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Saving a DVD As A File - 1/27/2010 9:39:59 PM

ThatDamnedPanda

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I want to burn something off my DVR and e-mail it to someone as a file. I figured the easiest way is to record it to DVD, then save it as a file on my computer and e-mail it. Trouble is, I've never done that with a video file. I don't imagine it would be that complicated, though. Can anyone suggest the best way to do that? Do I need any special software? What file type should i save it as? It'll be about a 45-minute video, so will file size be a concern?

Anyone have any pointers? Maybe some websites I should read to learn how?

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/27/2010 10:30:13 PM

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It's gonna be an email problem, isn't it, a file that large?

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/27/2010 11:27:30 PM

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If you have rights to content on a DVD that is not copy protected, you can fairly easily extract the MPEG-2 video stream and transcode it to something more suitable for internet distribution, like H.264. There is a variety of software that can do this, something like HandBrake is an option. Encoding video is fairly computational intensive; if your machine is older, the encoding could be slower than realtime. Even after compression, a 45-minute video is still going to be a pretty big file. If you want to maintain something near the quality of the original DVD, you are looking at ~1 Mbps with H.264 compression. That's around 340 MB for the entire file. You can sacrifice quality and image size to make the file smaller, but getting 45 minutes into the 10 MB file size limit of many e-mail accounts isn't going to have pretty results. Splitting the video into segments is an option, but uploading to a website or using a direct file transfer (perhaps in an IM session) is generally a better way to transfer large files. Whatever method is used, you should be aware that uploads can take a surprisingly long time if you have an asymmetrical connection.

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/28/2010 3:24:10 AM

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You should save it as an image. .ISO then split the file into 9 or 10 mb chunks. There are programs that will split it up. You should be able to find a free one. Make sure whomever you send it to picks up the program too so they can put it back together.

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/28/2010 4:32:56 AM

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My DVR is with TWC and I can't download off of it because they disabled the ports. I would totally pay $20 though if someone could enable them and not mess with the integrity of the box.... We record most of our prime-time shows in HD and when we get busy we end up having to delete stuff then watch it on the computer (which is less comfy) at a later date.... Grrrrr

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/28/2010 7:08:12 AM

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After reading some of these responses it sounds easier to just them them the DVR, but then again I lack the most simplistic of computer skills

An H.264 file ?????????????????????Jeezzzzz the more I learn the less I know

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/28/2010 9:39:27 AM

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The best, and with Christmas pricing anyway, most cost effective ripping and converting software bundle is at ojosoft.com. Ive converted several DVDs, which I assume were copyprotected, for my iPhone and computer. I've also used their software to convert FLAC music files to iPhone/iPod in m4a format, which while not lossless is better than AAC.

Don't know what the iPad will play, cant wait to get my hands on one! As a constant traveler a high quality multi-media player lighter than a PC but with a big screen that I can move my libraries to will be awesome.

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/28/2010 9:56:22 AM

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I am having a similar... I think... problem. I had no idea that when I was buying movies at itunes, that I couldn't copy them to a dvd. I was a lil pissed off about that. I tried to find out how to do it as I was told I most likely could and damn if the explainations weren't so confusing that my head would spin and I wanted the relief of a hollywood moment of days gone by!

I am still upset because I can't get it and have nothing to back these movies up on or with and with a first vista and problems with it and could lose them or fear losing them. I spent a lot of money on those moives and spent money that could have provided something to save them on now that I see what I face, but what is done is done, but damn I need those movies for my sanity sometimes and I want them on dvd that I can take when I need to lay down rather than watch from this chair!

Good luck Panda... though I am sure you will understand what I could not and will make this happen... still... good luck! lol

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/28/2010 2:21:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

I am having a similar... I think... problem. I had no idea that when I was buying movies at itunes, that I couldn't copy them to a dvd. I was a lil pissed off about that. I tried to find out how to do it as I was told I most likely could and damn if the explainations weren't so confusing that my head would spin and I wanted the relief of a hollywood moment of days gone by!

I am still upset because I can't get it and have nothing to back these movies up on or with and with a first vista and problems with it and could lose them or fear losing them. I spent a lot of money on those moives and spent money that could have provided something to save them on now that I see what I face, but what is done is done, but damn I need those movies for my sanity sometimes and I want them on dvd that I can take when I need to lay down rather than watch from this chair!

