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Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 11:47:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

It's nice to know there are men here with enough testosterone that they feel the need to interject their own personal appraisals of the specifics actions others are engaging in (if they were in said shoes) as if it's even remotely relevant.

Even better when the geniuses are so personally biased on the topic that they cannot differentiate between the selective instance of it based on an individual's experience (in this case, the OP's partner) from misunderstandings of general iffy chronological linear correlations and studies on a topic that are often rife with ideological tweaking.



This is a fundamental truth that people subject both themselves and their partners to when exposing relationship woes in message board posts. Mind you, I've noticed similar patterns in both sexes and not just male driven testosterone.

I do believe when somebody is seeking possible insight, even these interjected appraisals hold value in the measuring of possibilities. What matters the most, is that one rare gem of a post by another that hits the nail on the head with true depth. The definitive moment when the original poster reads perhaps one sentence out of the deluge of ideological responses and it connects.

Linear correlations generally appare to be more often the norm compared to associative ones, People tend to try to put other peoples situations in their own shoes, verses exploring the situation from the other persons shoes. As the expression goes Ask Questions first before shooting. Still the experience of being shot at is worth it's own value for the poster.

How to express this, even if it's wrong, it's right. Fragility is a bit of an issue always in a delicate situation, then again it also does not make sense to live in a glass house in places known to be hit by hurricanes.

There will always be devils and angels on two sides of a shoulder, both speaking thier own thoughts into the ears of somebody who is desparate for the answers, or the truth.

The truth of the matter is such, that only the poster and his girl have the power to straighten out their issues together. The OP is faced with looking at what perhaps he's done or not done to contribute to the issues. The same can be said with regards to his girl. They both need to communicate things with one another, and figure out the true answer together. However, this is a little hard to achieve when Emotional Disconnection is used. Shutting off communication while it might punish one, it does little to address the root cause of the original problems.

As somebody pointed out, in regards to text messages, there are times when they don't get delivered for a few hours or until the next day. I know this first hand to be true. The world is not a perfect place. There is a scene in the Breakfast Club movie, about screws falling out of perfectly good doors every day. This scene in many ways speaks volumes in regards to how much somebody can or can not control things. Let alone be able to see things with greater understanding. Screws falling out of doors was a bit of a metaphor to describe how perfectly good people fall out of the doors of society. Personally, you can either bitch about the screws falling out of the door, and bitch about loosing control.. or you can attempt to fix things.

Clearly, in regards to the late delivery, or the deliverly of the text message at 2PM was a screw falling out of the door. However, it's clear that there was a lack of deeper understanding as to reasons why. It would be unfair to punish somebody who sent a text message early in the morning as expected, just because it arrived late. The submissive has no control over the phone company SMS service and neither does the DOM. The Key point here to express, is this. He did recieve a text message from her. This speaks far more when compared to no text message. It was 4-6 hours late? It's not like this caused him to miss a Doctors Appointment or Air flight.

Ironic, the very thing stressed the injection of personal appraisals, and personal experiences and idealogical thinking... the original poster appears to be guilty to a certain degree.

In regards to her becoming an escort, she expressed she had never done it before. While this notion appears to been sexually stimulating for both of them. The OP should have been aware of the possiblility in her backing out from it, while he was in the process of putting all the Hard Work into things. Then again, some people would not think what he did was really all that hard work, and that perhaps the OP should do Masonary work for a week for a deeper appreciation of what actual hard work is. I can be debated, that perhaps it was not his Hard Work that was wasted, but rather that his intense desire for fantasy becoming a reality which was wasted. All of this can become rather subjective based upon people's own experiences, thoughts and opinions.

All of what I have expressed, thus far, does not include much in regards to his partner. Clearly she had a method to her actions. One simply does not delete somebody off from their profile without some cause, be it logical or emotional in nature. The OP did present some information in a linear sequence of event. Action equals reaction kind of stuff.

I'm certain, that much can be expressed by a number of people with various points of views and opinions with regards to the OP's postings. Again, a sort of reaction to an action effect.




Jeffff -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 11:49:57 AM)

Wow Whip, you have been pondering huh? Rather thoughtful.


Jeff






CalifChick -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 12:03:35 PM)

Someone let me know when the testosterone-slinging has stopped.  Although personally, I thought domi let us see his softer, gentler side.

Hmmm... I think I have a fever, delirium setting in.

Cali




Jeffff -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 12:05:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Someone let me know when the testosterone-slinging has stopped.  Although personally, I thought domi let us see his softer, gentler side.

Hmmm... I think I have a fever, delirium setting in.

Cali



Get your estrogen laden ass out of here! This is men talking.


Jeffwey




LaTigresse -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 12:20:05 PM)

Insert eye roll here.

June

As for the OP..........sometimes when you jump into a 'relationship' so quickly, it will fizzle out just as quickly. A lot of what was described made me think of the whole Disneyland dad thing. What the two of you created was so fantastical, it ceased being applicable to real life after the initial glow wore off. Kind of a "wow, that was amazing and cool but now I've got to get back to my 'real life' now."

Though I may be way off base.




Jeffff -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 12:24:49 PM)

June, you know I didn't mean YOU!



