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Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/1/2010 7:45:35 PM   
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This must be driving The Peace Democrats, Code Pink, The No Nuke Greenies and lots and lots of other folks on the far left of the spectrum bonkers...

I wonder who will be the first of the President's defenders to hit with "Oh yeah, well... Bush, Reagan, Conservatives, Republicans, NeoCon, Zionist, Fundies...

I tend to agree that we, the United States, need better and more efficient nukes before we get rid of the old outdated ones. I mean, if we can get one weapons system that does what five did before, then we can brag we have less nuclear wapons. That's what the Peace movement wants right?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100202/ap_on_re_us/us_nuclear_lab_budgets_1

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/1/2010 8:11:25 PM   
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Speaking as a card-carrying member of the Sierra Club, MoveOn, and a genuine tree hugging peacenik (I even eat hemp granola- HAH!)

Are we reading the same article?

From the article:
"NNSA Administrator Thomas D'Agostino defended putting more money into the programs, saying the U.S. needs the best nuclear weapons facilities, scientists, technicians and engineers as it moves toward eventual disarmament.

"This budget is implementing the president's nuclear vision," he said.

NNSA wants a 4.7 percent overall increase for infrastructure to more than $2.3 billion, including money for major long-term projects to replace aging buildings for plutonium work at Los Alamos and uranium work at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee.

Los Alamos' budget includes about $225 million for design work for a chemical and metallurgy research replacement building, known as CMRR, to replace a 58-year-old lab where scientists analyze samples of plutonium and other radioactive materials.

Watchdog groups contend CMRR positions the U.S. to build more nuclear weapons by giving Los Alamos the capacity to make large numbers of new plutonium pit designs — the triggers of nuclear weapons.

Los Alamos lab officials have said the facility would replace existing capabilities and would be needed for other science, even if Los Alamos didn't do pit production
"

So Obama went along with Republicans who demanded that if he wanted to curtail nuclear weapons, he could get their support if he also increased funds for these agencies; which he did, and the funds appear to mostly be used for:

...building new buildings. Oh, teh horror! Teh warmongering pigs!

If one really, really, wanted to gin up some partisan argument, one could (if one were a card-carrying member of the Sierra Club, MoveOn, and a granola eating hippie) say that this is really just porkbarrel stimulus make-work projects that happen to be in the states and districts of influential members of Congress.

But hey, I am groovy with that.

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/1/2010 8:12:47 PM   
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Uh, a nuke is pretty efficient at destroying a target, how much more efficient does it need to be? The money is for the newest generation of nuclear weapons.

Personally, I think a good use of the old nukes would be against terrorist strongholds. But then I am a firm believer in overkill, if you are worried about the possibility of an ambush, call in a carpet bombing strike along the line of march.

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/1/2010 8:20:44 PM   
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Yeah, should be no repercussions from that.....



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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/1/2010 8:58:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Speaking as a card-carrying member of the Sierra Club, MoveOn, and a genuine tree hugging peacenik (I even eat hemp granola- HAH!)

Are we reading the same article?

From the article:
"NNSA Administrator Thomas D'Agostino defended putting more money into the programs, saying the U.S. needs the best nuclear weapons facilities, scientists, technicians and engineers as it moves toward eventual disarmament.

"This budget is implementing the president's nuclear vision," he said.

NNSA wants a 4.7 percent overall increase for infrastructure to more than $2.3 billion, including money for major long-term projects to replace aging buildings for plutonium work at Los Alamos and uranium work at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee.

Los Alamos' budget includes about $225 million for design work for a chemical and metallurgy research replacement building, known as CMRR, to replace a 58-year-old lab where scientists analyze samples of plutonium and other radioactive materials.

Watchdog groups contend CMRR positions the U.S. to build more nuclear weapons by giving Los Alamos the capacity to make large numbers of new plutonium pit designs — the triggers of nuclear weapons.

