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51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Districts F... - 1/27/2010 4:11:07 PM   
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Keep demanding a public option and if they don't vote for it tell them you won't vote for them either.

51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Districts Favor A Public Option

A new Research 2000 poll conducted for Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Democracy for America shows that the American people still overwhelming favor a public option. The poll was conducted in 10 swing districts currently held by Democrats.

Even in swing districts, the majority of self-identified Republicans favor a public option. Like poll after poll, the numbers prove that the public option makes health care reform more popular, not less. The idea of a public option is incredibly popular with a broad cross-section of people, yet Democrats refuse to add it to health care reform as part of a reconciliation sidecar strategy.

Instead of paying for fixing the incredibly unpopular excise tax with the savings from a very popular public option, Democratic leaders are planning on more tax increases, and cuts to Medicare Advantage. This is such a politically stupid decision it makes my head hurt.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/26/51-of-self-identified-republicans-in-swing-districts-favor-a-public-option/
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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 4:22:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately the public option seems to be deader than King Tut...more's the pity

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 4:27:38 PM   
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Most do not want reform.   Not via this congress.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 4:31:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem is that "Choice" is a mirage. If the same people were asked a question that provided details about how that "choice" would be provided the results would be totally different. There are plenty of polls about the current Senate and House bills that prove that once you provide specifics about how choice is supposed to be achieved (without even explaining the reality, that choice would only be temporary), there is strong opposition overall, not just from Republicans.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 4:44:45 PM   
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The problem is that "Choice" is a mirage. If the same people were asked a question that provided details about how that "choice" would be provided the results would be totally different. There are plenty of polls about the current Senate and House bills that prove that once you provide specifics about how choice is supposed to be achieved (without even explaining the reality, that choice would only be temporary), there is strong opposition overall, not just from Republicans.


And how is that choice only temporary?

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 4:52:52 PM   
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The problem is that "Choice" is a mirage. If the same people were asked a question that provided details about how that "choice" would be provided the results would be totally different. There are plenty of polls about the current Senate and House bills that prove that once you provide specifics about how choice is supposed to be achieved (without even explaining the reality, that choice would only be temporary), there is strong opposition overall, not just from Republicans.


And how is that choice only temporary?


"Crowding out" has been discussed many times.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 5:12:08 PM   
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As I stated in another thread...if you gave 312 average citizens, or how ever many congressmen and women we have, the choice of the public option or just healthcare as presented.... The results would be for or against but by a mix of all political parties according to what would best benefit them. Personally I think the public option and healthcare would be in the majority.

But in Congress it is all Democrats one way and Republicans another... This to me says they are not bothering to poll their constituents …or only listening to the loudest voices….or following the party line for political gain.

If they were honest there would be a lot more Democrats voting against the healthcare bill and a lot more Republicans voting for.

I feel for Obama who is an honest compassionate man but entered Washington naïve. I hope he survives politically the next year because I think he will adjust and become a better more able President. If he had been more aggressive on healthcare and the economy he would have gotten more legislation passed before he lost his edge.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 5:13:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you pay any attention at all to the Senate race in MA ? They have the highest health insurance rates in the country. This is why Scott Brown was voted in. He vowed to block it.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 6:55:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dude...Massachusetts already has universal health care.

And Scott Brown also said he thinks the same would be good for the nation.

Unless he's a lying prick. I guess we'll find out!

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 7:21:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't think that poll question as worded was terribly useful. The question should have asked "Do you support the health care reform bill that Congress drafted?". Let's see what the results of that poll are.

How about "Do you support allowing health insurance companies to sell policies across state lines in the manner auto insurance policies are sold?". Let's see that one.

I don't oppose a public option. Give people who have no insurance an option from the government like Medicare so they can have health coverage. Then stop there. Won't happen. This issue has never been about providing people with health coverage who do not have it. If it was that simple it would have happened decades ago. It is about the government taking over control of  15% of the economy. Washington cannot balance budgets. They cannot effective manage Medicare, Social Security or even the post office. Why in the world would we allow them to take over the health care system?

Somehow the health reform proponents got this idea in their head that the other side doesn't want reform and doesn't care about folks who have no health care insurance simply because the other side just doesn't want to do it the same way that the proponents want it done. I think one side would like to fix what is broken while the other wants a massive overhaul for the sake of overhauling.




