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lucylucy -> RE: Knife Play (2/2/2010 6:00:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

My fear is real.  And that is what my Master wants, my fear, not my blood.  Therefore, knife play is very real to us.  Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.


What eyesopened said is true for me, as well. A few times I've been blindfolded and my owner has dragged a screwdriver along my skin. Since I was blindfolded, I had no idea it wasn't a knife and I reacted as if it could cut me. Was it any less real because it was only a screwdriver? Not at all. My fear was authentic.



domiguy -> RE: Knife Play (2/2/2010 6:53:42 PM)

I am sorry but it does nothing for me. I get as excited about knife play as I did when I won that all expenses included trip to Gor.

For the damage that it is going to inflict it might as well be a butter knife or a spork.  But no, it is some finely crafted ornate knife usually looking rather ridiculous like something that a klingon would brandish.  Scary shit indeed!!!....

"It's K-K-K-Ken c-c-c-coming to c-c-c-cut me....Oh no!!!" 

I would fall asleep.



slaveluci -> RE: Knife Play (2/2/2010 7:31:29 PM)

If you're falling asleep, you're doing it wrong. I don't know about using butter knives, sporks and ornately carved swords and the like. But a sharp, 10 inch Bowie knife flips my switch. I don't get off on the mere threat of being told He has a knife or just feeling it scrape across my skin. I like it when it actually digs in, cuts and bleeds. Hot stuff! I've gotten so hot during knife "play" that I've been tempted to fuck the knife. Nothing dull and boring about it for me when done right[;)] I absolutely love it...............luci



Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: Knife Play (2/2/2010 7:44:31 PM)

Yeah, I'm not one who just caresses the skin with a butter knife...lol. I LOVE big sharp pointy knives! I crave that look of fear when I bring them out. I often draw some blood just so that look of fear is genuine. I don't actually stab anyone, nor do I cut so deeply as to require stitches, but I have left a very fine etched tattoo on a person, and would do it again.

The entire thrill of knife play for me is the expressed vulnerability and fear. If that wasn't present, I most likely wouldn't be interested.

Although, on one occasion, I brought out my knives and the bottom didn't express fear, as he had thought he would, instead he was shocked by his own arousal. That was kinda hot too. But that was hot because he didn't think he would be aroused, and his reaction to his arousal was priceless.



NuevaVida -> RE: Knife Play (2/2/2010 8:33:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

If you're falling asleep, you're doing it wrong. I don't know about using butter knives, sporks and ornately carved swords and the like. But a sharp, 10 inch Bowie knife flips my switch. I don't get off on the mere threat of being told He has a knife or just feeling it scrape across my skin. I like it when it actually digs in, cuts and bleeds. Hot stuff! I've gotten so hot during knife "play" that I've been tempted to fuck the knife. Nothing dull and boring about it for me when done right[;)] I absolutely love it...............luci


luci I've just fallen in love with you all over again.  [:D]



Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Knife Play (2/2/2010 8:38:54 PM)

I hope what I about to write will make sense. This is why some people work off from the "No Limits" concept. Mind you, there are limits in play. However, the Dominant is entrusted with how far to go. It opens the door for more realistic mind fucks. OMG, we are playing with no limits.. which means.. Geee.. the Dom/me just might.. do... cut, prick or whatever they are threatening to do. Mind you, often "No Limits" really is code word for "Dominants Limits" when it appears on submissive profiles. Generally, most Dominants (Majority) have some limits to how far to go with things. This is a sort of touchy area that get's debated at times.

However, the very thing you express in your post is the very same reason why some people have "No Limits" on their profile.

To be honest with you, there is much that is talked about and discussed on the message board regarding BDSM, that well.. frankly, I've not gone into such great lengths with relatonship partners in the past. The Dom Couple relationship was rather interesting for me.. because her and I never sat down and tried to set limits to how far to go in hurting one another. Sort of unspoken thing to not chop off body parts, or go for Intentional Deep Lacerations and such. I'm reflecting upon this relationship, because I was on the recieving end as well as giving end of some rough and crazy ass play time together. I have fading scar from a fork left on my arm. :-( It reminds of a special moment in time. I not ask to be ever jabbed with a fork nor talked about it. Then again, she was holding it out at me in a defensive posture.. while we were roughing housing around in the kitchen. I've shared this story before on here, but still none the less. I looking at that scar tonight, it's fading, I'm sort of sad that it's fading. However, I can honestly say, not too many girls in my life have left a mark on me. Again, this is something we never talked about. She could have probally run me through with the Damn Fork, but did'nt. The way she went about stabbing me with it.. was not a lunge, nor with a great amount of force to Go Deep. She simply pressed it down on my arm, used a little leverage and scrap in the away direction. (Okay, somewhat Sane and Safe in a relevent sort of manner). If she had literally tried to stab me in a deeper harmful manner.. that would have been a different story.

