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RE: The Reason Project - 2/2/2010 9:39:52 PM   
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I'm already a member of a bunch of humanist and atheist organisations, but not this one in particular. I like the look of some of their projects though.

Yes I'm particularly fond to hear that The Reason Project is committed to supporting projects and organizations that spread secular values and critical thinking in the Muslim world.
http://www.reasonproject.org/secular_islam/

My ex is a secular Iranian (as are his parents and siblings). It is a life lived in hypocrisy. I hope that they bring a small amount of change or hope.

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RE: The Reason Project - 2/4/2010 9:01:19 AM   
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I like the links to the biblical stuff.  I like reading critiques of the Bible.


Reading that the guy working on that also did the Skeptic's Guide to the Bible...I wonder if they'll include a needed critique of the critiques. =)


I'm not sure what kind of critique you are implying but I guess that as long as it stays within the spirit of the project, that is to encourage critical thinking and erode the influence of dogmatism, superstition, and bigotry in our world, I think lively debate is welcome.

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Well, once I spent a couple hours reading some of his critiques and contradictions...pretty much each one I checked was wrong/misunderstood.

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RE: The Reason Project - 2/4/2010 9:06:18 AM   
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If something can be so easily misunderstood any benefit it has is going to be equally matched by those misinterpreting it, thus overall it's benefit to the world is negligible.


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RE: The Reason Project - 2/4/2010 10:41:34 AM   
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I like the links to the biblical stuff.  I like reading critiques of the Bible.


Katy,

Try looking at the Freedom From Religion Foundation. they have a site, whose address, I believe is:

www.ffrf.org


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RE: The Reason Project - 2/4/2010 12:42:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dawkins isn't Dogmatic or Bigoted? When did those definitions change???

Because you can NOT declare God does not exist, and pretend it is based in Science. Simply can't. Science has no conclusion either way on that.

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RE: The Reason Project - 2/4/2010 1:08:53 PM   
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This is what happens when you get brainwashed with religion, people start believing this God makes/does everything perfect nonsense.

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The reason why I bring this up on a kink site, even if in the off topic section, is because I think that to a certain degree, organizations such as this one which is about being socially more liberal and accepting are to our advantage and help in breaking down our society's ridiculous sex laws.

What is ridiculous about our sex laws? Pray tell.

Evolution is to reproduction as honey is to bees. We in the christian, western societies are without a doubt the most advanced, most dominant, most beautiful and least afflicted by inherited diseases populations of all human populations. That is because of our evolutionary successful reproductive laws. You may not like them, but they are the secret of our success.


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RE: The Reason Project - 2/4/2010 1:13:27 PM   
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RE: The Reason Project - 2/5/2010 4:50:21 PM   
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Dawkins isn't Dogmatic or Bigoted? When did those definitions change???

Because you can NOT declare God does not exist, and pretend it is based in Science. Simply can't. Science has no conclusion either way on that.


Actually you can declare anything you want. Your credibility is weighted by how many people are ready to believe you. That is how religion and dogma came to be.

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RE: The Reason Project - 2/5/2010 5:03:27 PM   
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The common cry from biblical folk: 'oh no you misunderstood it, I have the actual meaning.'

If something can be so easily misunderstood any benefit it has is going to be equally matched by those misinterpreting it, thus overall it's benefit to the world is negligible.


Kind of like most business contracts! Leave them fuzzy enough so that we can interpret them to our advantage! ;-)

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RE: The Reason Project - 2/5/2010 5:09:01 PM   
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I like the links to the biblical stuff.  I like reading critiques of the Bible.


Katy,

Try looking at the Freedom From Religion Foundation. they have a site, whose address, I believe is:

www.ffrf.org


Uncle Nasty



Oh thanks for the link! Great site :-)

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RE: The Reason Project - 2/6/2010 6:25:14 AM   
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Dawkins isn't Dogmatic or Bigoted? When did those definitions change???

Because you can NOT declare God does not exist, and pretend it is based in Science. Simply can't. Science has no conclusion either way on that.

So of course, there's no interplay between science and religion at all, and everybody's imagining all these attempts by fundamentalist groups to get creationism equal time with Darwin in science classes?

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RE: The Reason Project - 2/6/2010 6:36:00 AM   
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i have only this to say... its amusing to see what people do believe in... and you are welcome to your beliefs. its not up to those who believe differently to change your minds.... nor is it your place to change anyone elses. i find alot of this amusing.