Los Alamos lab officials have said the facility would replace existing capabilities and would be needed for other science, even if Los Alamos didn't do pit production
"

So Obama went along with Republicans who demanded that if he wanted to curtail nuclear weapons, he could get their support if he also increased funds for these agencies; which he did, and the funds appear to mostly be used for:

...building new buildings. Oh, teh horror! Teh warmongering pigs!

If one really, really, wanted to gin up some partisan argument, one could (if one were a card-carrying member of the Sierra Club, MoveOn, and a granola eating hippie) say that this is really just porkbarrel stimulus make-work projects that happen to be in the states and districts of influential members of Congress.

But hey, I am groovy with that.



Funny Rex you left out this:

Greg Mello, director of the nuclear watchdog Los Alamos Study Group, said budgets for NNSA and DOE have increased in recent years, but the nation "hasn't seen any increase in weapons activities like this since the early years of Ronald Reagan."

He called the budget "a complete surrender to Senate Republicans," who have argued that stockpile reductions must be accompanied by a modernized nuclear weapons complex.


It was right in the middle of your above quote from the article but some how I guess it evaporated from your cut and paste.

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/1/2010 9:19:31 PM   
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I cut it out because Greg Mello seems to be tacking hard to the paranoid fringe.

"Surrendering to the Republicans" probably warms the heart of the Palinistas, but seems unsubstantiated here.

Are we building more bombs? Doesn't sound like it.
Making the bombs we have more lethal? I didn't see that.

If you just skim articles looking for "Surrender to Republicans" and "...since Ronald Reagan" you will likely end up in bed with the firebaggers a group of leftists so doctrinaire they see no difference between Obama and Ronald Reagan, and are fond of the meme that Obama is, yes you guessed it, "Surrendering to the Republicans."

I just don't see that this is a great big nuclear expansion; it seems more like a modest increase to build buildings, hire experts, and improve equipment.

Obama is, as his supporters claimed all along, a moderate Democrat in the mold of Harry Truman and Jack Kennedy. He is not a peacenik, not a Marxist, not really an extremist in anything other than remaining the last calm and sane voice in the madhouse.

Actually, thats not quite right. Truman was far, far to the left of Obama economically, and Kennedy was much more muscular in his willingness to use brute political power to enact social justice. Obama is a bit closer to Eisenhower in his actual policies.

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/1/2010 9:28:23 PM   
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Weird that Obama's administration would be doing this when we're entering a budget crunch.

A little background:  Rocky Flats in Colorado (where I worked for five years) used to manufacture the pits (aka triggers) and that work was shut down by Bush 41.  At the time, Los Alamos was the only other place in the DOE complex capable of manufacturing pits. But it did not have the expertise or the production capacity of Rocky Flats.

So the entire idea may be ensuring that pit production could reattain Cold War levels if necessary.  Or it could be a payoff to the GOP, as suggested.  Or a way to reach out to NM Dems.


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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/1/2010 9:45:34 PM   
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or a secret plot by the Illuminati to TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/2/2010 4:01:16 PM   
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No, just the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States of America bringing his arsenal and its support into the Twenty-first century.

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/2/2010 4:06:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Uh, a nuke is pretty efficient at destroying a target, how much more efficient does it need to be? The money is for the newest generation of nuclear weapons.

Personally, I think a good use of the old nukes would be against terrorist strongholds. But then I am a firm believer in overkill, if you are worried about the possibility of an ambush, call in a carpet bombing strike along the line of march.


Are you really serious ? Use nuclear bombs against allied contries, because the terrorists are based there ?

As for carpet bombing, it didnt work at Cu Chi did it.

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/2/2010 4:08:26 PM   
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Did somebody suggest carpet bombing with nukes? That should make for an interesting video. Wonder what the fallout from that would be like (pun intended).

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/2/2010 4:10:09 PM   
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HA! Now that's funny.

Dark,

but funny.

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/2/2010 4:14:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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Did somebody suggest carpet bombing with nukes? That should make for an interesting video. Wonder what the fallout from that would be like (pun intended).


The terroists would only hide under the cloud cover.

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RE: Dr. Strangelove, meet President Obama - 2/2/2010 4:22:08 PM   
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Yeah, but there would be a lot less to terrorize

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