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michaelGA -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/3/2006 5:33:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thegreymistress

I am understanding about those who say bi is an issue for them. That can be worked thru. If they draw a line and say no matter what no then I explain to them there are other people out there that they can find to serve.If the issue with the male is "fear of gay activities" the threat to ones manhood, that too can be worked thru if the sub/slave is willing. I firmly believe in communication and being up front about concerns and issues real  or imaginary.Therefore, explaining up front that to serve me in the way I desire they must be willing to play with men. If that is something they could not do under any circumstance and are not willing to even dabble then they are not for me. One way to harmlessly test....blindfold and allow oral to happen on them w/o them seeing the sex of the person. Allowing  both a female and a male to blow them.....getting consent of course for them to be blindfolded and blown, the sex of the person blowing is irrelevant and I found guys can give better bjs than females....



i do not fear gays...i just dislike men...gay or straight.

if i were female, i would be a devout lesbian



thegreymistress -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/3/2006 5:41:09 PM)



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i do not fear gays...i just dislike men...gay or straight.

if i were female, i would be a devout lesbian

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I understand what you are saying....My opinion is all bodies are a work of art and can be appreciated and enjoyed...You are stating plainly that you dislike men . Personal choices, fortunatly we are all individuals withthe ability to choose our lives....*smiles*



michaelGA -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/3/2006 5:56:14 PM)

true, but what bothers me the most is that, being male, i'm often expected to like sports (which i do not). this has often made people accuse me of being gay because i do not like things men like, which is just plain wrong.



UtopianRanger -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/3/2006 6:02:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: michaelGA

true, but what bothers me the most is that, being male, i'm often expected to like sports (which i do not). this has often made people accuse me of being gay because i do not like things men like, which is just plain wrong.


Mike.....

Many guys don't like sports, so I wouldn't hold that against you...... However, if you talk with a lisp, I'll start to wonder.[8|]


 - R



TeeGO -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/3/2006 7:46:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Misstoyou

If you're taking count, I fall in the "doesn't share well, so no interest in forced-bi" camp. But these forums don't give a real statistical sampling of opinions of the overall CM Domme population anyway. So I certainly wouldn't be re-thinking how I feel about my dominance, submission, or anything else solely based on opinions here, TeeGO.

It's not just this thread, it's with my Domme and her Dom hunt, combined with this. Just so strange all this happening . Just a few minutes ago we were talking about something two different Dom's are doing trying to woo her. I broke into the dueling banjos calling it dueling Doms. I then stopped and said, "I would have to bring ‘Deliverance’ into this," to which she asked, "Freudian slip?", which of course I said "Not a chance."

Questioning oneself is not always a bad thing, growth can come from it. By no means am I giving up.

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ORIGINAL: thegreymistress

IMO there are a good number of men who have that block and feel the way to do TeeGo...it is something that can be worked thru with the right people involved. It can be a very emotional process and takes time and care. Someone who is knowledgeable in bi and the male mindset can work one thru the whole gay bi thing. This society raised men to be in positions that as adults they run into walls and issues. No doubt society is changing, into what remains to be seen. Exploring the body of a person that shares your sex does not make one bi or gay in my book. In my experience sexual activity is a beautiful thing does not matter the body it matters the act and feeling behind it. Looking at the bigger picture and the enjoyment of being physical.


This is not much different than what my Domme said to me a while back. But honestly I can’t say I’d want to break through this block. Your probably right, this is probably some homophobia I still posses drilled into me by society. It’s too ingrained in me, the thought isn’t repulsive, it’s hard to explain. It just feels contrary to everything that I am.



thegreymistress -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/4/2006 4:51:21 AM)

to michaelGA....taking into consideration we all posess free will and the ability to like and dislike whatever we choose. It makes us individuals and who we are. I as a female find shopping abhorrent, I also do not like chick flicks. I am who I am and btw I don't like sports either....*smiles
TeeGO....Not all people wish to break thru the barriers that hold them, there is nothing wrong with that. We all make our choices on what  kinds of things we do in our lives. We choose the foods we like and dislike. I dislike spinach even though it is good for me. I will not ever attempt to like it for any reason. On the other hand I love brussel sprouts, not a common like for most people. Point is, I  do not feel it is pertinent that every male share my beliefs as every male is not tailored for me. As a person i relish in the differences humans portray. I enjoy discourse and exploring differences and similarities in people. I am glad we are not made from the same mold, even if it is the mold of my choosing. Quite frankly, I would not be able to keep up with billions upon billions of slaves all tailored for me. There are ways to get over your reservations slowly. Build up your trust and work safely. Not just with  a situation of bi , with any situation. I understand you are happy not exploring male on male interaction. As I said before not all wish to, it is a big step , the ultimate sacrifice for most. As the Beatles said...Let it Be.....