Good luck Panda... though I am sure you will understand what I could not and will make this happen... still... good luck! lol

You can back the files up on a dvd or another hard drive. You just can't take the file and turn it into a dvd you can play on your dvd player the same way they let make cd's from the audio files.

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/28/2010 4:55:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

I am having a similar... I think... problem. I had no idea that when I was buying movies at itunes, that I couldn't copy them to a dvd. I was a lil pissed off about that. I tried to find out how to do it as I was told I most likely could and damn if the explainations weren't so confusing that my head would spin and I wanted the relief of a hollywood moment of days gone by!

I am still upset because I can't get it and have nothing to back these movies up on or with and with a first vista and problems with it and could lose them or fear losing them. I spent a lot of money on those moives and spent money that could have provided something to save them on now that I see what I face, but what is done is done, but damn I need those movies for my sanity sometimes and I want them on dvd that I can take when I need to lay down rather than watch from this chair!

Good luck Panda... though I am sure you will understand what I could not and will make this happen... still... good luck! lol

Where there is a will there is a way. I don't know what you bought but you might be able to convert them to another format. Then you could use something like Nero express to put a bunch of the movies together. Then use DVD Shrink to shrink it down to a size that will fit on a dvd. I sometimes take a two sided disk and shrink it down to fit on one.
Videora might work as far as converting the file. But it's mostly used to convert to a file that will play on an ipod. But it may work the opposite way too.
http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPod/
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd_rippers/dvd_shrink.cfm

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/28/2010 5:17:18 PM

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Thanks for the heads up on Handbrake. Schweet.

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/28/2010 5:38:08 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: shallowdeep

If you have rights to content on a DVD that is not copy protected, you can fairly easily extract the MPEG-2 video stream and transcode it to something more suitable for internet distribution, like H.264. There is a variety of software that can do this, something like HandBrake is an option. Encoding video is fairly computational intensive; if your machine is older, the encoding could be slower than realtime. Even after compression, a 45-minute video is still going to be a pretty big file. If you want to maintain something near the quality of the original DVD, you are looking at ~1 Mbps with H.264 compression. That's around 340 MB for the entire file. You can sacrifice quality and image size to make the file smaller, but getting 45 minutes into the 10 MB file size limit of many e-mail accounts isn't going to have pretty results. Splitting the video into segments is an option, but uploading to a website or using a direct file transfer (perhaps in an IM session) is generally a better way to transfer large files. Whatever method is used, you should be aware that uploads can take a surprisingly long time if you have an asymmetrical connection.

^Thanks, everyone, for the advice - and particularly you, Shallowdeep. This is very interesting information. That handbrake software looks really intriguing. It's starting to look as though the best way to do it is just to burn a DVD and mail it to the guy, because it's a copyrighted TV show and I don't want to use a file-sharing website. But I sure learned a lot in this thread!

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/28/2010 10:37:11 PM

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Panda, I've come to the same conclusion. It would be too big for an email no matter what you do. however, some legit DVD copy software even though it will make a copy, has a way to keep copies of the copy from being made. There is also the issue of regions. If you mail the copy overseas to someone in a different DVD region, the only way to play it will be a PC or region free DVD player. The reasons for this are better left to the Politics forum.

Now back in the 98SE days, I had so many CODECs for Windows mediaplayer that I actually could play the huge DAT file derived from a DVD, it did not handle the aspect ratio correctly in some cases, but it would still play it. I can't seem to get XP to do that.

I had this DVD of TV test patterns, it only amounted to about 400 MB, so I put all the files on a CDR. No good. Even if copied to a DVDR, the format wasn't right. I have never found the software to do this, but if ripped it is a different story. I have heard of DVDshrink and a few others that can accomplish some things, but that was before dual layer DVDR burners hit the market. A DVDR might hold 4.7GB, but a stamped DVD could hold 9.4GB. Now a direct and complete copy can be made. I would guess that a Bluray is similarly incompatible.

So even with an ISO file of a DVD, it is not easy. If you and the person to which you want to send the DVD can agree on a few things, you can actually use P2P to do it though. If you don't want to get hit hard you name the file differently. Just call it something like 1236667333345.TXT or something and agree when to be on the network. You can then transfer the file, but that does not give them the ability to play it automatically. But it does create a direct path, not being hit, you crank the allowable bandwidth all the way up in the P2P software. It will slow down other things as well, even processing. Most P2Ps you become part of a big processor in a way, they take a timeslice out of your PC's processor cycles.

