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Level -> Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 5:34:31 PM)
quote: Howard Zinn, an author, teacher and political activist whose leftist "A People's History of the United States" became a million-selling alternative to mainstream texts and a favorite of such celebrities as Bruce Springsteen and Ben Affleck, died Wednesday. He was 87. Zinn died of a heart attack in Santa Monica, Calif., daughter Myla Kabat-Zinn said. The historian was a resident of Auburndale, Mass. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100128/ap_en_ot/us_obit_zinn

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 5:38:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: Howard Zinn, an author, teacher and political activist whose leftist "A People's History of the United States" became a million-selling alternative to mainstream texts and a favorite of such celebrities as Bruce Springsteen and Ben Affleck, died Wednesday. He was 87. Zinn died of a heart attack in Santa Monica, Calif., daughter Myla Kabat-Zinn said. The historian was a resident of Auburndale, Mass. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100128/ap_en_ot/us_obit_zinn "leftist", lol. Thats like calling Pol Pot a social engineer.

servantforuse -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 5:41:19 PM)
I don't think that I ever read that one . If I did, I probably would still be working. I'm kind of glad that I missed it.

pahunkboy -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 6:00:19 PM)
I never heard of him.

luckydawg -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 6:23:05 PM)
He was just a marxist propagandist.

servantforuse -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 6:35:58 PM)
That's what I thought. Like I said, I'd probably still be working if I had read that pap. I'm glad that I'm a well off retired capitalists...

vincentML -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 6:50:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse That's what I thought. Like I said, I'd probably still be working if I had read that pap. I'm glad that I'm a well off retired capitalists... You criticize something you have not read on the word of someone else (dawg) who has not read it. It was a great read imo. Now that you are rich and retired you might give it a try. Then come back with an informed criticism. Be cautious, however. Lots of pages. Don't strain. Zinn was a long time anti-war and civil liberties activist who championed the liberties of the individual against the Power of the State.

Marc2b -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 7:15:11 PM)
My condolences to his family and friends. May he rest in peace.

DomImus -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 7:29:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Zinn was a long time anti-war and civil liberties activist who championed the liberties of the individual against the Power of the State. I'll have to check it out. If the end of your sentence is accurate he sounds like someone I might have had something in common with. It would be the first time that my politics and those of The Boss intersected.

servantforuse -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 8:25:45 PM)
I didn't critisize it, I just didn't read it. If someone believes they are better off in a socialist society, go for it and move there. I would rather live in a free country.

DomKen -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 9:05:18 PM)
Actually "A People's History of the US" is a great additional text for anyone who has actually studied US history. It covers many people and events barely mentioned in most other works. For instance how many people are aware that a fuedal land system effectively existed in upstate NY until about 1846? Ever heard of the Anti-Rent Movement? It's covered in "A People's History" but not much of anywhere else.

subfever -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 9:20:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse That's what I thought. Like I said, I'd probably still be working if I had read that pap. I'm glad that I'm a well off retired capitalists... You criticize something you have not read on the word of someone else (dawg) who has not read it. It was a great read imo. Now that you are rich and retired you might give it a try. Then come back with an informed criticism. Be cautious, however. Lots of pages. Don't strain. Zinn was a long time anti-war and civil liberties activist who championed the liberties of the individual against the Power of the State. Well put. I met Mr. Zinn a couple months ago, when he was at the University of Chicago. Class act, all the way. I became interested in Mr Zinn a few years ago, after reading his (arguably) most famous book "People's History of the United States" ... and outstanding read. We sure could use more like him. He will be missed by many, and equalled by very few.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/27/2010 10:30:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Zinn was a long time anti-war and civil liberties activist who championed the liberties of the individual against the Power of the State. Only insofar as they pushed forward his anarchist ideals.

luckydawg -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/28/2010 1:06:25 AM)
Vincent, there you go again. Zinn was a proud, open marxist. And I have read some of his work.

