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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:16:46 PM   
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I am everywhere and everytime.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:18:17 PM   
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I watched the second (obviously imaginary) plane hit from across the river

A genuine eye-witness! Pray tell everything about what happened to you, what you were doing and what and how you observed.
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I ... watched as 215 of my colleagues were killed in the collapse of the first tower.

I am sorry for your bereavement. So how come that you happened to be across the river?

Uhhh....I worked there. I observed everything that was shown on TV and that trooofers claim are somehow faked. Tens of thousands of people watched it from nearby. Im sure we are all hypnotized or part of the conspiracy.

So you are not a genuine eye-witness.


Yes, I am a "genuine eye-witness". What I said was that what I saw live, in person, with my own eyes, is exactly what was shown on the newsreels. Nice try though, it was only half as stupid as your usual post.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:22:30 PM   
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Yes, I am a "genuine eye-witness". What I said was that what I saw live, in person, with my own eyes, is exactly what was shown on the newsreels.

So you saw the event live. So pray tell what you did see. I have no interest in what television shows. I want to hear the genuine eye-witness testify in utmost detail.

And never mind the collapse of the towers. What I am interested in is the plane that you said you saw hit.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:25:32 PM   
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What I want to know is how much of the deficit from the Bush Administration was due to paying the thousands of people who were looking at the WTC when they were hit to say they saw planes hit the buildings?

Thousands? You have identified thousands of genuine eye-witnesses? Pray give me the list of their names. I am most eager to receive it. If at all possible with quotes of their testimony. If you can and do, then when you face the God of the Dead, name my name and tell him that I owe you and he may weigh that to your benefit.

Edited to add: It is not all gold that shines.



You are going to sit at your keyboard and claim that every person that witnessed the impacts were accounted for? What about workers for the port across the river that saw the impacts, at least two hundred were working the docks on that day, and you are going to claim that none of them saw anything? You are going to say the hundreds of people on the ferry to the statue of liberty saw nothing? You are going to claim that after the first impact no one stood at office windows and stared at the twin towers when the second plane hit? You are going to claim that the people evacuating from the first tower and happened to look up saw nothing or were paid to say there was a plane that hit the building?

The flaw with the conspiracy theory that no one even considers is that with the shear number of people involved would have to be kept quiet, paid off or eliminated, then the ones that eliminated the ones directly involved would have to be paid off or eliminated. The process soon reaches exponential numbers. Sooner or later some one would talk, hell there have been people who have talked about lesser secrets that have been carried out by the government. It has been proven that no one can keep a secret, even with threat of prison.

Hell, some of the ops I was one during my stint in the army which were classified during the Reagan era were blabbed about by officers and intel people involved. One was attempted to be blown off as conducted by civilians when it was blown and later six people confirmed it was a military operation under "Intelligence" agency control.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:26:04 PM   
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Yes, I am a "genuine eye-witness". What I said was that what I saw live, in person, with my own eyes, is exactly what was shown on the newsreels.

So you saw the event live. So pray tell what you did see. I have no interest in what television shows. I want to hear the genuine eye-witness testify in utmost detail.

And never mind the collapse of the towers. What I am interested in is the plane that you said you saw hit.


I dont care what your interest is, Im not going to waste my time typing what is readily available in video form.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:27:10 PM   
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I am everywhere and everytime.

Well you aren’t in the pub down the road from me, now are you?

In fact you aren’t in my garden shed either because it doesn't yet have internet connectivity.

If you are in my garden shed then you'll know what colour my rake is?

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:28:37 PM   
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So another eye-witness dud.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:29:18 PM   
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I am everywhere and everytime.

Well you aren’t in the pub down the road from me, now are you?

In fact you aren’t in my garden shed either because it doesn't yet have internet connectivity.

If you are in my garden shed then you'll know what colour my rake is?


If he is at the pub and he's not drunk, please buy him a few rounds. Maybe its sobriety that makes him such a fool.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:30:02 PM   
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If you are in my garden shed then you'll know what colour my rake is?

What is the color of your rake?

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:32:26 PM   
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Yes you are there so tell me what colour my rake is

Forgive me for being sceptical and needing proof that you are everywhere and at every time.


