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osf -> Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 6:57:56 AM)
Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people to carry out your word than you feel a non submissive woman does and why now this will be personal to each and i can't answer for you, so don't ask me

Mercnbeth -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 7:08:34 AM)
quote: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people to carry out your word than you feel a non submissive woman does and why no...this slave does not believe that integrity is orientation specific.

littlewonder -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 7:08:49 AM)
simple answer..no. What does my being submissive to Him have anything to do with keeping my word to others? Keeping your word is a human trait of someone who has integrity. My being submissive has zilch to do with that.

afkarr -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 7:12:38 AM)
You're referring more to integrity than submissiveness. In other words, you want to know if submissives have inherently more integrity than non submissives. IMHO, no. Morals and values are seperate from sexual orientation; there are probably just as many kinky people with no integrity as non kinky people. There are also differing levels of integrity, it's more of a spectrum than a concrete. Do I go around randomly making promises or commitments I have no intention of keeping, just for the hell of it? No. it would be pointless, futile, and serve no useful purpose, other to piss people off for no reason. Have I totally blown that "forsaking all others" part of the vanilla marriage? Yep.

UniqueRaven -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 7:23:50 AM)
i identified my integrity as one of my 3 core values a LONG time ago - and not in the context of submission, or slavery. This is not a "new" concept, or one that is "higher" in submissives. As a matter of fact i immediately thought of the Yogic concept of Satya - Commitment to the Truth - recorded by Patanjali in his Yogasutra (200 - 400 CE). Which also is not about submission specifically, rather, how we treat others as Yogis (and Yoginis) within the concept of our everyday lives (One of the Yamas, a "limb" of Yoga). People have been committed in seeking that authentic way of interacting with others way before we identified ourselves as "submissives." [;)]

juliaoceania -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 7:40:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people to carry out your word than you feel a non submissive woman does and why now this will be personal to each and i can't answer for you, so don't ask me How would we even know how other people internalize their ethical code?

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 8:15:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people to carry out your word than you feel a non submissive woman does and why No. It is a strange question I think, I don't say something unless I intend to carry it through so I don't put myself under excessive pressure. If someone else makes a promise I expect them to keep their word just as much as I would expect myself to keep mine

sexyred1 -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 9:02:58 AM)
NO.

osf -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 9:06:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 NO. well, we know where you stand lol but it answers the question well half of it anyway

sunshinemiss -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 9:07:35 AM)
What does integrity have to do with this? Go on... ask the Goreans. See if they think that the s-types should be more trustworthy and honest than the rest... go ahead. Ask 'em. [:D]

sexyred1 -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 9:12:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 NO. well, we know where you stand lol but it answers the question well half of it anyway Oh for god's sake osf, give me a break. You asked a question and I said, NO. It should be obvious that I don't think that my word should be kept with more integrity than if I was vanilla. How fucking stupid of a question. I detest people who think that because you are sexually or philosophically identified with being submissive or dominant that those would define who you truly are as a HUMAN BEING. The fact that you even asked that is embarrassing, to YOU.

osf -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 9:26:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 NO. well, we know where you stand lol but it answers the question well half of it anyway Oh for god's sake osf, give me a break. You asked a question and I said, NO. It should be obvious that I don't think that my word should be kept with more integrity than if I was vanilla. How fucking stupid of a question. I detest people who think that because you are sexually or philosophically identified with being submissive or dominant that those would define who you truly are as a HUMAN BEING. The fact that you even asked that is embarrassing, to YOU. where did all this anger over a question you didn't have to answer come from?

littlebitxxx -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 10:11:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people to carry out your word than you feel a non submissive woman does and why now this will be personal to each and i can't answer for you, so don't ask me Do you mean as a slave....or a woman with an overall submissive demeanour? Two very different people in some cases. Either way, though, one thinks the answer is "no". one doesn't think obligation ties into it. The submissively oriented woman would probably bend over backwards trying to please everyone...keeping her word to all would be part of that. The slave with a more dominant personality would probably have her integrity to speak for her, where her word is her bond. Opinions only.

