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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 9:34:50 AM   
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I guess I really don't know a fuckin' thing about American politics...



We agree on something!!!!!



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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 9:35:26 AM   
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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 9:41:09 AM   
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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 10:41:23 AM   
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I agree with you about Obama. I think you're overestimating Brown.

The Republicans aren't big on independent change-makers. They'll expect him to march in step, or they'll ostracize him.


It seems like Brown pretty much campaigned as #41 or the guy who could stop all of this. Whether he follows suit once he gets to the Senate remains to be seen. And, yes - they will hang him from the highest tree if he rocks the boat. If he shows up as #41 I am not over estimating him. Parties in the minority seem to be more willing to vote in bloc fashion in a circle the wagons effect. It's when they get the majority that the factions start to come out. I don't think we'll see many filibusters. Maybe not even one. The threat of being able to do it will be powerful.


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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 10:43:01 AM   
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The "supermajority" was always more myth than reality. Getting 60 senators to agree just isn't as easy as it might sound.

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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 10:43:27 AM   
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And I am still yawning, it isnt a big deal at all, no bigger than the tea party shit that was touted so recently was a big deal.


It's truly amazing how meaningful it was to one side to get 60 potential votes but now how insignificant it is that the other side has 41 potential votes. This new math is just plain kicking my ass.




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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 10:45:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Spins aside, the key word there was always potential. But they pulled it off at times.

I've no doubt the 41 will vote as a block. They always do. It's what cost moderate Republicans their seats in 2006.



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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 10:54:12 AM   
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And I am still yawning, it isnt a big deal at all, no bigger than the tea party shit that was touted so recently was a big deal.


It's truly amazing how meaningful it was to one side to get 60 potential votes but now how insignificant it is that the other side has 41 potential votes. This new math is just plain kicking my ass.



Never was meaningful to me, might have been meaningful to one side, although I dont know what side that would be, I know talking heads were spouting pure bullshit (dont matter what the count is) and pontificating, but just like always, not anywhere near right on the implications, outcomes or realities.

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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 10:55:43 AM   
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no, mostly old retired people and maybe a dozen kids


I am sure it can all be made better with a blow job. I mean, really, what is a tea party without one?

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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 10:56:42 AM   
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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 10:57:21 AM   
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Vincent, isn't anything that gets people more involved in their government a "good" thing?


Ummm..popeye, how about you climb over the fence at the south lawn of the White House and run naked through the rose garden waving a protest sign? Get you involved enough?

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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 10:58:27 AM   
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I don't know about that.
The "supermajority" was always more myth than reality. Getting 60 senators to agree just isn't as easy as it might sound.


Not it is not, but it does happen. Form recent headlines:

Washington (CNN) -- The Senate passed a historic $871 billion health care reform bill Thursday morning, handing President Obama a Christmas Eve victory on his top domestic priority. The bill passed in a 60-39 party line vote after months of heated partisan debate. Every member of the Democratic caucus backed the measure; every Republican opposed it. Republican Sen. Jim Bunning of Kentucky -- a staunch opponent of the bill -- was the lone senator to miss Thursday's vote.

I don't think that it's an unreasonable stretch to think that the same 60 senators would have also voted to end a filibuster had it been levied. We'll never know. Some senators might vote in favor of a measure but inexplicably not vote to end a filibuster of it. Still, the GOP has it's back against the wall in Congress right now - or had. Right now all it really has in its favor is the threat of filibuster but since that stops things cold it's a powerful tool. Al Franken became a big deal. We'll have to see if Scott Brown follows suit.




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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 11:02:01 AM   
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I love the way you Liberals are trying to convince yourselves that you're not in trouble. I wonder how many are really buying it... 

Where did you get your copy-and-paste from, vincent? What was your source?


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Well, at least you went to see for yourself, Ron.

Here's some background info from Wiki on who is supporting/encouraging/in-bed-with the Party. Some very familiar names here, so not much of a surprise in what you found.

FreedomWorks is a "coalition partner" of TeaPartyPatriots.org, but does not fund the site in any way.

FreedomWorks is a conservative non-profit organization based in Washington D.C., United States. FreedomWorks trains volunteer activists and wages campaigns to encourage them to mobilize, engage fellow citizens, and influence their political representatives. Several of FreedomWorks' campaigns have been described as "astroturfing," or projecting the false impression of grassroots organizing.[1][2][3] FreedomWorks' spokesmen have denied this characterization.

FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity both originated from a campaign called Citizens for a Sound Economy, which split in two in 2004. CSE was set up by businessman (Koch Industries), David Koch, who has also promoted liberty and research organizations (Cato Institute and Reason Foundation).[4] Citizens for a Sound Economy (grassroots machine) merged with Empower America (policy expertise) in 2004 and was renamed FreedomWorks, with Dick Armey, Jack Kemp and C. Boyden Gray serving as co-chairmen, Bill Bennett focusing on school choice as a Senior Fellow, and Matt Kibbe as President and CEO.[5] Empower America was founded in 1993 by William Bennett, former Secretary of HUD Jack Kemp, former Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, and former Representative Vin Weber.[6]

FreedomWorks seeks to identify itself with two schools of thought: the Austrian School of economics and public choice theory. Through public choice theory, FreedomWorks legitimizes its mission and models itself after the Austrian School.[citation needed] Citizens for a Sound Economy is chaired by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. Publisher Steve Forbes serves as Vice Chairman of Citizens for a Sound Economy.[citation needed]

President and CEO Matt Kibbe, a former aide to Republican Representative Dan Miller and a former staffer at the Republican National Committee, said that the group "will encourage Republicans -- and Democrats -- to take positions on issues of individual freedom." Armey said that "Ronald Reagan launched a political and intellectual revolution, and the Contract with America expanded it. Today, it’s time for the next wave.[citation needed]We have a rare window to make the big ideas of individual ownership and economic opportunity a political reality for all Americans. That’s the purpose of FreedomWorks."[citation needed]
Congressman Ron Paul was the first Chairman of CSE.[citation needed]

In 2009, FreedomWorks responded to the growing number of Tea party protests across the United States, and is currently one of several groups active in the "Tea Party" tax protests.[7]

On August 14 2009, after Armey's leadership of FreedomWorks became a problem to his employer, the lobbying and legal firm of DLA Piper, he was forced to resign from his job there. DLA Piper chairman Francis Burch responded that the firm serves clients “… who support enactment of effective health care reform this year and encourages responsible national debate." It is unknown whether this move will impact Armey's role with FreedomWorks. [8]

Deceptive "grass roots" movement imo.

Vince



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But seriously folks, read carefully. I said it was from Wiki.

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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 11:07:55 AM   
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And I am still yawning, it isnt a big deal at all, no bigger than the tea party shit that was touted so recently was a big deal.


It's truly amazing how meaningful it was to one side to get 60 potential votes but now how insignificant it is that the other side has 41 potential votes. This new math is just plain kicking my ass.



Never was meaningful to me, might have been meaningful to one side, although I dont know what side that would be, I know talking heads were spouting pure bullshit (dont matter what the count is) and pontificating, but just like always, not anywhere near right on the implications, outcomes or realities.

Ron




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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 11:08:23 AM   
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They served tea (not much and black (and icky) with no milk or sugar available, heathens) although I prefer white and then green in that order.


That would be enough to get me to leave...lol

Michelle Bachman scares me....

These tea parties are not grass roots, they are sponsored by right wing think tanks and their corporate sponsors... so I am not surprised you had that experience....


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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 11:10:31 AM   
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no, mostly old retired people and maybe a dozen kids


I am sure it can all be made better with a blow job. I mean, really, what is a tea party without one?


Tea and strumpets, anyone?

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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 11:15:51 AM   
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we could skip the tea if you like.

Ron


Ron, don't give up on the tea/blow job thing so quickly.  Some of the best bjs I've had where when blower had a mouth full of warm liquid - tea, coffee, hot chocolate.  As a matter of fact, one of the blowers still calls me asking if I'd like to come over for hot chocolate - not in my mouth, mind you.

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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 11:17:05 AM   
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They served tea (not much and black (and icky) with no milk or sugar available, heathens) although I prefer white and then green in that order.


That would be enough to get me to leave...lol

Michelle Bachman scares me....

These tea parties are not grass roots, they are sponsored by right wing think tanks and their corporate sponsors... so I am not surprised you had that experience....




Oh, she was doing her finest twatwaffle, for real, dawg!!!!!!!! Standing ovation 300 people there 299 stood.


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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 11:18:37 AM   
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RE: I went to a party - 1/23/2010 11:23:55 AM   
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Oh, she was doing her finest twatwaffle


lmao.... ha ha


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