So you give it that fucked up name and only your friend knows it. Even if you devote your whole bandwidth to it you might see it take some time. There is no sense in sharing it at that point except for them. You see, when you get a two hour movie in like fifteen minutes it is because many people will be sending it simultateously. This is not going to happen if you are the only one with the file.

With all the things I don't know about a PC, I have ridden bareback for a long time but I looked the other day, and I have been using P2P for about ten years now. My next trip to harddrives-r-us will have no GBs. It will be TBs. Good luck. And still you might just be better copying it and sending it through the snail mail. Your call.

T

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/29/2010 7:00:45 AM

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If you mail the copy overseas to someone in a different DVD region, the only way to play it will be a PC or region free DVD player.

I recommend the Philips DVP5990 or equivalent. You can find a software hack floating around the net that takes about 30 seconds with the remote and makes the player region free. It also has a USB port on the front face of the player. Copy what you want to watch to any of these small, ubiquitous USB hard drives (or even a flash drive) plug it in and away you go. It also does HDMI upscaling.

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/29/2010 3:11:08 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

I am having a similar... I think... problem. I had no idea that when I was buying movies at itunes, that I couldn't copy them to a dvd. I was a lil pissed off about that. I tried to find out how to do it as I was told I most likely could and damn if the explainations weren't so confusing that my head would spin and I wanted the relief of a hollywood moment of days gone by!

I am still upset because I can't get it and have nothing to back these movies up on or with and with a first vista and problems with it and could lose them or fear losing them. I spent a lot of money on those moives and spent money that could have provided something to save them on now that I see what I face, but what is done is done, but damn I need those movies for my sanity sometimes and I want them on dvd that I can take when I need to lay down rather than watch from this chair!

Good luck Panda... though I am sure you will understand what I could not and will make this happen... still... good luck! lol

You can back the files up on a dvd or another hard drive. You just can't take the file and turn it into a dvd you can play on your dvd player the same way they let make cd's from the audio files.

You can using the above mentioned ojosoft software.

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/29/2010 5:49:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

I am having a similar... I think... problem. I had no idea that when I was buying movies at itunes, that I couldn't copy them to a dvd. I was a lil pissed off about that. I tried to find out how to do it as I was told I most likely could and damn if the explainations weren't so confusing that my head would spin and I wanted the relief of a hollywood moment of days gone by!

I am still upset because I can't get it and have nothing to back these movies up on or with and with a first vista and problems with it and could lose them or fear losing them. I spent a lot of money on those moives and spent money that could have provided something to save them on now that I see what I face, but what is done is done, but damn I need those movies for my sanity sometimes and I want them on dvd that I can take when I need to lay down rather than watch from this chair!

Good luck Panda... though I am sure you will understand what I could not and will make this happen... still... good luck! lol

You can back the files up on a dvd or another hard drive. You just can't take the file and turn it into a dvd you can play on your dvd player the same way they let make cd's from the audio files.

You can using the above mentioned ojosoft software.

You can in several manners. But I do believe what she was hoping was to just be able to make a dvd with her movies straight from itunes in the same manner in which you can make a cd from the audio files. Neither itunes or the files themselves allow for that. She wanted simple, not figuring out bit rates and conversions.

I was mostly trying to point out was forget about making dvd's for now and just get the files backed up.

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RE: Saving a DVD As A File - 1/30/2010 11:13:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

I want to burn something off my DVR and e-mail it to someone as a file. I figured the easiest way is to record it to DVD, then save it as a file on my computer and e-mail it. Trouble is, I've never done that with a video file. I don't imagine it would be that complicated, though. Can anyone suggest the best way to do that? Do I need any special software? What file type should i save it as? It'll be about a 45-minute video, so will file size be a concern?

Anyone have any pointers? Maybe some websites I should read to learn how?

there is no way on earth you can get a 45 minute video down to less than 200mb and have it retain enough quality to be worth watching.
afterdawn.com has an exhaustive and overwhelming amount of information, (and good quality free software) on video encoding and if you get au fait with everything on there you'd be something of an expert! the conclusion you'd come to would be to save it either as an .avi file encoded with xvid codec or a .mkv file encoded with x264/h264 (this is the better option for HD)

though the program you want is probably sat there on thepiratebay just itching to be downloaded.

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