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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 4:12:29 PM   
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To be fair....it's posted on the Politics section of the boards...

Now pardon me.... i need to inform my two that if they kill me, i will put them on a time-out worse than any time out ever imagined!!!!!!


So what you are saying is that you are happy that Monroe's father is dead, right?

I thought so.

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 4:42:40 PM   
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The kid may have confessed to it being about cleaning duties but the likeliness is that there was more to it and that is simply how his mind rationalises the event. Not mentally fit to face trial or to give a confession that bears any resemblance to the truth in my opinion.

How anyone can argue such a crime would be committed by a sane individual I couldn't ever understand.


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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 6:59:14 PM   
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The kid may have confessed to it being about cleaning duties but the likeliness is that there was more to it and that is simply how his mind rationalises the event. Not mentally fit to face trial or to give a confession that bears any resemblance to the truth in my opinion.

How anyone can argue such a crime would be committed by a sane individual I couldn't ever understand.



How can anyone argue that any violent crime is committed by a sane individual? Was Manson sane? Timothy McVeigh? Ted Bundy? Son of Sam?

It's actually very easy to believe that this kid could do such about chores. Children are taught at a very early age that if their parents do "something" they don't have "live like that," and can contact Children's Protective Services. These kids are not able to conceptually understand the difference between abuse and responsible parenting. So many children in society today think that they don't have to do anything. Yes, a HUGE portion of that is caused by the parents.

My son has tried to pull that number on my quite a few times. Once, the cops were called and he tried to tell them I abused him (keep in mind he is a teenager and definately stronger than me). The police asked him some questions, all of which he said "no" to. They then explained to him that if I needed to beat his ass to keep him in line, that I was permitted to do that. I couldn't beat him with a belt and leave welts. I couldn't use a lead pipe, burn him with cigarettes or cause other physical injuries. I further couldn't call them and ask them to do it for me, but if necessary, I could call them and they would come and watch.

Does this 14 year old have some issues? I'm sure he does. Does what he did mean those issues are that his mother and stepfather abused him, molested him or neglected him? Highly doubtful. Should he be charged as an adult? Yes he should. At 14, he was well aware of what he was doing. He might have shot his mother out of anger that he couldn't control, but he laid in wait for the stepfather for several hours, that is premeditation.

Should he get life without parole? Hard to say. But he shouldn't be eligible for at least 20 years and for that entire time, he should be receiving psychiatric care. Unlikely that will happen.

But to say that this kid is "rationalizing" what he did by saying it was over chores and making excuses are what makes the youth of today so often be out of control to begin with.

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 7:08:39 PM   
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To be fair....it's posted on the Politics section of the boards...

Now pardon me.... i need to inform my two that if they kill me, i will put them on a time-out worse than any time out ever imagined!!!!!!


So what you are saying is that you are happy that Monroe's father is dead, right?

I thought so.
Look....don't put words in my mouth. Put OTHEr things there....but not words.

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 7:13:55 PM   
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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 7:27:26 PM   
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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 7:29:49 PM   
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Guns don't kill people, people do.



Stupid people don't talk, words do.

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 7:33:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Micheal was a farm boy. His life was literally like the old joke. "What do you do when you get up in the morning ?" "Well we milk the cows, gather up some eggs and fetch a bottle of milk out of the cooler, sometimes we go spread some manure or plant or plow". "Oh yeah ? And then what ?" "We eat breakfast". Literally this is how it was. Now what is the difference between the two ?

Could it be that one is raised to have a work ethic and appreciates the support of his guardians, and is willing to help out ? And the other was raised with a sense of entitlement, and didn't want to pull his weight ?

These things are pretty much decided one way or the other way before age 14. As much as I hate to say it, his Parents were probably fucking useless. They certainly failed raising him. At least Monroe saw abuse of HIS OWN MOTHER. This kid literally didn't want to take out the trash ? I wonder what would be his punishment for that. Loss of allowance ?

And as harsh as it may sound, if he killed them but there was no abuse involved on their part, he should be executed. It is too late. If this kid would kill to avoid taking the trash out, what do you think he will do when he wants drugs or a new video game ? I give up, get him off my planet. Fuck it. A wasted life is a shame, but it has already happened. You can't even call this kid subhuman, akin to an animal. Animals are not known for killing their parents.