Ward




CalifChick -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 12:53:55 PM)

Bite me, Poptart.

Cali




stella41b -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 1:29:08 PM)

Okay, first thing - BDSM primarily isn't about kink, isn't about domination and submission, isn't about the fetishes, the need to control or submit, it's about people.

Why do you think most people here won't do long distance? Why do you think most people here won't do online? Why do you think there's a lot of people here who say 'take it slow'? There's no short cuts, there's no easy way, and there's no way you will ever get a successful relationship together or a working dynamic until you two know each other as people.

This 'made for each other' and 'chemistry' bit. I could take any state in the United States and browse profiles and within a night of making contact I can find maybe half a dozen people with whom I can feel some sort of vibe.

I'm not disputing what you're saying, some people do connect better than others, but leave everyone else in your life to work out whether you're 'perfect for each other' over time rather than take the leap of faith and announce that you are perfect for each other after a couple of months. I mean if you were really perfect for each other you wouldn't be in this predicament would you?

You see until you know the mind of the person you're dealing with, and it doesn't matter whether it's D/s or M/s here, until you know the mind of the person you're dealing with taking on control or giving up control to that person involves a considerable risk. This is why most people much prefer plenty of real time face to face contact when getting to know someone and developing a relationship and ultimately a dynamic.

There's also another reason. Relationships happen in cycles. We start out with expectations about our current relationship expectations based on our previous relationship cycles which become modified through communication and getting to know the person that we're with to create new cycles. The ideal in any relationship is to have one based on cycles which are current and relevant to both people based on the development of the relationship, fulfilment of needs, wants etc on both sides and a firm grasp on reality.

However this isn't always the case. There can be a misunderstanding or breakdown in communication, which can lead to further problems and insecurity or stress, and when that happens we tend to revert back to more familiar past relationship cycles, irrespective of whether they are relevant to the current relationship or not. This can in turn give off further mixed signals which can create further misunderstandings.

Please bear in mind that some people do have unresolved issues from previous relationships which can be anything from unfulfilled needs or desires to issues coming from childhood and their relationships with their parents and this can create difficulties when forming new relationships with new people. Some people find it hard to relate to others in ways other than they related to former relationship partners and it can take them quite a few failed relationships before they can break out of this cycle.

When things go wrong in a new relationship it can be any one of a number of reasons. Some people take the simplistic even behaviourist approach and tell you that 'the only constant in a relationship is you', but you know, you often don't get to know who you really are unless you have relationships and you often find out more about yourself as a person from how you relate to other people than from being on your own.

There's also a spiritual element to all this, call it karma if you like, but it's there and it exists and every so often life throws you a curve ball and even if you are with the right person and the relationship seems right you find yourself in difficulties and struggling. Often you have to find a specific solution out of the difficulties and if you don't find the right solution this situation will keep coming back and affecting you and your relationships until you do manage to find the solution.

My suggestion to you is to let go of everything what has happened - everything - let it go - and start all over again, but this time lay off the dynamic and punishment and whatever else until you properly know each other, and this means a bit more than comparing kinks with each other, it means getting into each others' headspace and working out better ways of communicating with each other and developing a relationship that you're both comfortable with and happy with and where you can both relate to each other openly and honestly without any misunderstandings or shutting off communication.

I'd also suggest you run all this through a good friend, and I mean a good friend, someone who isn't going to bullshit you or tell you what you want to hear but who gives it to you straight, someone you can really trust. Listen to them and consider what they tell you very carefully. I suggest that she does the same.

That is, if you both still want to be together and to make something of this. If not, then I'm afraid all you can do is put it down to experience and try to learn from it, but I would still run it by a close friend to see what can be learned from this.




SailingBum -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 2:00:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I almost forgot... the first thing you did was chastise this dude for dating a whore... hey, some of the nicest women are whores... even if they aren't for you


From the OP 1st post

The other side of everything was our life goals. One of her darkest kinks is to actually start escorting. She had done it for a month or so before but quit because her partner (another escort she shared an incall apartment with) was INSANE. Other than her partner she had nothing but positive things to say about it and REALLY wanted to do it again


Perhaps English in not your first language.  His gf and roommate were running a "escort service" previously read PAID to have SEX.  Perhaps I should have type prostitute instead of whore.  Furthermore the OP wants to be the "manager"  read PIMP.  That makes it ummmm Felony wrong at least here in the US. 

Let me know how your reading comprehension works out for you.  Intolerant of someone else kink my ass.  See you have to be able to read AND understand the written word before commenting.  The operative word there is "understand".

BadOne







rhpaw -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 2:15:13 PM)

Sometimes two people are so much alike it can become competitive. Someone might view a person with their same desires as an obstacle or competion.




heartcream -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 2:19:32 PM)

When I first read the post late last night, I thought the OP was Whiplash. Then he posted and I thought I was right. I still think it is but what do I know, I thout VAA was Ron and how wrong was I?





Jeffff -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 2:28:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

When I first read the post late last night, I thought the OP was Whiplash. Then he posted and I thought I was right. I still think it is but what do I know, I thout VAA was Ron and how wrong was I?