What's the Moral to the story? She inflicted pain and a wound upon me in a manner, where it was clear to not bring me any great real or true harm. Did I mind? Well sort of, kind of, but not really. Did it violate my trust in her? Not at all. It's rather difficult for me to share with you things from a submissives perspective because I ain't submissive. I'm sharing with you something from a humanistic perspective.

I will tell you this, I would be more likely to let her jab me with a fork compared to a complete stranger to whom I personally matter very little too.

I think, what counts the most, is actually knowing that they care enough about you, to do things with some caution and care involved. Hell, I ain't even submissive.

I do think some people might throw a fit at being harmed at all. I was with one girl, who could not stand the sight of Blood at all. However, I'm the kind of guy that will watch my own blood being taken. Hell, last time I donated blood I was laying there on the table watching the bag fill up, they caught me watching it and they removed it from my sight... (cause of some hide the bag from view rule). Then again, I'm a little weird anyways, I was enjoying it. I was thinking about the next time I give blood to insist the Terms include me being able to watch it. (sort of screw with their world).

Anyways, what was the point I was trying to make? For some people the sight of their own blood is enough for them to freak out or pass out. Back to the girl I was with that was like that. I would never dream in a million years of sheding a tear drop of her blood intentionally. That would have caused some major issues and hard feelings without question.

Now, to answer your question. The Mind Fuck Factor... I know if I had taken her and pretended to cut her and used some warm colored fluid to pass off as blood. She would have been freaking out, she would have got dizzy to the point of passing out. It ALL very much would have been real in her mind. I think by the time she came around and realized I had pulled an Ashton Kutcher and she been PUNKD... Well, Hell if I know or can begin to guess... I never would dream of doing this to her. Now there are a few girls in my past, I can tell you without a doubt, would have freaked out, then laughed and smiled knowing they had been PUNKD.

Yes, the experience of being PUNKD is real with real reactions, This is what makes it so interesting and even entertaining and it does push people's limits. But even Ashton Kutcher knows when it's time to jump out from behind the hidden Camera and let somebody know they are being PUNKD. Best to read how somebody is reacting to the MIND FUCK going on. So, be it a Scene play thing or a Practical Joke or whatever... it's all the same concept at work.

I'm taking a deep breath... there is so much more I could post in response.



Kana -> RE: Knife Play (2/2/2010 10:20:30 PM)

 Big knife play fan here.
I took all sorts of martial arts as a youth (go figure-skinny kid with a loud mouth needed to learn how to fight) including two years of weapons combat training where I learned to use things like katana's, wakazashi's, shuriken, bo sticks, etc...
I looooooove blades, and knives ain't half bad either.
Matter of fact, I have a few swords lurking in my living room that have found their way across, and occasionally into, female flesh before.
I've done both extreme edge play of the cutting and no cutting variety.
It has zilch to do with blood for me and everything to do with trust and control-her ceding surrender is the heart of the erotic, especially when dancing way out on an edge, doing something like giving a razor blade massage.
and I gotta tell you, doing light razor play, the type of cuts that don't draw blood but still can be used for things such as carving initials, can be mind-blowing. It's hot as all get out to see my name carved on her ass, knowing that she sees the same thing whenever she looks in the mirror naked..




allthatjaz -> RE: Knife Play (2/3/2010 1:25:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lucylucy


quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened

My fear is real.  And that is what my Master wants, my fear, not my blood.  Therefore, knife play is very real to us.  Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.


What eyesopened said is true for me, as well. A few times I've been blindfolded and my owner has dragged a screwdriver along my skin. Since I was blindfolded, I had no idea it wasn't a knife and I reacted as if it could cut me. Was it any less real because it was only a screwdriver? Not at all. My fear was authentic.


