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DomKen -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 11:11:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

TARP was the Bush administration's plan.






No, it wasnt, and repeating the same lie endlessly doesnt make it true.

What? It was written by GWB's SoTreasury and passed by Congress at the Bush administrations urging and signed by GWB himself.




Fellow -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 11:40:46 PM)

Big Finance's top ten favorite lawmakers: (2009 donations) ( http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/01/big-finance-donations-congress )

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) $1,735,900 The Street's favorite Dem fought regs for derivatives, credit ratings, and accounting Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) $1,019,110 As majority leader, signed off on TARP; all finance-related bills need his approval Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) $944,950 Junior senator voted against the bailout twice—perhaps she'll come around Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) $745,698 Once a deregulation fan, he's now facing a reeelction fight—and pushing for reforms Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) $499,197 Minority whip's October '09 (!) op-ed said Americans underappreciate derivatives Sen. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.) $458,008 Used to retool bankrupt companies for conservative billionaire Philip Anschutz Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.) $423,873 Ex-VP at Goldman Sachs, member of pro-business New Democrat Coalition Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) $409,300 As ag committee chair, she must sign off on any new derivative regulations Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) $382,349 Financial Services Committee chair has called for "death panels" for failing firms Rep. Melissa Bean (D-Ill.) $364,875 Tried to weaken consumer protection bill, voted against taxing giant AIG bonuses




rulemylife -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/22/2010 11:56:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

TARP was the Bush administration's plan.



No, it wasnt, and repeating the same lie endlessly doesnt make it true.


Were you in a coma for eight years, just woke up and are trying to learn what you missed?




LookieNoNookie -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/23/2010 4:52:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

TARP was the Bush administration's plan.



No, it wasnt, and repeating the same lie endlessly doesnt make it true.


Were you in a coma for eight years, just woke up and are trying to learn what you missed?



(If he was, it was during the period wherein which Palson and others wrote the TARP legislation {who was the Treasury guy under Bush} and passed it 2 months prior to Obama taking office, and indeed, authorized approx. 200 billion dollars of distribution before handing the remaining funding over to Obama's authority).




StrangerThan -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/23/2010 5:52:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I find it funny that the same Financial industry that profited most from the bail out, is stamping it's foot and crying now.


fuckers


What I find funny is that no matter which money is discussed, you, I, and the rest of the American public will actually foot the bill. If we bail them out, we pay. If we fine them, they increase fees, interest,  create new charges, we pay. Actually, what's funny isn't the thought that we pay, it is that the debaters seem to think the money will just materialize out of thin air. Sort of makes the 4th payment to the same set of institutions. Pay your original bill. Bail them out and pay them to stay in business. Pay increased interest and fees. Pay the additional fees that will come when we punish them. Oh, yes, give them bonuses during it all.

In the meantime, between China and Obama, one of them may be able to drive in the last nail of the economic coffin this year.




pahunkboy -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/23/2010 5:58:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I find it funny that the same Financial industry that profited most from the bail out, is stamping it's foot and crying now.


fuckers


What I find funny is that no matter which money is discussed, you, I, and the rest of the American public will actually foot the bill. If we bail them out, we pay. If we fine them, they increase fees, interest,  create new charges, we pay. Actually, what's funny isn't the thought that we pay, it is that the debaters seem to think the money will just materialize out of thin air. Sort of makes the 4th payment to the same set of institutions. Pay your original bill. Bail them out and pay them to stay in business. Pay increased interest and fees. Pay the additional fees that will come when we punish them. Oh, yes, give them bonuses during it all.

In the meantime, between China and Obama, one of them may be able to drive in the last nail of the economic coffin this year.


..and "I" am the crazy one by saying centralized power is a bad thing.  Go figure.




mnottertail -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/23/2010 5:59:43 AM)

Yes, I expect China's restrictions on money lending had absolutely no effect whatsoever.

Ron




SeekingAZ -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/27/2010 2:26:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


What I find "funny" is how the very guy who claimed we had to pull out all the stops in order to save the financial industry is now intent on destroying it or driving it overseas.

