over me because I'm worthless" threads.



Well I realize that you want this to be the big drama and all but there are real and pragmatic reasons for what went on over there and its unfortunate there was so much money to be made in the holocaust business.

to be blunt.

If governments told the truth  and did not do suich a dan good job hiding everything from the people and then make laws banning freedom of speech on the matter to even go so far as throwing people in jail who did not agree with the government really kitten does that not strike you as something being shitty in denmark?

Do you realize that you have put yourself up to be one who denies the freedom of speech by agreeing with the treatment of the matter?

Even your own rabbis disagree with you.

How sad for you to place agenda over truth and freedom of speech.





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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:43:29 AM   
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I recommend this novel by Jonathan Littell to anyone out there: it's harrowing, but well worth it. (No idea what the English translation is like.) The Kindly Ones.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:44:52 AM   
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Guys. The only way to get rid of this troll is to ignore him. If no one comments, there will be nowhere for him to go with his fraudulent drivel. Just stop banging your head and pretend hes not here. I gave up the argument. Theres no point.

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RE: Jew Hitler a Rothschild? ?? huh? - 2/11/2010 8:45:15 AM   
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most of what I know about gassing is impossible? SECRET showerheads? you go ahead and hep us to your wisdom, shitbreather...

You cant hang two sentences together or provide any proofs (even tenuous ones) to your fantasy information and knowledge. You are simply inchoate and a putrid fuck.




I am not the pone who made that fragmented post you did man, dont put your issues onto me.

I already told how it was impossible but you failed to pick up on it because you simply do not know how it works, and even though I elluded to it you still dont seem to grasp there are marked problems.

Its the same shit with all these dramas.  the evidence never matches the situation and unless people have an intimate understanding of several technical fields or simply realize that any time a government bar none opens their fucking mouth its a lie, well those are the only 2 exceptions to being a sucker.


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