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Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 1/31/2010 8:52:50 PM

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Good. The evidence to invade Iraq was flimsy and I hope Bush faces a similar inquiry too.

Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges

London, England (CNN) -- In the shadow of Big Ben and the Houses of Parliament and surrounded in all directions by monuments to the British establishment, protesters called Friday for Tony Blair to face war crimes charges as the former prime minister gave evidence to the Iraq inquiry.

"Blair lied, thousands died!" and "Tony Blair! War criminal!" chanted the few hundred who had gathered under gray and damp early morning skies, separated from the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Centre by chain-link fencing and dozens of police officers.

Some protesters donned rubber Blair masks and posed behind bars, their hands covered in theatrical blood representing those killed during the war in Iraq. Many said they wanted to see Blair put on trial at the International Criminal Court at The Hague.

Left-wing lawmaker George Galloway said that Blair's actions in Iraq were "more terrible than the crimes of Macbeth" and called on the former prime minister to "commit hari-kiri in front of the world" on the steps of the conference center. (too funny)

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/01/29/uk.blair.protests/

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 1/31/2010 9:13:01 PM

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This was not an inquiry. This was a demonstration demanding an inquiry. VERY different animal altogether.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 1:12:36 AM

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This was not an inquiry. This was a demonstration demanding an inquiry. VERY different animal altogether.

It was an inquiry.(Iraq Inquiry/Chilcott Inquiry).
It was an inquiry inside and a demonstration outside (Post here)
Not that a mob mentality is going to get Blair to face warcrimes. Nor will Galloway who is but a minor player and a laughing stock after his Big Brother apperance.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 5:09:21 AM

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As RCdc says, Steven, there is an enquiry going on at the moment. IT's unlikely to do the smug wanker any inconvenience, though.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 5:28:10 AM

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As usual, the American media are eerily silent about what's going on on the other side of the pond. They probably don't want to remind the public of their atrocious enthusiasm when they clamoured and clapped when Bush invaded Iraq, hence their obstruction over the Blair testimony: it's a sore subject for them.

That, or they just don't think the American public gives a fuck about non-America. This is the more plausible explanation, come to think of it.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 5:29:15 AM

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Ah yes Blair, tanned, smiling, ever so charming, glib, adept at handling questions.

The man who wants us to take on Iran. No attempt to check or verify what one says, or to consider carefully.

Blair is crazy. Okay. It's okay to be a crazy politician. One of my political heroes is Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, Islamic socialist, oddball, nutter, but still popular in his country after three peaceful decades in power.

Blair is crazy in the way that Ted Bundy was crazy, the same way that Adolf Hitler was crazy. Take on Iran? Pot, meet kettle. Just like in Afghanistan, bunch of religious nutters, nutters like Blair, like Jack Straw (the real Jekyll and Hyde of New Labour).

Only Blair apparently was elected. Repeatedly. But he's going to get away with it (a bit like Pete Doherty gets away with it, but that's another topic), just like John Major's government got away with the vanishing billions (yes billions, more than Germany allocated for reunification), just like Gordon Brown's government is going to get away with the money they've fiddled and diddled away too. Just like the banks get away with it, the media, not to mention what happens in the City.

It doesn't matter really who you vote for in this coming election because you can already put good money on either a Conservative government or New Labour just scraping it.

This has been going on for years and it's going to keep continuing until we as a country come together and start demanding changes, real changes, in one unified voice.

One thing is for sure, we cannot afford to keep continuing this class struggle. Too many people have died, too many people have lost their livelihoods, too many people are struggling to hold onto what little they've got left.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 6:17:36 AM

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I am certainly not an expert in foreign policy, but it seems to be more likely than not that this man has the blood of many innocent people on his hands (including weapons inspector Dr David Kelly). Moreover, it also seems fairly obvious to even the most casual of observers (namely myself) that he is responsible for one of the more horrible terms as UKs PM where some of the most awful legislation was passed, and now he making an utter fool of himself by comparing Iran to Iraq.

I would have to wonder if there is no end to this man's arrogance and stupidity?

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 7:25:28 AM

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I would have to wonder if there is no end to this man's arrogance and stupidity?

No, of course there isn't. Just the facts that he appears to think that he can do Nu Labour some good in the coming election (rather than burying Broon for good) and his assumption that anybody in the EEC would want him as its President suggest that he isn't playing with a full deck anymore.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 9:35:00 AM

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Brain, lately everytime I see your posts I think "National Inquirer."

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 9:56:43 AM

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The question is whether 1441, in referring to prior resolutions, permitted military force or not in the light of Iraq being in breach of the ceasefire obligations following Gulf War 1. Many of those who voted for 1441 were not only under the impression that no such force was authorised but expressly said so at the time. We must also consider that the UK government was adamant that a second resolution should be needed prior to military force, and worked for this until its inexplicable change of heart on the subject, and that it produced the "dodgy dossier" - which handily established breach of 1441 and its antecedents in such a way as to also present a clear, imminent danger from Iraq to the UK, in an attempt to justify an act of war regardless of what 1441 actually meant.

