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Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 5:38:43 PM   
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/jackson/2010970,CST-EDT-jesse26.article

Jobs are indeed needed, but how much more can the deficit expand?

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 5:42:40 PM   
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This comes from a guy who never made an honest dollar in his life. He is a con and a shakedown artist.

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 5:45:26 PM   
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Well if other nations had such a huge deficit it would definitely ruin their credit rating with the rating agencies, I don't know how that works I think the deficit can grow to any figure as long as the US agrees to pay it back at some point in the future.

It's a bit like Monopoly where one person is winning and they keep lending other people money just so the game can continue to be played as they haven’t yet built their hotel empire on Park Lane.


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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 6:19:56 PM   
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Slash the military budget use whatever amount that is for these social experiments. Not a penny more.

Deficits are not the solution, tax increases are not the solution. Shifting non-productive activities to productive ones would help, and the military is as unproductive as they get, what does a missile produce? what do 10000 ICBM's produce, what do 10's of thousand armed men in the prime of their life produce when shoved into a desert with guns.

All those things could be necessary but they aren't right now in the quantity we maintain.

It's crazy we are going broke, and still spending the largest fraction of our Federal dollars on the portion of the government devoted to destruction.

How about 300 Billion a year for defense. We still need defense of course, 300 billion would be about what Europe And Russia Spend combined. That's enough, that would free 300 billion a year, or 3 trillion over 10 years, that could be put towards more productive activities other than designing subsonic crowd control devices or jet fighters, or billions of rounds of ammo.







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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 6:20:55 PM   
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what does a missile produce? what do 10000 ICBM's produce, what do 10's of thousand armed men in the prime of their life produce when shoved into a desert with guns.




your safety and security

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 6:21:31 PM   
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what does a missile produce? what do 10000 ICBM's produce, what do 10's of thousand armed men in the prime of their life produce when shoved into a desert with guns.




your safety and security


Bullshit, it doesn't take 600 billion a year to provide that.

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 6:29:50 PM   
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According to Dick Cheney, Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.


Politics makes some strange bedfellows.

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 6:32:51 PM   
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what does a missile produce? what do 10000 ICBM's produce, what do 10's of thousand armed men in the prime of their life produce when shoved into a desert with guns.

your safety and security


Well then we are doomed. Between Defense and Homeland Security, we spend about 900 Billion dollars per year. Every year. That is nearly 1/3 of all our spending.

It is 1/2 of every dollar you send to Washington.

If we can't be secure without spending 1/2 our tax revenue on defense and security, then we are going to be bankrupt, regardless of what else we do. No nation can spend that much on its defense, and maintain a healthy economy.

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 6:34:25 PM   
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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 6:36:19 PM   
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According to Dick Cheney, Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.


Politics makes some strange bedfellows.


Jesse and Dick in bed together.... wasn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse?

Good point on the defense budget, that HAS to be reduced, somehow.


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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 7:00:35 PM   
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It's obvious why this guy is not President. Maybe after a few more years of dumbing down he might make it though.

Create jobs doing what ? Weatherizing public builings ? You mean the buildings where the doors open several hundred times a day, and are equipped with those oh so efficient forty foot cathedral cielings ? Give me a break, the heating bill is going to be more than most of us make no matter what. More highways that fall apart when much better technology is available, yet it is not used because it would cost jobs ? Eliminating government employment, eliminate redundant jobs and then what ? One third of the people in this country work for the government either directly or indirectly. Take it down by half and you exaserbate the unemployment problem. What's more many of those government employees are practically unemployable in the private sector, even if there were jobs. I wouldn't let most politicians wash my car.

None of this matters anyway. Without a solid sustainable base of exports, all we are doing is shifting around the same pile of money within our borders. The new money printed is going for interest. Even though I did not support Ross Perot, I would really like to know what he has to say about this mess. At least there is half a chance that he knows what the fuck he is talking about. And Jackson was not much farther from the Presidency.

You want to forget about the deficit, be my guest. But just do it right. Refuse to pay. This will cause a great deflation and it's about time. Forestalling the inevitable never does any good. The wealth will never be created to remove the yoke of debt from around our necks, at least under these conditions. Our natural resources leave this country for offshore factories and are returned as finished product at an alarming rate. As long as this situation continues there is no way out. Either we get back to work or have hell to pay.

Nationalise the debt, the currency and all control thereof. Let the dollar drop to it's real value, which is maybe 10% of what it is thought to be now. We don't have to become an isolationist nation for this, but our money will not be worth as much which would vastly increase the costs of imports, something that no efficiency expert in China could ever hope to overcome. In other words, we are selling our future to prop up our present, and inadvertently are propping up those who sell us cheap and poisoned goods. They will fall with us, but do have other markets, it's just that we are the largest.

If you look at the overall numbers, the goods we produce, the ones we buy on credit from abroad and add them up, we should be fucking ashamed of ourselves.

Realize though, that under the right guidance we can recover, but I am not holding my breath. You can't "create" jobs. Get that through your head. Most people who work for the gov don't really have jobs. Yes a few do, but in large part it is just a place to shuffle paperwork and harrass the people. Collect fines and such. There is no product. In math if you multiply by zero the product is zero. This is where we are at.

So you can't create jobs, so what can be done ? Create an environment where jobs create themselves. Entrepeneurs willing to put their money where their mouth is should be encouraged, rather than taxed and regulated out of business in the first year. The guy with the formula for road surfaces that last 30 years instead of 3 should be let out of the box. Electric cars should be as spartan as possible, a beater with a heater, that's all most people need. I don't need a car that woun't run because one of the fucking speakers is blown or the airbags are disabled. I don't need a $2.000 TV, those are pieces of shit so I want it as cheap as possible, and that includes it lasting longer than the warranty.