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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:41:24 PM   
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You are going to sit at your keyboard and claim that every person that witnessed the impacts were accounted for? What about workers for the port across the river that saw the impacts, at least two hundred were working the docks on that day, and you are going to claim that none of them saw anything? You are going to say the hundreds of people on the ferry to the statue of liberty saw nothing? You are going to claim that after the first impact no one stood at office windows and stared at the twin towers when the second plane hit? You are going to claim that the people evacuating from the first tower and happened to look up saw nothing or were paid to say there was a plane that hit the building?

Yes.

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The flaw with the conspiracy theory that no one even considers is that with the shear number of people involved would have to be kept quiet, paid off or eliminated, then the ones that eliminated the ones directly involved would have to be paid off or eliminated. The process soon reaches exponential numbers. Sooner or later some one would talk, hell there have been people who have talked about lesser secrets that have been carried out by the government. It has been proven that no one can keep a secret, even with threat of prison.

So let us assume that you were one of the people on the team that planted the bombs in the two towers. Your reward is your heart's desire: say the hat of your departed grandmother that was blown of her head during the storm of 1972. What motive do you have for speaking and risking losing that hat, who are you going to tell and why do you want that person to die?

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:45:57 PM   
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Dodging the question I see.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:48:57 PM   
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Pff, if you are a solipsist you do not know the color of your rake either. If you are a solipsist you do not even know that you have a rake nor a garden shed.

My eyes are only as good as your eyes. willbeurdaddy refuses to let me see through his eyes, so I see nothing.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 5:53:23 PM   
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Perhaps you should try to stop talking out of his arse first then he might let you utilise other body parts by proxy.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 6:13:55 PM   
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I know that there are lots of people who claim to be eye-witnesses. I have investigated only a few of them, just as I have investigated only a few of the people that were in the towers. As I said before the planes were my main focus. The small number of New York eye-witnesses that I investigated were all somehow either tainted of I could not get sufficient information about them. Nor was it easy to gather information about some of the people that allegedly died during the collapses of the towers.

There is a big silence out there. How many of those eye-witnesses have blogged about what they observed? How many have posted about it in forums? I did try to find such and I cannot recall that I found any.

Whenever someone does claim to be an eye-witness, when personally challenged by me they clam shut, a recent example of which is willbeurdaddy.

Then there are the secondary considerations when someone does testify: Is he telling the truth or does he merely think that he is telling the truth? What is his statement exactly? Did he in fact observe what he saw, or has his mind filled in the gaps?

I personally know someone who has testified to me that he once saw a werewolf up close (about two metres, I estimate). I consider his testimony as to what he observed far more credible than the testimony of all New York eye-witnesses together.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 6:45:14 PM   
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I watched the second (obviously imaginary) plane hit

That would be Flight 175 hitting the South Tower (WTC2). That plane was one of the two that did exist, but it landed elsewhere.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 7:24:52 PM   
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I know that there are lots of people who claim to be eye-witnesses. I have investigated only a few of them, just as I have investigated only a few of the people that were in the towers. As I said before the planes were my main focus. The small number of New York eye-witnesses that I investigated were all somehow either tainted of I could not get sufficient information about them. Nor was it easy to gather information about some of the people that allegedly died during the collapses of the towers.

If no planes were involved, where did the engine parts, seats, landing gear assemblies, etc. come from, that were scattered for blocks around?

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 7:30:49 PM   
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Rule, what you are saying about the LIVE footage of the second plane hitting the second tower is faked, which means that every reporter, cameraman, producer present for EVERY NETWORK was in on the conspiracy.

Perhaps you are too young to know about IRAN/CONTRA, which was a classified operation during the Reagan era. The whole CIA operation was blown by one man who decided to talk about what he knew, regardless of the fact that by doing so would have landed his ass in a federal prison, for a minimum of 25 years (check the penalties for violating the national secrets act or violating a security blackout under the UCMJ.) He was given immunity by congress for his testimony, while others tried to cover it up.

There is no way that someone somewhere would open his mouth to congress or some other public forum that would cover his or her ass. You dont think that congress would have given someone immunity for the truth?

No, the people involved, everyone would have to be eliminated or held somewhere incommunicado. Since there are only a few places in the country that can be done, and we would be talking about a few hundred if not a few thousand people, the large increase of prison population would be noticed.