It is notable that 1441 seems to call on Iraq to conform to the ceasefire obligations - which it then subsequently did, allowing inspectors back in - and speaks of "serious consequences" for failure to comply. It is then a matter of arguing whether "serious consequences" indicate military action, and in this we might refer to earlier resolutions - particularly re Gulf War 1 - which specifically authorise certain actions, rather than being as vague as "serious consequences". And this notwithstanding, for it is worth repeating, that Iraq prima facie complied with 1441.

It would from all this appear to be that the UK and US embarked on a war of aggression, which in 1945-6 at least the two of them felt to be worthy of indictment and trial.

Except, it aint gonna happen folks. As many a nazi remarked, "victors' justice" is no justice at all.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 11:39:08 AM

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As usual, the American media are eerily silent about what's going on on the other side of the pond. They probably don't want to remind the public of their atrocious enthusiasm when they clamoured and clapped when Bush invaded Iraq, hence their obstruction over the Blair testimony: it's a sore subject for them.

That, or they just don't think the American public gives a fuck about non-America. This is the more plausible explanation, come to think of it.

The second explanation has some merit, as it's always a factor in our relative ignorance of the world here in the States. But the first hypothesis hits the nail squarely on the head. There has been a virtual blackout here in the US on this story since its outset. I've actually written to journalists trying to get them to comment on why it's not covered, and I get nary a response of any sort (implicit or explicit).

They were, after all, the same crowd of charlatans-with-keyboards who stood by watching without so much as a nervous glance of acquaintance toward reality as our former president convinced 70% of our population that Saddam Hussein had attacked us, against all evidence to the contrary.

I STILL don't know what happened in this country in 2003 to make it get so gullible so fast. And I started out pretty cynical about the place.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 12:18:22 PM

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just like John Major's government got away with the vanishing billions (yes billions, more than Germany allocated for reunification),

Stella, care to explain what you are on about here ?

As for Gaddafi being peaceful, you seem to overlook his terrorist activities somewhat. The war with Chad. Lockerbie and Berlin Disco bombings. Libya also sent death squads abroad to kill prominent dissidents. Your utopian ideal isnt based on the reality of the man.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 4:52:28 PM

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Black Wednesday perhaps?

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 4:54:31 PM

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Black Wednesday perhaps?

That was my first thought as well. I just wondered if Stella was hinting at something darker than that.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/1/2010 5:24:50 PM

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There has been a virtual blackout here in the US on this story since its outset. I've actually written to journalists trying to get them to comment on why it's not covered, and I get nary a response of any sort (implicit or explicit).

wtf are you talking about? It was all over the news here, and then it died because its the same old nonsense that will go nowhere.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/2/2010 1:56:41 AM

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Black Wednesday perhaps?

That was my first thought as well. I just wondered if Stella was hinting at something darker than that.

No I wasn't.. unless of course you want to talk about the Nigerian benefit fiasco of the time but I don't think you can hold John Major or indeed much of his government responsible for that. And even that pales in comparison with the characters Gordon Brown has in his Cabinet.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/3/2010 2:21:16 AM

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Ah, but will Blair get away with it, especially now as Claire Short has revealed some interesting facts about what happened in the cabinet meetings. The inquiry will interview all concerned, come to some conclusion which really affects no one, but now Claire Short has said what she has said, somewhere in the future I expect the next inquiry might very well see Blair and his acomplices answering charges.

Anyway, the forthcoming election, if Labour were to get my vote, it would have to be Claire Short who was running for the top job, I tend to like people who wear their heart on their sleeve as it is reported Claire Short does.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/3/2010 3:35:27 AM

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Black Wednesday perhaps?

That was my first thought as well. I just wondered if Stella was hinting at something darker than that.

No I wasn't.. unless of course you want to talk about the Nigerian benefit fiasco of the time but I don't think you can hold John Major or indeed much of his government responsible for that. And even that pales in comparison with the characters Gordon Brown has in his Cabinet.

So what did you mean about John Major. I dont know what your earlier post refers to.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/3/2010 3:38:44 AM

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I thought Clair Short hit the nail on the head. Anyone who dared argue with Blair and Brown about anything got marginalised. I dont agree with Claire Short on several issues, but i have always seen her as honest. I wish I could say the same about the rest of those at the top of government.

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RE: Blair Call to Face War Crimes Charges - 2/3/2010 3:53:41 AM

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his assumption that anybody in the EEC would want him as its President suggest that he isn't playing with a full deck anymore

Was he ever playing with a full deck? He and Bush seem like twins separated at birth. The fact that he thinks he can come back and win an election just serves to prove how delusional he is.

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