I agree with this. My partner certainly has the ability to fuck with my head, especially when it comes to things like knives because he always uses boat knives and those things slice through bone with ease.
He's blindfolded me and demanded I stay very still whilst he slipped the knife inside me. I didn't know that he was actually using the handle end of a spoon! As far as I was concerned I had a very sharp blade in a very vulnerable area.

He's never cut me with a knife, he uses scalpels for that and makes very precise clean cuts but I always believe he might and he's never let me believe that he wouldn't.



Andalusite -> RE: Knife Play (2/4/2010 8:30:15 AM)

I'm not fearful during non-cutting knife play (which is what I've engaged in so far even when the knives were very sharp). I'm extremely ticklish, so I need to be completely immobilised and test the bondage first to make sure I won't jerk or wiggle and move *into* the knife accidentally.

So far, I've only used my knife which isn't sharp enough to draw blood, but just enough to leave pink scratches to trace where it has been. I also use the flat of the blade as a paddle, the decoration at the pommel's end as a very thuddy impact toy, the ridges on the side of the pommel as an abrasion toy, and so forth. My submissive playpartner isn't at all fearful of it, but I certainly still consider it to be "real" play. :) It's one of my favourite, most versatile toys.



kuriouswitch -> RE: Knife Play (2/4/2010 6:23:15 PM)

I enjoy knife play, for me it's not so much a "fear" thing as it is the idea that he can do anything he wants. I'm not totally helpless but the idea is there. I think for me it's more anticipation, is he going to cut me and if so where? And if he doesn't, why not?



slaveluci -> RE: Knife Play (2/4/2010 8:46:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveluci

If you're falling asleep, you're doing it wrong. I don't know about using butter knives, sporks and ornately carved swords and the like. But a sharp, 10 inch Bowie knife flips my switch. I don't get off on the mere threat of being told He has a knife or just feeling it scrape across my skin. I like it when it actually digs in, cuts and bleeds. Hot stuff! I've gotten so hot during knife "play" that I've been tempted to fuck the knife. Nothing dull and boring about it for me when done right[;)] I absolutely love it...............luci


luci I've just fallen in love with you all over again.  [:D]


Why thank you, darling. I knew somebody out there must agree[;)].........luci



Hawkwindblues -> RE: Knife Play (2/4/2010 9:14:07 PM)

Your morning starts with thoughts about knife play, mine have started 30 minutes ago and i graduated to black tea with milk.

Concerning knife play:

Your described scene was as real as the bottom and you were able to make it real. The threat is for me in knife play with or without cut the most important factor. When you were serious and the bottom could follow you, the cut/no cut would be to me not of any importance. Knifes are very archaic and the staging is half of the thrill.




Frankseas -> RE: Knife Play (2/6/2010 11:00:20 AM)

Thanks Ladypact for a great subject. "To cut or not to Cut?" that is in the mind of the Domme or Dom and could also be requested by those that have a kink in watching their blood ooze out from a shallow cut! No cuts should leave a scar if done properly and good care is taken after.

But in the mind of the sub/slave a cut that is not done can still feel real to them and increase their fear and excitement level. One trick I loved with my slave was using a very sharp knife and by proving it as I cut my thumb or hand in front of her. Then as she lay bound and helpless I would run the blade over and around her breasts as well as between her legs ever so lightly!

But being the sneaky bastard I am she never noticed when I flipped the blade over to the dull side! Was a lot safer for her and less messy for me![;)]

Think ahead before you do your knife play and always expect the unexpected.



sleepingbeauty2 -> RE: Knife Play (2/6/2010 7:08:14 PM)

since Master would never REALLY hurt me, and I know this, how can Knife play be "real". I think it would be cool to work to that fear level, but I don't think I could do it.



DomImus -> RE: Knife Play (2/7/2010 4:42:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I like playing with that kind of fear.  Even though the bottom knows that I wouldn't intentionally break their hard limit, there's still that part in them that is afraid because of what I could do.


My question would be is exploiting a hard limit in this fashion - simply for the mind fuck value - ethical behavior?

I am not suggesting that it is unethical. I am asking for opinion. Like you, I find it to be quite hot and the ultimate mind fuck. My own scenario would be needle play instead of knife play since the prep portion of that can be long and very drawn out. Why the hard limit is a hard limit would factor greatly into the equation. If someone had knife play as a hard limit because they had once been attacked at knife point then that's one hard limit probably better left unexploited.