Let cases like this be a lesson to those who indiscriminately go out and make babies and do not raise them. What went around came around, and it is coming for him now. He didn't even run away like some kids. Hell at 14 he surely had plenty of people to hide him. If he was actually abused he had CPS or whoever to call. Maybe he didn't because he didn't want to go to foster care. Well we have a nice chair for him, with some interesting seat belts. It is not a matter of hate. It is a matter of solving problems one at a time. It is not a matter of revenge. It is a matter of prevention. Think of YOUR Mother at the ATM when this kid need a pair of $200 tennis shoes. What will he do ? Solve the problem and he will do nothing. He may even set a record for the youngest murderer to ever be executed.

I don't know about you, but I have no desire to pay his bills for the next sixty years.

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 7:37:44 PM   
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Micheal was a farm boy. I don't know about you, but I have no desire to pay his bills for the next sixty years.



See, if you put it that way, it's far more convincing... it's all in the editing, darling.



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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 7:39:54 PM   
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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 8:01:46 PM   
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Send the kid to Gitmo.


Do you need an agent *drooling*  ? There's work for you out there, baby!

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 8:23:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is just a "sign of the times", in which we live. It was all forseen by the "Prophets", of the old and new testaments of the Bible, as well as the Mayans, American Indians, and other early cultures. It is as clear as day to an unbiased, educated, bright human, that these are trying, times, getting progressively, worse, in just the past 100 years.
It is so ironic, that this simple, concept, also covers the concepts of human morality,
justice, truth, respect, and all other virtues, of humanity, and possbky even the Creator and/or the Creators themselves. Listen and learn !

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 11:08:08 PM   
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This is just a "sign of the times", in which we live. It was all forseen by the "Prophets", of the old and new testaments of the Bible, as well as the Mayans, American Indians, and other early cultures. It is as clear as day to an unbiased, educated, bright human, that these are trying, times, getting progressively, worse, in just the past 100 years.
It is so ironic, that this simple, concept, also covers the concepts of human morality,
justice, truth, respect, and all other virtues, of humanity, and possbky even the Creator and/or the Creators themselves. Listen and learn !

Honestly,
Curtis Lee Matile



Humanity has been committing atrocities upon each other since the beginning of humanity. The only difference between 'then' and 'now' is that our methods of communication is better, thus we hear about them more often, and that there are more of us. Obviously when you have more people, you'll have more people who commit atrocities.

If you think a fourteen year old boy killing his parents is a 'sign of the times'. Well. Take a look at the Romans. Or the Mayans, the Incans, Hell, the Germans during the Nazi days. Take a look at any culture in the history of humanity and you will find horrid things happening. Humans are creatures of variety. We are capable of great good and great evil. As well as everything in between.

We have always been a society focused solely upon ourselves. A natural oxymoron.

One kid going psycho and killing his parents isn't anything special, when compared to the scope of human history. I promise you that he isn't the first, nor will he be the last.

That said, it is sad.

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 11:25:58 PM   
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C'mon, give the kid a break- he is an orphan, fer cryin' out loud!


ROFLMFFAO!!!!!!

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/26/2010 11:41:42 PM   
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Guns don't kill people, people do.

I agree.

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/27/2010 4:52:03 AM   
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Guns don't kill people, people do.


And if we outlaw guns then we are left with gasoline. But in all fairness, had they used a gun they would have escaped that arson charge and had only a murder charge to deal with.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-mom-on-fire,0,6942288.story
Her daughter, Samantha, and her boyfriend 15-year old Jack Ault are accused of pouring gasoline on Broadhead's bedroom floor and bed, and then set the room aflame.
They have both been charged with attempted murder and arson after the fire.

We can't blame the gun for these types of crimes.  There is obviously a deeper, more serious issue.

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/27/2010 8:35:45 AM   
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How can anyone argue that any violent crime is committed by a sane individual?

Few are sane, often temporary insanity is used as a defence.
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Was Manson sane? Timothy McVeigh? Ted Bundy? Son of Sam?