MistressChloes -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/4/2006 9:04:47 AM)

As a Domme, I have forced my subs into bisexual activities as a means of their submission and proving to me that they truely do what I tell them.  I do not find it as important if the subject IS bisexual... not as much as for those who are not.  I have done it, will do it again..... and frequently will not accept a "sub" if he says he will not do "homosexual" activities.  First the attitude is that he is not truely obedient and second I do not consider them homosexual since I.......A WOMAN........ is involved.




steven43 -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/4/2006 2:42:06 PM)

If a domme wants me to try "forced bi" and it isn't a part of any hard limits, i will do want my domme wants me to



slavehenryPDX -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/4/2006 2:56:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressChloes

As a Domme, I have forced my subs into bisexual activities as a means of their submission and proving to me that they truely do what I tell them. I do not find it as important if the subject IS bisexual... not as much as for those who are not. I have done it, will do it again..... and frequently will not accept a "sub" if he says he will not do "homosexual" activities. First the attitude is that he is not truely obedient and second I do not consider them homosexual since I.......A WOMAN........ is involved.




This is the whole deal right here. How much do you wish to submit? I've always been straight. But I served a Woman a few years ago and was the having the Session of My Life. The more she did, it made me that much more crazed. I was freakishly attracted to her not only physically but also to her style of Domination.
During our session she kept hearing her front door being pounded. She thought it was a neighbor she had accepted a package for, so she ignored it. Finally she got fed up and answered the door. It was another subbie, who couldn't reach her on the phone and was dying to serve her (I know how he feels). She came back to me after answering the door, clearly upset. She told me the story and said she was going to banish him for being such a pest. Maybe it was how I was looking up at her from the floor; I don't know. She got a twinkle in her eyes and said, "Do you trust me?" Of course I enthusiastically replied that I did. She said, "Do you want to do something to make me happy?" We know what the answer to that was.
She put rubbers on both of us, tied us together into a 69 position, and made us have a "suck-off". First one to cum lost. She fingered herself while we did it, getting her face very close to our faces, to see how we were reacting. (She told me later that the other subbie had been a real homophobe. He won the contest, BTW.)
We had never talked about forced bi; it had never come up in any discussion. But there was no doubt then that I would do anything to please her.
She later hoooked me up with a Male Dom in the city I live in, and while he Dominated me she was on the phone with him. In other words, it's only exciting for me if it is making her excited.
I still don't "wonder" about my sexuality. I'm sexual. And I'm at my best when serving a truly Dominant Woman, who gets excited by making me serve her.
(Sadly, she is out of the business. That's why I'm here; looking for someone to take her place.)

I never thought I was into showers, either, until it happened in just the right way. Context is EVERYTHING.


henry



SimplyV -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/4/2006 3:20:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressChloes

As a Domme, I have forced my subs into bisexual activities as a means of their submission and proving to me that they truely do what I tell them.  I do not find it as important if the subject IS bisexual... not as much as for those who are not.  I have done it, will do it again..... and frequently will not accept a "sub" if he says he will not do "homosexual" activities.  First the attitude is that he is not truely obedient and second I do not consider them homosexual since I.......A WOMAN........ is involved.




Well I think I understand your logic.. but I do have to say I don't agree with you.  If someone thinks a certain act is homosexual, then guess what.. to them it is.

As for him not wanting to do that activity and stating it up front, and you saying its a sign of him not being truely obedient.  Then do you also not respect someone's limits and tell them that if they have any limits of any kind they then are not obedient?

I haven't really responded to this thread.. yet.  But I'm more interested in the person than in the "activities" they will or will not perform for me.  There are things I like and will want to do whether or not they're involved.  There is a common ground of acceptance and openness that will need to be established.

Other than that.. I concentrate more on the relationship aspect and who they are as a person is much more important than whether they are bisexual or not, what they're limits are or aren't.. or anything else.

There is something to be said for compatible interests in activities of course.  But to say that someone isn't submissive enough or obedient enough because they put a limit on a particular activity is assinine.  Thats about like saying, this sub won't let me treat him like a human pinyata so he's just not submissive.

Subs - find someone who will accept you for you.  If you don't want to play with others, then find someone who wont make you.  Its that simple. (and there are Dom/mes like that out there too) 

For every kink.. there is an equal and opposite kinkster.



michaelGA -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/4/2006 3:27:41 PM)

i couldn't have said it better myself



TeeGO -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/4/2006 6:03:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyV

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ORIGINAL: MistressChloes

As a Domme, I have forced my subs into bisexual activities as a means of their submission and proving to me that they truely do what I tell them.  I do not find it as important if the subject IS bisexual... not as much as for those who are not.  I have done it, will do it again..... and frequently will not accept a "sub" if he says he will not do "homosexual" activities.  First the attitude is that he is not truely obedient and second I do not consider them homosexual since I.......A WOMAN........ is involved.