We don't need to take over health care, just change the business environment to prevent the current gouging, self destructive trend. Bring the costs into line. We don't even need to regulate the banks, except to prohibit them from doing certain things - period. We don't need much more in the way of roads, take a look at Indianapolis for a clue. We don't need a plethora of new public buildings that cost at least three times as much of our money to build and maintain than it would if done by the private sector.

However the private sector must have constraints. Anyone who handles other people's money should be under scrutiny, but unfortunately we don't have the right people in place to do it.

As far as defaulting on the national debt, it is enivitable. Without drastic changes which will include alot more belt tightening for the average Joe, the government has to do it too, they are the biggest spender in the world. But then what do you expect when it does not come out of their pockets. We must default on the debt, it is just a matter of when. We can do it now while there is still just a bit left to soften the blow, or we can wait until it happens by force of business law.

The first few words are right. Fuck the deficit. But if we do it when we choose, it will go alot better. It's just the plan that stinks. Jackson knows nothing about making money. But then neither does Bush, Obama or almost anyone else in government.

Even administrators past who allowed this fractional banking Ponzi scheme to come to pass would be aghast at the outcome. In other words, with proper mnagement it could have gone on for alot longer. But then people had these yacht payments and mortgages and probably don't even remember how many houses they own. Their greed was insatiable. It still is apparently.

And not out of malice, to remove any vestige of hope for saving the current system, have a look at the total debt. What they tell you every year is what they are tacking on every year. Look at the TOTAL. It will soon exceed the GDP by the estimates of some financial experts. And in this case, I don't think the numbers lie, but if they do we are in much deeper shit than even I realize.

Enough for now.

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 7:01:37 PM   
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We could start by firing all the private armies we hire to do jobs our military use to do.  That should save a few billion

Look at what we are being charged for in Iraq simply for paper plated, Haliburton charges us $17.50 per paper plate (plus it takes 2 plates per meal, 1 for the food and the other to cover the food, per person)  and our military ships them over there for them.  There was just a special on PBS about this and others crap about Iraq as told by soldiers returning to FT Hood

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 7:04:17 PM   
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This comes from a guy who never made an honest dollar in his life. He is a con and a shakedown artist.

...and he's been listening to Dick Cheney..."Deficits don't matter."

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/26/2010 9:50:09 PM   
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..."ungovernable"


'too big to govern'?

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/27/2010 6:55:16 PM   
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While I have little respect for the Rush Limbaughs and Ann Coulters of this world, seeing as how they can shoot off their mouths about anything and not have responsibility to make things actually work, they at least need an audience to pander to.  Jackson doesn't even need that.

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/27/2010 8:38:52 PM   
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This comes from a guy who never made an honest dollar in his life. He is a con and a shakedown artist.

...and he's been listening to Dick Cheney..."Deficits don't matter."



Dick Cheney on Budget & Economy




Cheney to Treasury: "Deficits don't matter" Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was told "deficits don't matter" when he warned of a looming fiscal crisis.

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/27/2010 9:30:41 PM   
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This comes from a guy who never made an honest dollar in his life. He is a con and a shakedown artist.


I couldn't have said it better.

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/28/2010 7:23:18 AM   
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Isn't that what "Reverend" means ? Maybe someone should go edit wiki to that effect.

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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/28/2010 10:20:41 AM   
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Slash the military budget use whatever amount that is for these social experiments. Not a penny more.

Deficits are not the solution, tax increases are not the solution. Shifting non-productive activities to productive ones would help, and the military is as unproductive as they get, what does a missile produce? what do 10000 ICBM's produce, what do 10's of thousand armed men in the prime of their life produce when shoved into a desert with guns.

All those things could be necessary but they aren't right now in the quantity we maintain.

It's crazy we are going broke, and still spending the largest fraction of our Federal dollars on the portion of the government devoted to destruction.

How about 300 Billion a year for defense. We still need defense of course, 300 billion would be about what Europe And Russia Spend combined. That's enough, that would free 300 billion a year, or 3 trillion over 10 years, that could be put towards more productive activities other than designing subsonic crowd control devices or jet fighters, or billions of rounds of ammo.




Jobs! Which puts money into people's pockets who then spend it on family essentials or invest it. The circulation of money (known as the Velocity) is quite important to reviving the economy. The stall in lending on the part of banks to new business ventures is a major drag on the revitalization of the economy. Instead they invest in non-productive shares of other banks and financial institutions. They run from one crap table to the next. Bummers.


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RE: Jesse Jackson: Forget the deficit - 1/28/2010 10:30:49 AM   
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We could start by firing all the private armies we hire to do jobs our military use to do.  That should save a few billion

Look at what we are being charged for in Iraq simply for paper plated, Haliburton charges us $17.50 per paper plate (plus it takes 2 plates per meal, 1 for the food and the other to cover the food, per person)  and our military ships them over there for them.  There was just a special on PBS about this and others crap about Iraq as told by soldiers returning to FT Hood


You are probably correct about the inefficiency of the privatization that has occured. No surprise. There have always been war profiteers. However, it has freed up more troops for battlefield and technical essentials (computer, drones, etc) Might not a better solution be to closely supervise the private companies? We have a small, volunteer armed force - small for our ambitions. It might help also if we withdrew from so many places we are "protecting," ya think?

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