To answer your other question about - did it happen? Personally, I would say no only because when I have dabbled in knife play the skin was cut and blood flowed. In your scenario a great mind fuck happened but knife play did not (again only in my opinion). Like my needle play example - until a needle pierces the skin it has not happened - all mind fucks aside. Same could be said about electrical play. You can scare someone with an energized violet wand but unless you make contact with it energized it didn't happen.





Wolf2Bear -> RE: Knife Play (2/7/2010 6:38:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

With that, My mind drifted to a very specific area of knife play.  More accurately stated as those who really enjoy knives, but not to the extent of being cut.  Those who like the cold steel being dragged along the skin, without the skin being opened or any blood being a part of the play.

So, in My head, I was combining these two different thoughts.  Some people don't 'play' unless a scene is real.  At the same time, there are also folks out there who enjoy knife play, but have a hard limit of cutting or scarification in any way.  Then, I thought, for some people, isn't part of the thrill of knife play the very fact that there is some fear based on what isn't real?  Isn't part of the fun being afraid of the potential that the top *could* cut them, even though they know the person they are playing with wouldn't intentionally break their hard limit of cutting them?

From the top side, I know this is part of why knife play (without cutting) appeals to Me.  I like playing with that kind of fear.  Even though the bottom knows that I wouldn't intentionally break their hard limit, there's still that part in them that is afraid because of what I could do.  Blade in My hand while they are bound and helpless, with no immediate escape unless I set them free.  It's not anything that I even have to vocalize.  I know the what if's that are running through their mind.  What if I might break their limit?  What if they are really in danger?  What if I'm not as trustworthy as they led themselves to believe I am?

Of course, at some point, the scene ends.  The bottom was never really cut.  The threat and the helplessness gone.

So, My question is, was it real, or not?



In my view, yes it is real and depending on the person will define the degree of realness to how they are experiencing during that scene. The first time I ever saw a person cut was the very first time I went to a club and caught the tail end to a cutting scene and I admit Iw as quite uneasy regarding the end result. A large part of the fun or excitement is based on the the "danger" or "riskiness" of the activity. And I do fully admit that I do seek that element of 'danger' whether it's in a kink based play or even sex in a semi public place with a danger of being "discovered". In some ways that behavior is in some way breaking inhibitions/limits that I have and need to completely destroy.





StrangerThan -> RE: Knife Play (2/7/2010 6:43:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

***Disclaimer***

This topic may not be suited for everyone.

I thought it might be interesting this morning to talk about knife play.  It was something that occurred to Me while I was reading another thread where the topic went to discussing if something was wanted it wasn't really forced and things that aren't real don't appeal to some. 

With that, My mind drifted to a very specific area of knife play.  More accurately stated as those who really enjoy knives, but not to the extent of being cut.  Those who like the cold steel being dragged along the skin, without the skin being opened or any blood being a part of the play.

So, in My head, I was combining these two different thoughts.  Some people don't 'play' unless a scene is real.  At the same time, there are also folks out there who enjoy knife play, but have a hard limit of cutting or scarification in any way.  Then, I thought, for some people, isn't part of the thrill of knife play the very fact that there is some fear based on what isn't real?  Isn't part of the fun being afraid of the potential that the top *could* cut them, even though they know the person they are playing with wouldn't intentionally break their hard limit of cutting them?

From the top side, I know this is part of why knife play (without cutting) appeals to Me.  I like playing with that kind of fear.  Even though the bottom knows that I wouldn't intentionally break their hard limit, there's still that part in them that is afraid because of what I could do.  Blade in My hand while they are bound and helpless, with no immediate escape unless I set them free.  It's not anything that I even have to vocalize.  I know the what if's that are running through their mind.  What if I might break their limit?  What if they are really in danger?  What if I'm not as trustworthy as they led themselves to believe I am?

Of course, at some point, the scene ends.  The bottom was never really cut.  The threat and the helplessness gone.

So, My question is, was it real, or not?



I think the question is more, to whom did the reality exist, if indeed it did?  In many types of scenes, creating the reality in the submissive's mind can determine how effective that scene is, regardless of how far you intend the scene to go.