Ron is MODERATE!!!!!!!!!..... you will soon be awaiting approval!


An Innocent Bystander




heartcream -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 2:36:05 PM)

How long have I been awaiting approval anyway?




Jeffff -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 2:45:57 PM)

Thats a good point.... have you asked anyone?




heartcream -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 2:50:36 PM)

I asked Ron but turns out he aint mod.




sissyboy63 -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 3:26:03 PM)

I'm quite interested in the age difference. You don't mention this. After reading your post in great detail i get the distinct impression that your talking to your daughter rather than a 'adult posesion' who is willing, with all her will, to give herself to you. What you are talking about is a normal relationship with you at the helm & as a dom i can understand that. Then you say that most of the changes she was willing to make were changes that she agreed to allow me to make, did you think about that thouroughy. We both had very similar kinks, so YOU thought you were compatible. I think these similarities made us rush into a relationship. I decided to back off to create an emotional bond. How do you create an emotional bond with someone you've backed off from. Too much too soon? Again, it sems to me that this is a person that clearly does'nt know what she wants but all the way through you hav'nt once said you understand or sympathise with someone who is clearly having, at the very least a crisis of confidence. When she told you she wanted to wait did you give that any relevance? & then by your own words, getting back in touch with her was hard she told you she did'nt want to do it. If i had'nt walked away allready then i would be questioning my own needs or was the time & money the overiding priority. Even if it was cold feet, did you totaly dissregard that aswell. The missing good morning text was probably pretty all she thought she had to do as a long line of trying to tell you to go away nicely, even though you required it, although anybody with an onche of sence would of allready relised at that point that you have lost all respect & love from this person & then YOU decide to punish HER by disconecting yourself from the very person you aspire to want to be with, seems to me that your getting younger as she's becoming more mature. Your 'punishment did'nt have the desired affect then, why am i not suprised, it seems to me that you've missinturptitied this girl & this entire relationship with a vigour that would be hard even for me to understand, even with all my many failures...Groovy, i'm not the only mad head then. It dose'nt suprise me in the slightest that she deleted your fetlife account & everything else pertaining to what ever sort of relationship you thought you might have had & never responded to any of your contacts. I suspect that the contacts part of this relationship was more to do with you than her allbeit maybe missguided. It seems to me that she grew up while you stood still & she ended up calling all the shots. You fell in love, we all do at some point. Did you ever realise that falling in love made you the submissive, even for a short while? Maybe this a lesson, i've read your post & laughed a lot, not because it's funny but because it's about as real as harry poter. Nice one, got me thinking.




lucylucy -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 4:09:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MyOtherProfile2

One of her darkest kinks is to actually start escorting. She had done it for a month or so before but quit because her partner (another escort she shared an incall apartment with) was INSANE. Other than her partner she had nothing but positive things to say about it and REALLY wanted to do it again. . . . Then she texted me and told me to wait as she wanted to think about it. I gave her some time and when I finally got back in touch with her (not an easy task) she said she no longer to do it. . . . I still couldn't get in touch with her. She wouldn't answer her phone or texts. Later the next day she removed any trace of me in her profile and still wouldn't respond to my calls and messages.



Others have given very thoughtful responses to the entirety of the situation, so I will just focus on the part I excerpted above. This chunk of the story sends major alarms off in my head. I wonder if she never actually tried escorting in the past and simply fantasized about it. She presented it to you as something she definitely wanted to do, using the "fact" that she had done it and enjoyed it before as "proof" to you that she would follow through. However, when push came to shove, she panicked (understandably) and things began to unravel.

Also, the ex-partner being insane . . . yeah. Everyone always blames the other person for being insane, but maybe your girl is the crazy one.

Good luck.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 4:17:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heartcream
When I first read the post late last night, I thought the OP was Whiplash. Then he posted and I thought I was right. I still think it is but what do I know, I thout VAA was Ron and how wrong was I?


I can give 100% reassurance it ain't me... Lord, my relationship woes or issues are extremely simple in comparison. I swear it ain't me. I've been too busy keeping things to myself anyways. I've sort of perked up on the boards lately though.

Geeeesshhh... Trust me, the girl I'm involved with has been going on for a over a year and half now. It ain't me. Good Lord, if or when she reads this thread she'll probally get a laugh out of this though. :-P




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 4:20:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream

When I first read the post late last night, I thought the OP was Whiplash. Then he posted and I thought I was right. I still think it is but what do I know, I thout VAA was Ron and how wrong was I?




Okay, I seriously have to ask this question, what in the world made you think it's me?




sexyred1 -> RE: I would love some serious insight on my limbo (1/21/2010 4:23:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lucylucy


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ORIGINAL: MyOtherProfile2




Also, the ex-partner being insane . . . yeah. Everyone always blames the other person for being insane, but maybe your girl is the crazy one.

Good luck.


Uh...no...I never blame my ex partners for being insane...not at all...I mean, you could ask them if I ever blamed them..but...it's kind of difficult to find them....since they all relocated...I mean scattered...I mean their various body parts....are scattered....everywhere...but no, I would not say, they were insane, absolutely not. [sm=couch.gif]




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