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willingtosuck -> god (1/30/2010 9:53:21 PM)
1/30/2010 GOD My humble look at the churches that I see and the things I see them do suggest that they might change their names to reflect who they do in fact worship in reality. Now how about the first church of U.S. Grant, The church Benjamin Franklin, or if the church is a more modest one the church of Lincoln for church names that reflect who and what we worship? I am just going by the buildings I see and the type of automobiles I see parked it the parking lot. Consider for a moment what the guy that that died for all of their sins Jesus Christ. Now I pose a question what did Jesus do for people? I see him giving them what they could not give themselves. So that being the case why would it be so sinful for a church in modern day America to have a house improvement Saturday? The members of the congregation get together combine the skills in the church add a room or what is needed to some poor person’s house to give them more room. Or build an extra bathroom for a household that has a bunch of children and only one bathroom. Would it be an abomination if the church bought a newer car for a family driving one 13 years old. Is there a difference in these miracles and say feeding people or giving blind what you have to give the gift of sight isn’t this after what Jesus did give what he had? He said for us to do likewise so is building mega churches sending people all over the world to teach people how to dress like us live in houses like us and take up our materialism is this flowering Jesus ? Why is not giving what we have to other people and uplifting their lives not doing as Jesus

MrMister -> RE: god (1/30/2010 10:16:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willingtosuck He said for us to do likewise so is building mega churches sending people all over the world to teach people how to dress like us live in houses like us and take up our materialism is this flowering Jesus ? Why is not giving what we have to other people and uplifting their lives not doing as Jesus I'm not too sure of what you are saying or asking here, irregardless I'll give it a stab. Whenever the mega churches (or any other for that matter) send people all over the world, it is typically not to teach people how to dress, or to live in houses like us, or to take up any of our materialist ways. The reason most churches conduct work in the missionary field is to share the Gospel and teach folks about Christ and the salvation and eternal life offered freely to the world through God's son Jesus Christ. And giving to those in need, even if only a drink of water given to those who are thirsty, is in fact following along the same path of conduct as Jesus.

kdsub -> RE: god (1/30/2010 10:39:16 PM)
God is in you not your church. You either act accordingly or you don't...No cathedral will make you a better Christian. Butch

Rule -> RE: god (1/31/2010 3:05:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willingtosuck I am just going by the buildings I see and the type of automobiles I see parked it the parking lot. The best one can hope for is that they will give you a job. Thou shalt toil, as it says somewhere in Genesis. quote: ORIGINAL: willingtosuck why would it be so sinful for a church in modern day America to have a house improvement Saturday? That is an excellent idea. Propose it to your church. However, it also is what friends do for one another. So apparently these people have no friends? quote: ORIGINAL: willingtosuck The members of the congregation get together combine the skills in the church add a room or what is needed to some poor person’s house to give them more room. Would not that cause them to live above their means? Would not that increase the time the husband and wife have to expend on cleaning, and raise their heating costs, causing more poverty? quote: ORIGINAL: willingtosuck Or build an extra bathroom for a household that has a bunch of children and only one bathroom. Methinks that such people reap the bitter fruits of their stupidity. They would be better served by getting free condoms and having abstinence preached to them. quote: ORIGINAL: willingtosuck Would it be an abomination if the church bought a newer car for a family driving one 13 years old. Yes. quote: ORIGINAL: willingtosuck is building mega churches sending people all over the world to teach people how to dress like us live in houses like us and take up our materialism is this flowering Jesus? They had better send their missionaries to the USA to eradicate the abomination of circumcision. Read what Saint Paul had to say about the evil of circumcision. quote: ORIGINAL: willingtosuck Why is not giving what we have to other people and uplifting their lives not doing as Jesus So give what you have to other people.

eyesopened -> RE: god (1/31/2010 3:59:47 AM)
I understand what you are saying but each church sets its own tone. In Carson City, Nevada, most of the churches of a large variety of demoninations got together to organize a food pantry and thrift store. Food donations were there in the doorway of my church, just drop off canned goods. Another bin for used eyeglasses to give to the work of the Lions. The food pantry provided 2 meals a day every day of the week to the poor and boxes of food to take home. Each church took volunteers to run this charity. This was the work of the christian community, not just one church. When I was at my lowest point in my life, having been unemployed past my unemployment benefits, barely surviving and knowing I could not buy presents for Christmas, a nun from a Catholic Church I never attended showed up at my door two days before Christmas with two lawn/leaf bags FULL of Christmas presents for me and my two kids. We had more presents that year than we had ever had before or since. I don't know how, I was too proud to tell anyone we were so poor. So I am here to tell you that some churches do good in private. You don't know which church IS building homes through Habitat for Humanity or how many members help others. The only thing you can do is organize those kinds of chartiable acts in your own community.

DarkSteven -> RE: god (1/31/2010 4:49:09 AM)
I believe that your point is that you are saying that churches should be responsible for income redistribution, and work on people's houses. Churches do not do that officially. Their main purpose is to help people worship. That said, many run charities within them, and they advocate the giving that you want - it's the members' responsibilities how to apply that. Note that any participation in charity is voluntary - the churches take only what they need to pay their own bills, and then require the members to individually assess whether to contribute more (the Mormon church being an exception that does ask more of its members and does have officially sanctioned causes, like farms to be worked by those who need the extra produce). If you want to talk about house building and churches - the world's most famous Habitat for Humanity member is journeyman carpenter and ex President Jimmy Carter, who is a Southern Baptist, and seems to have no problem doing charity work and being a churchgoer and keeping the two separate.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: god (1/31/2010 6:51:19 AM)
In any case isn't this home improvement aspect of charity covered by such TV programmes as 'extreme makeover home edition' and 'DIY SOS'?

Kirata -> RE: god (1/31/2010 7:43:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willingtosuck giving what we have to other people and uplifting their lives What have you done lately? (aside from bitching) K.

Musicmystery -> RE: god (1/31/2010 9:01:04 AM)
quote: Now I pose a question what did Jesus do for people? I see him giving them what they could not give themselves. So that being the case why would it be so sinful for a church in modern day America to have a house improvement Saturday? The members of the congregation get together combine the skills in the church add a room or what is needed to some poor person’s house to give them more room. Or build an extra bathroom for a household that has a bunch of children and only one bathroom. Would it be an abomination if the church bought a newer car for a family driving one 13 years old. So get some people together and get 'er done. Jesus didn't wait around for his church either.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: god (1/31/2010 9:04:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: willingtosuck giving what we have to other people and uplifting their lives What have you done lately? (aside from bitching) K. Have I told you how Hawt you are lately? [8D]

GotSteel -> RE: god (1/31/2010 1:26:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrMister I'm not too sure of what you are saying I think he's pointing out the hypocrisy of the televangelists covered in gold chains claiming to represent a guy who told his followers to give up their material possessions to help those in need.

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