I like knife play to an extent. A good, sharp knife is my favorite way of removing those scattered dots of wax I sometimes leave on her skin and the admonishment is always, Do NOT move. There is a danger she will be cut, but not if she listens and obeys because I will take the time and the patience to both remove those dots and ensure she won't be cut. Sometimes in the middle of a scene, I'll cut one or more ropes loose that were intentionallly placed for that specific purpose. The knife again is sharp, and the feel of cold steel right there against her skin. She knows she has to obey, has to do exactly as I tell her or run the risk. And of course, there is sometimes, the "other" knife, the one that wouldn't cut a wet paper bad even if you sawed at it. She doesn't know when it is in play however, as one of the last images she saw was a knife I could shave with if I wanted to.

I'm not into cutting myself, but understand she could be cut in our play. I assume that responsibility because I will not put the knife in play until I have her mind where I want it. Sometimes that is wrapped in hot and heated thoughts. Sometimes it is aswirl with the shivering knowledge that the blade felt is close, sharp and she has no control. Where it always is however is the trust that lies between us.

It becomes then, my place to ensure that trust is not broken or harmed. That blend lends a good bit of reality to the session, regardless of the intent.



DomImus -> RE: Knife Play (2/8/2010 5:57:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomImus

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I like playing with that kind of fear.  Even though the bottom knows that I wouldn't intentionally break their hard limit, there's still that part in them that is afraid because of what I could do.


My question would be is exploiting a hard limit in this fashion - simply for the mind fuck value - ethical behavior?

I am not suggesting that it is unethical. I am asking for opinion. Like you, I find it to be quite hot and the ultimate mind fuck. My own scenario would be needle play instead of knife play since the prep portion of that can be long and very drawn out. Why the hard limit is a hard limit would factor greatly into the equation. If someone had knife play as a hard limit because they had once been attacked at knife point then that's one hard limit probably better left unexploited.

To answer your other question about - did it happen? Personally, I would say no only because when I have dabbled in knife play the skin was cut and blood flowed. In your scenario a great mind fuck happened but knife play did not (again only in my opinion). Like my needle play example - until a needle pierces the skin it has not happened - all mind fucks aside. Same could be said about electrical play. You can scare someone with an energized violet wand but unless you make contact with it energized it didn't happen.


Nobody wants to offer an opinion on this?





domiguy -> RE: Knife Play (2/8/2010 6:08:08 PM)

The problem with posters is their inability to follow along with the op's original intent.

I believe the facts are that there will be no cutting....Sabe?

Without  the chance of cutting where is the mind fuck?  To me there is none. 

I don't remotely expect to die when going on a roller coaster.  It never crosses my mind.

If there is a knife in play and there is no chance of drawing blood why not use a spork?



LadyPact -> RE: Knife Play (2/8/2010 6:52:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomImus

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomImus

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I like playing with that kind of fear.  Even though the bottom knows that I wouldn't intentionally break their hard limit, there's still that part in them that is afraid because of what I could do.


My question would be is exploiting a hard limit in this fashion - simply for the mind fuck value - ethical behavior?

I am not suggesting that it is unethical. I am asking for opinion. Like you, I find it to be quite hot and the ultimate mind fuck. My own scenario would be needle play instead of knife play since the prep portion of that can be long and very drawn out. Why the hard limit is a hard limit would factor greatly into the equation. If someone had knife play as a hard limit because they had once been attacked at knife point then that's one hard limit probably better left unexploited.

To answer your other question about - did it happen? Personally, I would say no only because when I have dabbled in knife play the skin was cut and blood flowed. In your scenario a great mind fuck happened but knife play did not (again only in my opinion). Like my needle play example - until a needle pierces the skin it has not happened - all mind fucks aside. Same could be said about electrical play. You can scare someone with an energized violet wand but unless you make contact with it energized it didn't happen.


Nobody wants to offer an opinion on this?




I actually didn't see it when originally posted.  I only got back home this afternoon.

I think you may be making a progression that I didn't intend in the original.  I am looking at this as knife play and actual cuttings as two different things.  I never said the knife play was the hard limit, but in fact cutting. 

The mind fuck in this instance, the 'what could happen', doesn't necessarily have to be created by Me.  That happens all within the mind of the bottom.  If anything, it comes about due to the fact that I've been truthful with them.  (For example, lay still so there won't be any accidents.)

I hope this addresses your inquiry.  My head is still a bit in the clouds (yes, I know, I shouldn't post while in top space) so I may be misreading.



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