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DomKen -> RE: You have been deceived! (imagine that!) (1/26/2010 5:06:21 PM)

Nancy Bergeson was a federal public defender and not a tax evader. She did represent a single tax evader but there is no indication she was going to win teh case or was privy to some earth shaking knowledge. As a matter of fact all indications is she was murdered by one or another client who was unhappy with being convicted.

Wilhem Schmitt appears to be in a federal prison in MN.

So what point were you trying to make?




Real0ne -> RE: You have been deceived! (imagine that!) (1/26/2010 6:00:39 PM)

FR

The real purpose of that post was not to argue the specific case in as much as the OP.

Its in the title.

The idea was to watch the video and then voice your opinions if we have been and are being decieved.

Regardless if someone won or lost a tax case is the government conducting affairs and operating in a manner that we would like them to operate?

That is why the title says what is does.

You have been deceived!

oh btw, winning and losing in court when you go up against the government in a tax case rarely has anything to do with right or wrong.





IRSAgentSmith -> RE: You have been deceived! (imagine that!) (1/26/2010 6:16:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Additionally agenteur of the government might be among the members here. I saw no provision in the TOS that prohibits government employees from participating here.

In other words - don't become a target.

T


I'm not such a bad guy...once you get to know me.




pahunkboy -> RE: You have been deceived! (imagine that!) (1/26/2010 6:33:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IRSAgentSmith


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Additionally agenteur of the government might be among the members here. I saw no provision in the TOS that prohibits government employees from participating here.

In other words - don't become a target.

T


I'm not such a bad guy...once you get to know me.



-- now look at what you done.

I thought I had alot of time on my hands.




Termyn8or -> RE: You have been deceived! (imagine that!) (1/26/2010 11:50:59 PM)

"I'm not such a bad guy...once you get to know me."

Ever hear of Joe Bannister ?

T




SeekingAZ -> RE: You have been deceived! (imagine that!) (1/27/2010 4:15:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

into paying taxes you do not owe!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521758492370018023

This has been on here for over 3 years but for those of you who have not seen it this guy covers some great ground in how NOT to file.....that does not mean I am saying do not file taxes for those who already had such evil thoughts.


Theft By Deception - Deciphering The Federal Income Tax
The misrepresentation and misapplication of the United States federal income tax constitutes the largest acquisition of wealth by way of deception in history. A handful of government lawyers fabricated an intricate maze of legalese which created a perfectly Constitutional tax (a tax on income derived from certain types of international and foreign commerce), but which at the same time could easily be misread to give the impression that the income of all Americans is subject to the tax. For decades, the American people have been "conditioned" to believe that the income tax applies to all income and trained to pay "their" taxes. All the while, however, hidden in a previously nearly universally misunderstood (therefore misapplied) section of the law known as Subchapter N, Section 861 was the truth that the income tax is NOT a direct tax on incomes but is an indirect tax imposed only on those individuals engaged in certain types of international and possessions commerce. Most Americans are engaged in purely domestic commerce (commerce that occurs entirely within and between the 50 states). Subchapter N proves that domestic income received by residents of the United States (most incomes) is not taxed, due to Constitutional restrictions on Congress' power to tax. The misrepresentation and misapplication of the United States federal income tax constitutes the largest acquisition of wealth by way of deception in history. A handful of government lawyers fabricated an intricate maze of legalese which created a perfectly Constitutional tax (a tax on income derived from certain types of international and foreign commerce), but which at the same time could easily be misread to give the impression that the income of all Americans is subject to the tax. For decades, the American people have been "conditioned" to believe that the income tax applies to all income and trained to pay "their" taxes. All the while, however, hidden in a previously nearly universally misunderstood (therefore misapplied) section of the law known as Subchapter N, Section 861 was the truth that the income tax is NOT a direct tax on incomes but is an indirect tax imposed only on those individuals engaged in certain types of international and possessions commerce. Most Americans are engaged in pur...all » The misrepresentation and misapplication of the United States federal income tax constitutes the largest acquisition of wealth by way of deception in history. A handful of government lawyers fabricated an intricate maze of legalese which created a perfectly Constitutional tax (a tax on income derived from certain types of international and foreign commerce), but which at the same time could easily be misread to give the impression that the income of all Americans is subject to the tax. For decades, the American people have been "conditioned" to believe that the income tax applies to all income and trained to pay "their" taxes. All the while, however, hidden in a previously nearly universally misunderstood (therefore misapplied) section of the law known as Subchapter N, Section 861 was the truth that the income tax is NOT a direct tax on incomes but is an indirect tax imposed only on those individuals engaged in certain types of international and possessions commerce. Most Americans are engaged in purely domestic commerce (commerce that occurs entirely within and between the 50 states). Subchapter N proves that domestic income received by residents of the United States (most incomes) is not taxed, due to Constitutional restrictions on Congress' power to tax



God, not this shit again.