Well I think I understand your logic.. but I do have to say I don't agree with you.  If someone thinks a certain act is homosexual, then guess what.. to them it is.

As for him not wanting to do that activity and stating it up front, and you saying its a sign of him not being truely obedient.  Then do you also not respect someone's limits and tell them that if they have any limits of any kind they then are not obedient?

I haven't really responded to this thread.. yet.  But I'm more interested in the person than in the "activities" they will or will not perform for me.  There are things I like and will want to do whether or not they're involved.  There is a common ground of acceptance and openness that will need to be established.

Other than that.. I concentrate more on the relationship aspect and who they are as a person is much more important than whether they are bisexual or not, what they're limits are or aren't.. or anything else.

There is something to be said for compatible interests in activities of course.  But to say that someone isn't submissive enough or obedient enough because they put a limit on a particular activity is assinine.  Thats about like saying, this sub won't let me treat him like a human pinyata so he's just not submissive.

Subs - find someone who will accept you for you.  If you don't want to play with others, then find someone who wont make you.  Its that simple. (and there are Dom/mes like that out there too) 

For every kink.. there is an equal and opposite kinkster.


Thank you SimplyV.



collaredsub2006 -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/4/2006 6:24:40 PM)

in regards to the forced bi experience..i took a completely straight married male and turned him into a complete cum sucking slut within 6 months...male sex and all. he did it for me because he knew it excited me..and he wanted to see me excited..and he wanted to prove to me just how submissive he really was..so yes i would suggest trying to get your subs to do such things. you have to guide them, and love them, and make them realize that your not doing this to punish them, but to blossom them into what they really are!!!!



michaelGA -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/4/2006 6:32:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: collaredsub2006

in regards to the forced bi experience..i took a completely straight married male and turned him into a complete cum sucking slut within 6 months...male sex and all. he did it for me because he knew it excited me..and he wanted to see me excited..and he wanted to prove to me just how submissive he really was..so yes i would suggest trying to get your subs to do such things. you have to guide them, and love them, and make them realize that your not doing this to punish them, but to blossom them into what they really are!!!!


so, you're implying that all men and bi/gay?

i think not. there's no way in hell i would ever allow myself to be abused in such a manner. i'm certain that others out there may (reluctantly) agree with me...even if you clain it's not out of punishment, but out of love. i could never submit to a Mistress who would not except, much less adhere to, a hard limit such as this.



SenseofBelonging -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/5/2006 9:52:14 AM)

let me preface this by saying that i've always been straight with no curiosity issues at all. having said that, i know Mistress enjoys watching two males and that at some point i will be told to participate in that. when She accepted my submission, She made it very clear that the only limits i would be allowed were those things that She considers may be harmful to me, either physically, mentally, or emotionally, and that i am expected to trust Her judgement in that regard. anything and everything else is fair game, within Her own limits (which, incidentally, correspond nicely with my previously held limits). i'm not particularly looking forward to servicing a male, but i know the pleasure Mistress will take from my willingness to please Her and i will revel in providing Her that pleasure.



michaelGA -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/5/2006 10:10:11 AM)

that may be for you, but i will stand by my hard limits and would certainly hope whatever Mistress i do end up serving will except that...it's non-negotiable.



MistressLorelei -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/5/2006 10:55:01 AM)

While I believe that hard limits should be respected... I think that having a submissive who would put his complete trust in Me to know what would benefit or harm him or the relationship we share is the gift of ultimate submission.  I would not abuse it, but use it to make the bond which exists between us stronger.  What feels wrong in our situation would be our limits.



michaelGA -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/5/2006 11:01:34 AM)

it is my firm belief that is would cause me emotional harm to break this hard limit.



alex311 -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/5/2006 11:06:49 AM)

Something that hasn't really come up is that "forced bi" covers a lot of territory.  Most on here seem to be talking about being forced to suck cock.  I think that's probably easier for most "straight" submissive boys to take than being forced to kiss, make out, interact emotionally, etc. with another man.  Some Dommes may decide their sub boy can stop at sucking another man with a condom while wearing a blindfold, but I know there are some who take it farther, to the extent of really addressing issues of sexual preference, perhaps even "coupling up" boys short-term.  Know what you're getting into if you say "forced bi" is on your list.  Thoughts?



sublace -> RE: Forced bi as a must?! (4/5/2006 11:07:38 AM)

I would have no problem doing forced bi.  Bring it on, I love being fucked with a strap-on so why not being fucked with the real thing.  I'm willing, is there anyone who will have me do it??

sublace



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