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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 8:06:43 PM   
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there is strong opposition overall, not just from Republicans.
Yet another example of the low intelligence/high gullibility of the average American

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 8:44:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am just disappointed that 75% of people in swing districts don't actually swing.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/27/2010 11:57:46 PM   
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51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Districts Favor A Public Option

A new Research 2000 poll conducted for Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Democracy for America shows that the American people still overwhelming favor a public option. The poll was conducted in 10 swing districts currently held by Democrats.


I'm sure the poll was extremely professionally done, with no leading question, and no questionable analysis, since it was done by the totally non-partisan and highly respected "Progressive Change Campaign Committee" and "Democracy for America" organizations, both of which have a long reputation in polling ....

Sheesss ...

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/28/2010 12:50:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually it ws done by Research 2000 for Progressive Change Campaign Committee abd Democracy for America but don't let the facts get in your way.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/28/2010 4:34:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why not do what Texas does?  There is a tax, income or property or something(it's early and I can't quite remember; sorry), and it goes into a pool.  That money is then siphoned down to hospitals, especially those who have medical students in them, and then health care is paid for.  By us.  When my sister had my niece, she wasn't able to pay for real health care, but she was able to get medical care because of that policy. 

Why not set up some sort of health care run by the states?  Allow inter and intrastate trade with health care programs?  Why not strength programs like CHIP and revamp WIC, Medicaid and Medicare?  Military health care and the like?  Health care for college students while they're getting their degrees? 

As a conservative, I support THOSE options.  As someone who doesn't currently have health insurance, I support those options. 


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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/28/2010 8:30:31 AM   
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Why not do what Texas does?  There is a tax, income or property or something(it's early and I can't quite remember; sorry), and it goes into a pool.  That money is then siphoned down to hospitals, especially those who have medical students in them, and then health care is paid for.  By us.  When my sister had my niece, she wasn't able to pay for real health care, but she was able to get medical care because of that policy. 

Why not set up some sort of health care run by the states?  Allow inter and intrastate trade with health care programs?  Why not strength programs like CHIP and revamp WIC, Medicaid and Medicare?  Military health care and the like?  Health care for college students while they're getting their degrees? 

As a conservative, I support THOSE options.  As someone who doesn't currently have health insurance, I support those options. 



The clinic model is the most viable solution to providing medical care to the uninsured. It already exists in many areas, and is underutilized.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/28/2010 8:56:52 AM   
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Why not set up some sort of health care run by the states?  Allow inter and intrastate trade with health care programs?  Why not strength programs like CHIP and revamp WIC, Medicaid and Medicare?  Military health care and the like?  Health care for college students while they're getting their degrees? 
As a conservative, I support THOSE options.  As someone who doesn't currently have health insurance, I support those options. 


These are all fine ideas, some of which probably work. It isn't that there is only one way to solve a problem. I am just curious as to why you carefully separate out these ideas, from others like a public insurance pool (the "public option") or single payer (like Medicare, expanded to cover everyone).
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to clarify- why your ideas are "conservative" is what mystifies me; Military care and Medicare are both single payer government run solutions- the sort of thing Sarah Palin freaks out about.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/28/2010 9:19:37 AM   
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Actually it ws done by Research 2000 for Progressive Change Campaign Committee abd Democracy for America but don't let the facts get in your way.


What, are we trading places?

Advocacy polling is advocacy polling.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/28/2010 11:40:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Actually it ws done by Research 2000 for Progressive Change Campaign Committee abd Democracy for America but don't let the facts get in your way.


What, are we trading places?

Advocacy polling is advocacy polling.

Firm


You made an incorrect statement and I corrected you. Your statement of gratitude for the correction seems to have been garbled somehow.

BTW if anyone actually cares the questions asked are included in the article linked in the OP, along with the fact of who actually did the polling on the first line of the article.

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RE: 51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Distric... - 1/28/2010 11:50:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Actually it ws done by Research 2000 for Progressive Change Campaign Committee abd Democracy for America but don't let the facts get in your way.


What, are we trading places?

Advocacy polling is advocacy polling.

Firm


You made an incorrect statement and I corrected you. Your statement of gratitude for the correction seems to have been garbled somehow.

BTW if anyone actually cares the questions asked are included in the article linked in the OP, along with the fact of who actually did the polling on the first line of the article.


Sooooo.... you don't consider this advocacy polling?

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