Check out what Bloomburg had to say:

Bloomberg Hammers Obama, Congress Over Bank Plan



I find two things funny.  First, that you are quoting a man who made his money in the financial sector and presenting him as unbiased toward Wall Street and the banking industry.

The second is that conservatives seem to have developed some sort of unexplained amnesia, forgetting that TARP was the Bush administration's plan.



Yeah, TARP, was signed by Bush and that plan was: Buy the stupid fucking loans we *FORCED* the banks to make *BY REGULATION* (as in you'll make these loans or we'll put you out of business kind of regulation, thank you Jimmy Carter, Christopher Dodd, Bill Clinton, Barny Frank and Barak Obama, twice over for our man-child President). Never mind Congress was controlled by the Democrats, and Bush was either going to sign this bill or get no help at all. The vast majority of conservatives (that understand why these loans were made) would agree a bail-out had to occur. It's the fact that not a *DAMN THING* was or has been done to address the root cause that makes the money spent on TARP a total waste. Bush was a liberal on domestic issues which will always reduce the rate of growth of the economy, but, he had nothing to do with the banking collapse that is driving this crisis.

Obama gets in office and all of a sudden the TARP money was used to buy stock in the banks instead of being used for it's original intentions so Chairman Obama could tell the banks how to run their businesses. The community reinvestment act under Jimmy Carter (and modified under Clinton) regulated (as in forced) the banks into providing the loans that took this system down. The ironic thing is lawsuits from ACORN about banks not providing enough inner city loans were part of the impetus to all this bullshit. (Guess the name of an involved ACORN lawyer, I double dog dare ya).

So if you find it funny, well, ignorance is bliss, enjoy getting back to nature in the coming Depression.

Oh one other thing, it kills me who Democrats find "biased". Wall Street on money issues, Oil companies on oil issues. Like these groups of people would know anything about the money system and economy for the former or how to actually reduce gasoline prices for the latter. A President with absolutely no accomplishments to his name that would qualify him to the office of town dog catcher is a much more reliable source of information to a shocking large percentage of this Country. Hence ignorance isn't really bliss, it's actually a galatically screwed Country.




housesub4you -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/27/2010 8:18:04 AM)

If you look at the foreign markets, the fall in the the USA market had nothing to do with what Obama said except for maybe a few bank stocks.  What happen overseas in China is what made every market fall including the US markets

China announced it was stopping lending because they where beginning to see a balloon market in Real Estate like the one that started here.  But China made a move to slow the rise in property values so the same thing would not happen.

Multi national companies borrow billions from China and their credit limit just got lower, so earnings are not going to be as great as they thought.

if you look at the foreign markets at their opening you will see they all start to fall with the US market being the last to open

It was covered by the BBC and other forgiven news agencies, but somehow the "liberal" press in this country decided it was Obama fault




Lucylastic -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/27/2010 8:22:22 AM)

everything is obamas fault, end of story, no facts or thruth  need to be shown just believe the mantra.
worship at the pyre of the fall of the country, but dont forget its alll his fault.......
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Sanity -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/27/2010 11:07:30 AM)

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A President with absolutely no accomplishments to his name that would qualify him to the office of town dog catcher is a much more reliable source of information to a shocking large percentage of this Country. Hence ignorance isn't really bliss, it's actually a galatically screwed Country.


I read a comment on a Reuters page that nailed that thought awfully well:

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“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”


Depressingly true, every word.




Sserpentia -> RE: stocks plummet as Obama talks of curtailing banks (1/27/2010 2:18:13 PM)

Please get your heads out of your asses. At some point you need to get rid of the "last eight years" mantra. Clinton is the one who loosened the regulations of the banks in 1999! He admitted that!

Anyone ever hear the names Chris Dodd and Barney Frank??? Hmmm??? Fannie Mae? Freddie Mac?? Anyone?? Sorry, I forgot...it's so much easier to find a scapegoat. Nevermind.




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