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RE: The Reason Project - 2/6/2010 6:39:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for the link UncleNasty.

I am waiting for some Dawkins books to arrive...


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RE: The Reason Project - 2/6/2010 7:00:14 AM   
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its not up to those who believe differently to change your minds.... nor is it your place to change anyone elses.


That is so true. And yet people spend hours and hours trying to convince others that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Why do they care so much? I can almost understand the religious ones who honestly believe they are trying to save souls, but the athiests? What are they trying to save? They don't believe in heaven or hell, so who cares what someone else believes?


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RE: The Reason Project - 2/6/2010 7:05:05 AM   
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Dawkins isn't Dogmatic or Bigoted? When did those definitions change???

Because you can NOT declare God does not exist, and pretend it is based in Science. Simply can't. Science has no conclusion either way on that.


Actually you can declare anything you want. Your credibility is weighted by how many people are ready to believe you. That is how religion and dogma came to be.

- LA


Credibility has no bearing on the subject. Credibility is nothing more than how many other folks will line up their opinion with yours. History has plenty of examples of credibility leading the rank and file into obscurity in some cases, to death in other cases. Regardless, what we are talking are belief systems, whether it be scientific or otherwise.

Now, I know, some freak is going to jump on that bandwagon and talk about the scientific process. Try listening before you do. It helps with that diarrhea of the brain syndrome. We all know that the basis of acceptance is reproducible results. However, slathered all across the scientific spectrum are opinions, whether it be the opinion that a sliver of bone dug out of a sand pit in the middle east was part of a ritualistic killing, or that velociraptors hunted in packs like wolves. Often the knowledge or insight into the past, present and future is like looking at a still photo from 100 years ago. You get the starched clothes, the solemn looks. What you don't get is the day to day, life in the dirt existence. If we had no idea what life was actually like 100 years ago, I've no doubt we'd be reading headlines from leading antropologists and archaelogists stating that humans worshiped starch in those days due to the overwhelming evidence of its presence in their daily lives.

I can go along with the spread of scientific knowledge. The attack on dogma, religion, other belief systems by what is a process rife with its own belief system - re opinion, is something I will not. I especially will not do so as long as political correctness owns a portion of that scientific process and its belief system.

Yes, you can state anything you want. Whether or not it has any veracity to it is where we started, a matter of opinion unless you can supply reproducible results - which in the latter half of blurb defining their purpose, you cannot.

Bottom line. 


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RE: The Reason Project - 2/6/2010 10:37:49 AM   
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Credibility has no bearing on the subject. Credibility is nothing more than how many other folks will line up their opinion with yours. History has plenty of examples of credibility leading the rank and file into obscurity in some cases, to death in other cases. Regardless, what we are talking are belief systems, whether it be scientific or otherwise.


On this I agree 100%. I believe it reaches exactly what I was saying. I cannot prove that God exists anymore than anyone can prove he exists.

For about the last 20 years, I've gone from non-secular and agnositic and over time leaning more and more to what Dawkins calls a de facto atheist, which means basically that while I cannot know for certain, I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there. That means that I believe we have one shot and we should not blow it. I do however believe in humanity, its power, it's energy and I do my best to be the best human I can.

When I started this thread, it was not to start a discussion on how science can prove that God did no exist. I agree with you that the scientific process is not without flaws. I've actually spent a good part of my academic career stating this. I started this thread rather to expose those interested to a resource which I think can be beneficial. You can take or leave what you want from this. The beauty of being an atheist is that you can believe what you want.

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RE: The Reason Project - 2/6/2010 1:01:23 PM   
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Thank you for the link UncleNasty.

I am waiting for some Dawkins books to arrive...




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I like Dennett better than Dawkins, because his is a more philosophical approach. Dawkins is good if you want to see the scientific approach (including turning the "argument from igorance" around on creationists)

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RE: The Reason Project - 2/6/2010 1:19:14 PM   
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I like Dennett better than Dawkins,


Oh! I did a little googling to read more about Dennett and I discovered The Atheism Tapes: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/atheism-tapes.shtml

Does anyone know how I can get access to these?

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RE: The Reason Project - 2/6/2010 1:21:42 PM   
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RE: The Reason Project - 2/6/2010 1:47:51 PM   
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How do they feel about Harry Knox?

How does who feel about Harry Knox?

I can only talk about how I feel about something. If you want to know how someone else feels about something, you either read what they write or ask them.

For the record, I have not read anything from Harry Knox that I know of.

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