osf -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 10:20:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlebitxxx quote: ORIGINAL: osf Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people to carry out your word than you feel a non submissive woman does and why now this will be personal to each and i can't answer for you, so don't ask me Do you mean as a slave....or a woman with an overall submissive demeanour? Two very different people in some cases. Either way, though, one thinks the answer is "no". one doesn't think obligation ties into it. The submissively oriented woman would probably bend over backwards trying to please everyone...keeping her word to all would be part of that. The slave with a more dominant personality would probably have her integrity to speak for her, where her word is her bond. Opinions only. was meant to be you as a person, woman, submissive woman, ii don't chop people up into parts we are the totality of what we are

littlebitxxx -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 10:30:10 AM)
Woman with submissive demeanour and a slave with a dominant personality ARE two different people, not one chopped up. That's why as a submissive woman could be taken two ways. This one is a slave, she is definitely not submissive. Therefore, her views are going to be different from those of a more submissive personality. Ah yes, the neverending battle of the sub vs thinking woman. Moot point anyways because it's all semantics. The answer is still no, neither one really probably feels any more obligation than the other. But, if you pit a sub/slave against a vanilla woman, the answer may change. It seems that since our relationships seem to rely heavily on trust, honour and openness, it's quite possible a sub/slave would put more emphasis on keeping her word.

sunshinemiss -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 10:31:39 AM)
Hello osf, I disagree. You did in fact "chop people into bits" by asking the question as you did... You asked it of 1. Women. 2. Submissive women. 3. Submissive women on this site. 4. Submissive women who read this forum. You deliberately split people. That is why I deliberately teased you and suggested you talk to the Goreans. Why is that? Because you see ... There are often huge discussions about this on their threads, and they would tell you in no uncertain terms how ridiculous your question is. Secondly, I wrote this on the thread Too Independent? It is in requiring others to be honorable that we find out who is worthy of our interdependence. Because we don't as a society hold people to standards, our world is becoming more and more fractured and broken. Your question is merely a symptom of that brokenness (imo). There is in fact NOT a possibility of being too independent - not the way our society is set up anyway. There is, however, the possibility of buying into society's illusion and finding dissonance there in opposition with one's own humanity. In the end, too independent, to me, seems like a way of saying "I have not found people trustworthy." And that says that one needs to set high standards, expect - even demand - them, and walk away if they are not met. And the day will come when the standards are in fact met and in that moment true interdependence can be experienced. I attach it because it falls in the same category... We need to DEMAND that people (all people, not just submissive women on this forum on this site) practice integrity or stop giving them the yummies of maintained friendships, relationships, whatever. Finally, your question is an insult to my mother, to my aunt, to my best friend, to my niece, to all women who are not into wiitwd. Best, sunshine

vagabondduo -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 10:34:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: osf quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 NO. well, we know where you stand lol but it answers the question well half of it anyway Oh for god's sake osf, give me a break. You asked a question and I said, NO. It should be obvious that I don't think that my word should be kept with more integrity than if I was vanilla. How fucking stupid of a question. I detest people who think that because you are sexually or philosophically identified with being submissive or dominant that those would define who you truly are as a HUMAN BEING. The fact that you even asked that is embarrassing, to YOU. [sm=agree.gif]

sexyred1 -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 10:34:27 AM)
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CalifChick -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 10:58:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 How fucking stupid of a question. I detest people who think that because you are sexually or philosophically identified with being submissive or dominant that those would define who you truly are as a HUMAN BEING. It's not the sort of thing I see in people who have real-life experience in BDSM... more from the "I learned this online" crowd. Cali

sexyred1 -> RE: Do you as a submissive woman feel you have a greater obligation to other people (1/30/2010 11:02:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CalifChick quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 How fucking stupid of a question. I detest people who think that because you are sexually or philosophically identified with being submissive or dominant that those would define who you truly are as a HUMAN BEING. It's not the sort of thing I see in people who have real-life experience in BDSM... more from the "I learned this online" crowd. Cali True, Cali. I just get sick of hearing this nonsense so often. As if we are so different than the rest of humanity....some people feel the need to find superiority in kink. Pfft...

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