Brain -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/28/2010 2:24:41 AM)
I saw the video on tv last year but you can watch it online. Bill Moyers Journal . Howard Zinn \| PBS WATCH VIDEO http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12112009/watch2.html READ TRANSCRIPT http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12112009/transcript2.html COMMENT December 4, 2009 "They're willing to let people think about mild reforms and little changes, and incremental changes, but they don't want people to think that we could actually transform this country." Howard Zinn has long been known as the historian of the American everyman and woman. His groundbreaking work, THE PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES, turned history on its head — concentrating on the power of the people to effect change, not just the deeds of great men and those in political power. Now selections from his collection of voices from the American past are performed by actors, poets and writers in a new documentary directed by Matt Damon which is airing on The History Channel. Find out more about some of those voices below, and delve further into American history through the JOURNAL's coverage of American history on-air and online. "Ain't I a Woman?" Sojourner Truth (1851) The Rev. J. W. Loguen, as a Slave and as a Freeman. "A Narrative of Real Life"(1860) Mark Twain, "Comments on the Moro Massacre" (1906) Industrial Workers of the World, "Why the IWW is not Patriotic to the United States" (1918) Langston Hughes, "Ballad of Roosevelt" (1934) Dalton Trumbo, "Johnny Got His Gun" (1939) Daniel Ellsberg; "Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers" (2003) http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12112009/profile.html

vincentML -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/28/2010 8:16:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse I didn't critisize it, I just didn't read it. If someone believes they are better off in a socialist society, go for it and move there. I would rather live in a free country. I understand what you are saying. Zinn's economic predilictions were not reflected in his book that I can recall. The book was a history of the exercise of power by civil authority. He begins with Columbus' treatment of the Indians and ends with the 2000 election and the "war on terrorism." He is obviously against State brutality. Since you raised the issue I would like to point out we have been a mixed socialist/capitalist nation since FDR, I think. I doubt it will change. Socialist in the sense of providing a safety net for people not in the sense of ownership of business. Regards....

vincentML -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/28/2010 8:22:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Vincent, there you go again. Zinn was a proud, open marxist. And I have read some of his work. Okay dawg. You may be correct about his marxism. Not an issue for me since it appears to be a failed philosophy. His work on the history of the United States is nevertheless excellent and contains issues not ordinarily found in history books as was remarked by DomKen.

vincentML -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/28/2010 8:24:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I saw the video on tv last year but you can watch it online. Bill Moyers Journal . Howard Zinn \| PBS WATCH VIDEO http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12112009/watch2.html READ TRANSCRIPT http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12112009/transcript2.html COMMENT December 4, 2009 "They're willing to let people think about mild reforms and little changes, and incremental changes, but they don't want people to think that we could actually transform this country." Howard Zinn has long been known as the historian of the American everyman and woman. His groundbreaking work, THE PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES, turned history on its head — concentrating on the power of the people to effect change, not just the deeds of great men and those in political power. Now selections from his collection of voices from the American past are performed by actors, poets and writers in a new documentary directed by Matt Damon which is airing on The History Channel. Find out more about some of those voices below, and delve further into American history through the JOURNAL's coverage of American history on-air and online. "Ain't I a Woman?" Sojourner Truth (1851) The Rev. J. W. Loguen, as a Slave and as a Freeman. "A Narrative of Real Life"(1860) Mark Twain, "Comments on the Moro Massacre" (1906) Industrial Workers of the World, "Why the IWW is not Patriotic to the United States" (1918) Langston Hughes, "Ballad of Roosevelt" (1934) Dalton Trumbo, "Johnny Got His Gun" (1939) Daniel Ellsberg; "Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers" (2003) http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12112009/profile.html Thanx, Brain [:)]

vincentML -> RE: Howard Zinn dead at 87 (1/28/2010 5:35:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Zinn was a long time anti-war and civil liberties activist who championed the liberties of the individual against the Power of the State. Only insofar as they pushed forward his anarchist ideals. Accusation without a hint of support. Examples,FDD, examples with citations. And what the hell is an anarchist ideal anyway?

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