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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 3/6/2010 6:38:34 AM   
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I agree that Obama hasn't been enough of a leader so far. What he needs to do is demand health care reform and refuse to sign any bill that doesn't contain a public option. Why should he or anyone care if some insurance companies go out of business when insurance companies don't care if their clients die because of them labeling life saving treatments as "experimental" and refusing to pay?

















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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 3/6/2010 6:41:12 AM   
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Oh yes your analysis is so insightful....for a 10 year old

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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 3/6/2010 6:44:25 AM   
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You say that now but you will change your mind when someone close to you dies because of an insurance company's refusal to pay.

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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 3/6/2010 9:28:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I agree that Obama hasn't been enough of a leader so far. What he needs to do is demand health care reform and refuse to sign any bill that doesn't contain a public option. Why should he or anyone care if some insurance companies go out of business when insurance companies don't care if their clients die because of them labeling life saving treatments as "experimental" and refusing to pay?



Sadly, he can't control half of the democratic party, so his dwindling majority isn't letting him get anything done. I might even have some sympathy for his situation if he didn't give the impression that he preferred it that way as it lets him talk about the need to change stuff while providing an excuse to change nothing.















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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 3/6/2010 11:56:02 AM   
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Wall Steet funded Obama.

yay for Wall Street.



PaHunk, correct, and now "WE" are funding Wall Street.

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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 3/6/2010 12:23:07 PM   
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I am about sick of you, you fucking puke, here you sit, all along sucking at the government trough, running your fucking mouth, telling us how you fucked off and got by in the coast guard until retirement, how waterboarding was an innocent prank you used to use on new cg to 'initiate' them, and pretty much fucked off on the us citizens tax dollar (oh, if I have to go get the posts popeye.....) and dont have a fucking clue about anything except what a clever fellow you are for being a professional welfare patient on government dole------how we aught to quit subsidizing people who dont appreciate our country....

Bush signed the Wall Street bill.....not Obama ---

Lets start with you leech motherfuckers, reduce you to only social security....dump your fucking healthcare.......lose your extraneous govt benis...

cuz I know you wasnt there when VA was getting cut for us veterans you fucker, I know you wasnt there fighting for the rights of individual americans fucker, i know you wasnt there period.



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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 3/6/2010 2:21:28 PM   
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Somebody is cranky and needs a nap..........

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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 3/6/2010 2:25:59 PM   
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somebody is a lying pretending cowardly sockpuppet who needs to go over in the corner by his dish and lay down.

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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 3/6/2010 2:29:20 PM   
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Obama can demand health care reform until he's blue in the face. He is the President, not king.

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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 3/6/2010 2:41:19 PM   
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you are the one afraid to flesh out your accusation Mnot. That is being a coward.

Who else do you think I am? Don't be a little pussy. Make your accusation.

you can't argue politics, so lets play your little troll game of personal insults.

Its all you got

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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 4/4/2010 8:50:15 PM   
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hello dana, what do you mean when you say HURT the girl?

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RE: Obama - failure, but change is coming - 4/4/2010 10:37:09 PM   
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Because the Supreme court is reviewing hisĀ  citizenship status. ..and July is when they get to it.



He may be a citizen, and it may not matter.
No less a case than Marbury v. Madison holds (obviously in part) not only that every phrase in the Constitution is unique, but also that any argument to the contrary is "not competent" (unworthy of consideration). "Citizen" is not "natural born citizen".
M de Vattel, in Law of Nations, published in 1758, gives the first definition of "nbc" that I can confirm (Vattels work was in part a translation from the Latin of Wolffs tome of a similar title. I do not know if Wolff originated the phrase and defined it, to be subsequently translated by Vattel; if the phrase and definition are entirely the work of Vattel; or if Vattel modified/refined something from Wolff. For that matter, Wolffs work was based upon only God knows what sources; there are probably many antecedents).
I do know the Founding Fathers were familiar with Vattel; his definition was certainly the one known and used by the FFs. And I do know that Vattel defined "natural born citizen" as one who met four requirements:
1. His mother was a citizen.
2. His father was a citizen.
3. He was born in-country.
4. He was not beholden to any foreign power at the time of his birth.
BHO meets, at the very best, two of those requirements.

My question, since I thought all of the suits against BHOs eligibility had been tossed for lack of standing by the plaintiffs, is: why is the SCOTUS reviewing the matter.

Off-topic: I thought at the SOTU that his rude hectoring of the Justices had no real upside and a lot of potential downside. Arrogant, rookie move.

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