I doubt any of these people are sane I guess you have to gauge how well they understand the consequences of what they do and go from there. It doesn't mean you can't remove them from society for being insane, you just can't expect them to be judged at a trial; in terms of their motives for committing a crime.
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It's actually very easy to believe that this kid could do such about chores. Children are taught at a very early age that if their parents do "something" they don't have "live like that," and can contact Children's Protective Services. These kids are not able to conceptually understand the difference between abuse and responsible parenting. So many children in society today think that they don't have to do anything. Yes, a HUGE portion of that is caused by the parents.

My son has tried to pull that number on my quite a few times. Once, the cops were called and he tried to tell them I abused him (keep in mind he is a teenager and definately stronger than me). The police asked him some questions, all of which he said "no" to. They then explained to him that if I needed to beat his ass to keep him in line, that I was permitted to do that. I couldn't beat him with a belt and leave welts. I couldn't use a lead pipe, burn him with cigarettes or cause other physical injuries. I further couldn't call them and ask them to do it for me, but if necessary, I could call them and they would come and watch.

Whenever I've seen parents physically chastising in public it appears to me as the parent getting to the end of their tether and just losing it rather than a dispassionate attempt to guide the children to better ways of living. I see it as a nonsense justification and it creates this inability of the authorities to decide what counts as legitimate chastisement. If you think children learn to respect you and what you say when using this tactic then I can tell you for a fact that for certain types it'll have the opposite effect and they'll lose all respect for what you say from the first time you do it. It only teaches people that disagreements can be resolved with violence, if you can’t reason with them then you have plenty of other ingenious ways to punish them considering they are dependants and so enjoy a standard of living based on what you choose to provide them with.

We won’t ever agree on this topic thus it is best avoided.
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Does this 14 year old have some issues? I'm sure he does. Does what he did mean those issues are that his mother and stepfather abused him, molested him or neglected him? Highly doubtful. Should he be charged as an adult? Yes he should. At 14, he was well aware of what he was doing. He might have shot his mother out of anger that he couldn't control, but he laid in wait for the stepfather for several hours, that is premeditation.

Good that you know all the facts of the case and it's background from a single police interview, I like to keep an open mind and see people as innocent until after all the facts are established and made public.
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Should he get life without parole? Hard to say. But he shouldn't be eligible for at least 20 years and for that entire time, he should be receiving psychiatric care. Unlikely that will happen.
But to say that this kid is "rationalizing" what he did by saying it was over chores and making excuses are what makes the youth of today so often be out of control to begin with.

Well it doesn't seem sane to me to use that excuse because a sane person would know such triviality would not be seen by authorities as justification for murder. It would be like him saying god told him to do it, the motive has to fit the magnitude of the crime for the trial process to work. When police are looking for motives to build a case do ‘household chores’ often figure? The whole trial process is based on finding evidence that the crime was committed by this person and then indicating realistic motives for why he did it. Motives have to be understood in terms of realistic gains from what the suspect had before the crime, realistic in a way that we could all see. I.e. he killed for money we all want a pay rise. Or he killed someone to stop opposition to a business deal. Something tangible that we as a jury could condemn him for because there are legal ways to achieve the same or if not we’d be prepared to face the music rather than kill. We have to be able to judge the way he goes through life in the context of the alternative legal way we approach it, to condemn.




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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/27/2010 12:58:47 PM   
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Guns don't kill people, people do.


Lots  easier to shoot someone then stab them.

Dumb post.

Edited to add: I have to admit that I am still rather giddy over the passing of Munroe's father.


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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/27/2010 4:08:47 PM   
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This is just a "sign of the times", in which we live.

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Humanity has been committing atrocities upon each other since the beginning of humanity. The only difference between 'then' and 'now' is that our methods of communication is better, thus we hear about them more often, and that there are more of us. Obviously when you have more people, you'll have more people who commit atrocities.


Exactly. People ask, "what's going wrong with people today?", well, nothing that hasn't been going wrong since it started.

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RE: 14 Year-Old Boy Admits To Killing Parents To Get Ou... - 1/27/2010 5:04:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		The kid didnt kill his folks the terrorists did it.

The thing about guns is, if you get rid of guns you need to get rid of all of them. To only leave them in the hands of the government and the like is kind of spooky in my opinion.

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