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FatDomDaddy -> Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/21/2010 3:01:12 PM)



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul

So much for reconciliation, which would have been a major disaster.

It's going to be interesting now to see if the Soros, Kos, Move-On folks deliver on their promise to go after the so called blue dogs and really hold the Democrat Party at fault for failing as they said they would do? (As did many a left marching CM poster also proclaimed)

Oh... and Gitmo is still open too... Think the Democrats running for re-elections were afraid to vote for the health care bill... well Senator-elect Brown's line "Our tax dollars should be pay for weapons to stop them (terrorists) and not lawyers to defend them.” likely has them sleeping with the lights on, behind triple dead bolt locks!




FirmhandKY -> RE: Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/21/2010 3:06:12 PM)


What was the Administrations promise on Gitmo? "A year" ends when?  In a week?

Firm




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/21/2010 3:31:19 PM)

Remember that scene in Patton, when he takes Palermo and both Jodi and Montgomery exclaim Damn!

I am thinking the same thing happend when this came out. "Christmas: Islamic Bomber attemts and fails to blow up plane in Detroit,"

Al Qaeda: Damn!

Hopeful Gitmo Closers: Damn!




Slavehandsome -> RE: Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/21/2010 3:36:47 PM)

Who will pay the price? HAHA Of course, the taxpayers will!




Slavehandsome -> RE: Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/21/2010 3:38:19 PM)

And, actually, Obama's words in regards to Guantamo Bay, "at least a year".




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/21/2010 3:44:27 PM)

the Obama andminstration is pushing Congress to increase the debt ceiling another $1.9 trillion, so don't give me the taxpayers.

The in charge, had the votes Democrat Party have failed on promised health care reform and on closing Gitmo.

Your posts shows a willingness to look the other way




pahunkboy -> RE: Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/21/2010 3:55:32 PM)

Who is this woman?




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/22/2010 10:48:07 PM)

jumping ship so soon?

Congressional strategists had warned in the closing days of the Massachusetts Senate race that a Coakley defeat had the potential to trigger a series of retirements within the Democratic ranks as members flee a political wave that could wash out dozens in the House and high single digits on the Senate side.

"My message to my clients? Jump ship now," said one Democratic operative who advises a number of targeted Members of Congress. "Obama can't help you."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/scott-brown-wins-massachusetts-senate-race.html




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/22/2010 10:55:49 PM)

Reconciliation was never a real option. Every single line of the legislation has to be debated on and voted on individually to determine if the primary purpose is budgetary or policy, and policy still requires 60 votes. There would have been about 2 lines left of each of the 2000 pages after they got done.




rulemylife -> RE: Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/22/2010 11:45:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Reconciliation was never a real option. Every single line of the legislation has to be debated on and voted on individually to determine if the primary purpose is budgetary or policy, and policy still requires 60 votes. There would have been about 2 lines left of each of the 2000 pages after they got done.


You do realize both of Bush's tax cuts traveled the reconciliation process?



Think Progress » GOP Senators Who Used Budget Reconciliation


Today, Politico reported that Republican senators are prepared to go “nuclear” — essentially shutting down the Senate through the use of parliamentary maneuvers — if President Obama attempts to use budget reconciliation to pass key parts of his legislative agenda, such as health care reform and cap-and-trade.

Reconciliation allows some legislation to be protected from filibusters and passed by a simple majority. On NPR this morning, Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO) repeated a now familiar attack on budget reconciliation:
BOND: “In this post-partisan time of Barack Obama, we’re seeing a little Chicago politics. They steamroller those who disagree with them, then, I guess in Chicago, they coat them in cement and drop them in the river.” [NPR, 3/24/09]
Bond appears to be parroting his colleague Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH), who said any use of budget reconciliation by President Obama would be “regarded as an act of violence” against Republicans, and likened it to “running over the minority, putting them in cement and throwing them in the Chicago River.”

Other GOP senators have chimed in against reconciliation, with Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) calling it a “purely partisan exercise” and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) saying it “would be a mess.”

Despite their howls against Obama, Republicans employed the same procedure to pass major Bush agenda items (which were supported by all four aforementioned Senators):
– The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01]
– The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03]
– Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06]
– The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05]
As ThinkProgress has noted, Gregg defended using the reconciliation procedure to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for domestic drilling in 2005, arguing, “The president asked for it, and we’re trying to do what the president asked for.” Evidently, Gregg has lost the same sense of patriotic duty.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Pelosi Caves, Health Care DOA, Gitmo still open... who will pay the political price? (1/23/2010 10:06:46 AM)

Yes, that was because they had Democrats who were either afraid of voting against them or were smart enought to know the economy needed them. Democrats went along and tehy were past.

For the Health Care Bill, many current Democrats know that pushing this bill through reconciliation will be political suicide and other porgressive Democrats in the house that want NO part of the senate Bill on principal.

As to the forums Democrat and Obama apologists, their silence on Gitmo is priceless.




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