In case you haven't noticed, there have been more people working in classified areas coming forward to talk about what they have been doing while the government has tried to keep a lid on it. Covert operatives have had their covers blown, the Aurora spy plane project has been all but confirmed, hell you can even get up to the hour satellite photos of area 51. Google earth has it as a set search point.

Let me give you an alternative theory that is more logical and makes sense, at least to someone that was in a covert ops unit in the army.


1) The Bush Administration needed a reason to go to war. They had been warned by outgoing Clinton Intel agency heads that Al Qaeda was planning something big. They were briefed by their own people in August. They purposely ignored the information as 'UNFOUNDED," while telling a select few intel people to sit on the information.

2) The state department issued visas to the 9/11 terrorists to enter the country, even though many of them were a terrorist watch list. Since the CIA has a presence in every embassy, I would say that a select few CIA operatives were responsible for the visas being issued, probably having been told that the men would be under surveillance after entering the country which didn't happen.

3) During the terrorists trips to the US prior to 9/11, they all took flight training at various flight schools (confirmed facts) and nothing was done because the surveillance was either non-existent, or done poorly.

4) On 9/11, despite being on watch lists, these men boarded aircraft as passengers, somehow getting knives through security (Ceramic blades have been around for awhile and don't trip metal detectors) and again, surveillance was either poorly done or non existent. The planes were crashed into the buildings and the field in PA.

5) During the 9/11 congressional hearings, Intelligence analysts repeatedly said that the intel was there, credible and not acted on. The President had been briefed and failed to act on the information. The Bush claimed that the only thing he had been briefed on was the fact that an attack was imminent.

6) Bush got his war in Afghanistan, and used Al Qaeda as one reason to invade Iraq. The first reason was that Iraq had WMD's, which the Intel community kept saying there was no evidence for such a claim, then after no WMD's were found, President Bush then claimed that Hussain had connections to Osama Bin Laden, which also turned out to be false. It was proven that Hussain had all Al Qaeda operatives found in Iraq executed.

The brilliance about this theory is that only one or two people may have known about the over all plan, OR most likely, with the budget for counter terrorism operations both foreign and domestic was at an all time low, there really was no personnel available to keep the terrorists under 24/7 watch.

Everyone seemed to testify that they were concerned with another bombing, not a hijacking. Strangely enough, after the fact, there was a number of reports that these men had been attending flight training.

Now, considering that the money trail to Al Qaeda has shown it is a well funded organization, it is not beyond reason that they had the funds to pay for the schools. After 9/11 assets even remotely linked to Al Qaeda were frozen in the US and other countries.

Another strange point is that Israeli operated businesses in the WTC were closed, or I should say, were allegedly closed on 9/11, implying that the Israelis were aware of something happening on 9/11 concerning the WTC, and had their people avoid the Trade Center on the day in question.


The above scenario makes logical sense, and has precedent, considering that hours prior to Pearl Harbor, information that confirmed the impending declaration of war was in the hands of the war department, the war warning was sent to all over seas commands as a standard cable, NOT as priority, which meant that delivery would not have been rushed.

In fact, the cable to General Short arrived after the attacks were already underway, as a standard cable, and took another couple of hours to be decoded.

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 8:30:35 PM   
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You know nothing, jfl1961. The pattern goes back to 1978 or 1976 if I recall my research correctly.

You suggest that you were in a covert ops unit in the army? I cannot take that seriously. Your way of thinking is way too superficial for such a function.

RealOne has already stated that the people who planned this have an IQ of 160 at minimum. (Which is way, way higher than mine.) Do you have any idea how such people regard people with average IQ and even university level IQ? They regard them as slow-witted animals. Ordinary people are no match for them.

Do you really think that the people who are the leaders (those in government and the corporation moguls) of the USA, the most powerful country in the world, are morons? Boy, have they got fooled you!

Wanna buy an Eiffel tower?

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RE: SENATE BURGLARY: CIA DOMESTIC BLACK-OP TEAM ARRESTED - 2/4/2010 8:33:07 PM   
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If no planes were involved, where did the engine parts, seats, landing gear assemblies, etc. come from, that were scattered for blocks around?

Indeed.

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