Assuming you have enough income to have to file and owe taxes, please follow your own advice for ten years then post your results, assuming your jail warden allows Internet access.

Most of what the government does these days is unconstitutional. I don't know if whatever it is you posted is constitutional or not but I do know anyone that uses it to avoid paying taxes will end up in jail sooner or later.





Real0ne -> RE: You have been deceived! (imagine that!) (1/27/2010 5:28:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SeekingAZ

God, not this shit again.

Assuming you have enough income to have to file and owe taxes, please follow your own advice for ten years then post your results, assuming your jail warden allows Internet access.

Most of what the government does these days is unconstitutional. I don't know if whatever it is you posted is constitutional or not but I do know anyone that uses it to avoid paying taxes will end up in jail sooner or later.




so you do not see a pattern of deception?

so if its not constitutional why do you let them do it?




flcouple2009 -> RE: You have been deceived! (imagine that!) (1/27/2010 8:35:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Gotta love this.
So there are a group of people who choose to live in the most prosperous nation on earth, partaking of its abundent blessings, among them being the surpassing safety and liberty of knowing you will never in your lifetime have to worry about being invaded and killed by a foreign nation;
Knowing that you are surrounded by a velvety soft cradle to grave governmental system of police, fire, hospitals, of streets and highways and airports and harbors of a social welfare system and court system that buffers you from the hard edges of the economic jungle.

And after taking, taking, taking, after suckling at the teat of this system all year long, when April 15 arrives, they lay on the floor kicking and screaming "NO NO NO I don't wanna pay for any of it"

Fuck. At least once a week I read in the paper about a 22 year old kid who gets his arm blown off, or a piece of shrapnel embedded in his skull, or comes home in a body bag, as part of his service to his country.

And now I see on tee vee some teabagger wearing a tricorner hat whining because he is asked for 28% of his net taxable income. While wearing a God-damned flag lapel pin, and a "Freedom isn't Free" T-shirt.

Fuck. I can't think of what else to say, just fuck.


Couldn't have said it better.
They don't want to pay any taxes but they certainly want the fire department to show up if their home catches fire. Tey wasn't the FBI to keep those terrorist of the plane they're taking on vacation but damn if they wanna pay for it. 

Fuck 'em they get everything they deserve.




Real0ne -> RE: You have been deceived! (imagine that!) (1/27/2010 8:54:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

quote:

ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Gotta love this.
So there are a group of people who choose to live in the most prosperous nation on earth, partaking of its abundent blessings, among them being the surpassing safety and liberty of knowing you will never in your lifetime have to worry about being invaded and killed by a foreign nation;
Knowing that you are surrounded by a velvety soft cradle to grave governmental system of police, fire, hospitals, of streets and highways and airports and harbors of a social welfare system and court system that buffers you from the hard edges of the economic jungle.

And after taking, taking, taking, after suckling at the teat of this system all year long, when April 15 arrives, they lay on the floor kicking and screaming "NO NO NO I don't wanna pay for any of it"

Fuck. At least once a week I read in the paper about a 22 year old kid who gets his arm blown off, or a piece of shrapnel embedded in his skull, or comes home in a body bag, as part of his service to his country.

And now I see on tee vee some teabagger wearing a tricorner hat whining because he is asked for 28% of his net taxable income. While wearing a God-damned flag lapel pin, and a "Freedom isn't Free" T-shirt.

Fuck. I can't think of what else to say, just fuck.


Couldn't have said it better.
They don't want to pay any taxes but they certainly want the fire department to show up if their home catches fire. Tey wasn't the FBI to keep those terrorist of the plane they're taking on vacation but damn if they wanna pay for it. 

Fuck 'em they get everything they deserve.



lets see now....

In a city of 1 million

That accounts for about what?  maybe a nickel from every tax payer!

You people are hilarious.




DomKen -> RE: You have been deceived! (imagine that!) (1/27/2010 9:54:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009


Couldn't have said it better.
They don't want to pay any taxes but they certainly want the fire department to show up if their home catches fire. Tey wasn't the FBI to keep those terrorist of the plane they're taking on vacation but damn if they wanna pay for it. 

Fuck 'em they get everything they deserve.



lets see now....

In a city of 1 million

That accounts for about what?  maybe a nickel from every tax payer!

You people are hilarious.


In a city of 1 million 5 cents per taxpayer, assuming no one isn't paying the tax for any reason, comes out to the huge sum of $50,000 dollars. That's enough money to pay, maybe, 2 firefighters. It won't buy them any equipment and it won't fund any FBI agents. So in the real world where people want fire, police, military, courts, environmental protection, schools etc. taxes are going to have to be high enough to pay for all of that.




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