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DomKen -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 12:58:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen 77 of the 178 Republican house members come from the 12 southern states. That's 43.25%. The Presidentail balloting from 2008 also reflects a similiar demographic. I looked for data on voter registration by party in the states, but I came up empty. I didn't think to check the membership of the House, but that's good enough for me. Damn, times do change don't they? K. The GOP is really on the verge of becoming a regional party. The party's recent emphasis on social issues doesn't sit well with the middle class suburban whites that were its primary constituency. I had hopes that the losses in 2006 and 2008 would bring the traditional fiscal conservative and socially moderate Republicans back to power but it appears that the social conservatives are too firmly entrenched.

rulemylife -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 5:06:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus A poll on a political blog that has a decided liberal bent? That's my kind of objective news source, yessirree. Yet how many times do conservatives on here post Fox/Rasmussen polls as objective?

Sanity -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 6:31:01 AM)
Call me when the hypocritical Libs around here are just as outraged by Obama's black supremacist "Black Liberation Theology" church. Til then I'm gonna hit the snooze bar on all this (literally) manufactured outrage. quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 The Republicans need to distance themselves from those nutty holy rollers! "Genesis?" What if someone isn't christian? Then "genesis" wouldn't mean a damn thing to them! They should just come out and say that if you're a holy roller you're not welcome in the republican party. Then the democrats could take them! Seriously, the "far right" or the "far left" aren't good for politics. It's funny, all the lefties walking around like they're shell shocked these days after being Owned by Obama! lol

thishereboi -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 8:16:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnimusRex Well, I haven't parsed Kos' methodology, and wouldn't know how to dissect it if I did. So I can't verify that this is in fact what Republicans belive. However..... Right on cue..... on Hardball tonight, the following exchange took place between Chris Matthews, and Peter Sprigg, of the Family research Council(courtesy John Cole at Balloon Juice blog): Matthews: Do you think we should outlaw gay behavior? Sprigg: Well, I think certainly.. Matthews: I’m just asking, should we outlaw gay behavior? Sprigg: I think the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas which overturned the sodomy laws in this country was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place in this country for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior. Matthews: So we should outlaw gay behavior? Sprigg: YES! (John Cole): No dog whistles there. They aren’t even hiding it anymore. Well if Sprigg said that, I guess it proves that all republicans feel the same way. which leads me to another question. I have a friend and she is a democrat. She has been unemployed for a long time and feels she really doesn't need to go out and look for a job because her unemployment checks cover her expenses. So why do democrats think they don't have to work?

tazzygirl -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 8:55:14 AM)
Why do you paint either party based upon the knowledge of one?

thishereboi -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 9:12:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Why do you paint either party based upon the knowledge of one? I don't, but it seems to be the in thing on CM these days.

tazzygirl -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 9:20:14 AM)
I saw where Master Animus stated he wasnt sure this is what Republicans believe... and cited what one believed. Yet, based upon your post, your trying to draw the assumption that because you have a lazy friend who happens to be a democrat, then all dems must be lazy. perhaps what you should be considering is your choice of friends... and not based upon party affiliation.

popeye1250 -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 9:25:52 AM)
I for one would appreciate it if people in politics would keep their religious beliefs to themselves. I just don't want to hear what they "think" about that subject and if they try to expound on it I wouldn't vote for them.

tazzygirl -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 9:37:32 AM)
Too bad the checks care what religious beliefs a politician has, how they feel about gays/military/abortions/ect.

stella41b -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 9:59:29 AM)
You know there's a question that I've been thinking to voice or ask for some time relating to all this fire and brimstone, Apocalypse Second Coming view.. Okay so let's take Jesus Christ, the Lord, the Saviour and take a look at his life. He and his disciples were subversives, they went against the established order of the Jews and the Romans. Apparently when Pontius Pilate put his fate out there to the 'mob' he was condemned and executed by way of crucifixion. Okay, so what if this Messiah that so many are waiting for turns out to be Osama Bin Laden? What then? ETA: How is that going to be taken in the Bible Belt?

kdsub -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 10:04:49 AM)
We are always putting down religious beliefs in the President of the US.... But I wonder...maybe some one knows for sure. I would guess that the vast majority of world leaders are religious and must proclaim their religion to be elected...Even if a if a democracy…or other form of government. Sure there is Russia, China and N. Korea...but not even sure if their leaders are not religious. So why are we always on just the US? Butch

philosophy -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 10:08:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub We are always putting down religious beliefs in the President of the US.... But I wonder...maybe some one knows for sure. I would guess that the vast majority of world leaders are religious and must proclaim their religion to be elected...Even if a if a democracy…or other form of government. Sure there is Russia, China and N. Korea...but not even sure if their leaders are not religious. So why are we always on just the US? Butch ..because your basic assumption is wrong. If we just consider Western nations, only the US seems to insist that their leaders hold religious beliefs. Indeed, most other countries view leaders with professed political beliefs with a little suspicion. In short, almost everywhere except the US, proclaiming ones religion has no net benefit to being elected and can work against them.

thompsonx -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 10:26:23 AM)
quote: I have a friend and she is a democrat. She has been unemployed for a long time and feels she really doesn't need to go out and look for a job because her unemployment checks cover her expenses. So why do democrats think they don't have to work? Unemployment is an insurance program she paid into and the checks she recieves are the payout of that insurance policy it is not welfare. If you won the lotto tomorrow for a gazillion dollars would it be fair of us to characterize you as lazy because you chose to enjoy your unearned windfall and stopped working? HST

thompsonx -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 10:30:59 AM)
quote: Call me when the hypocritical Libs around here are just as outraged by Obama's black supremacist "Black Liberation Theology" church. Black supremacist church. Just because you cannot disprove anything that the Reverend Wright says you want to accuse him of being a racist. How about some proof. You got this stuck up your ass the last time you did it... HST

kdsub -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 10:40:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub We are always putting down religious beliefs in the President of the US.... But I wonder...maybe some one knows for sure. I would guess that the vast majority of world leaders are religious and must proclaim their religion to be elected...Even if a if a democracy…or other form of government. Sure there is Russia, China and N. Korea...but not even sure if their leaders are not religious. So why are we always on just the US? Butch ..because your basic assumption is wrong. If we just consider Western nations, only the US seems to insist that their leaders hold religious beliefs. Indeed, most other countries view leaders with professed political beliefs with a little suspicion. In short, almost everywhere except the US, proclaiming ones religion has no net benefit to being elected and can work against them. Is not Prime Minster Harper Evangelical...has there ever been an atheist Prime Minster of Canada? Is not Prime Minster Brown a member of the Church of Scotland...has there ever been an atheist Prime Minster of the UK? I would say that indicates you must be religious to be elected in either country. Of course this is my speculation with not proof…just as yours is about the US. Butch

philosophy -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 10:51:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Is not Prime Minster Harper Evangelical...has there ever been an atheist Prime Minster of Canada? Is no Prime Minster Brown a member of the Church of Scotland...has there ever been an atheist Prime Minster of the UK? I would say that indicates you must be religious to be elected in either country. Of course this is my speculation with not proof…just as yours is about the US. Butch .....ok Butch. Let's take this slow. When Blair was elected, there was concern that his religion would colour his decision making, and he had to make a statement that it wouldn't. Arpig pointed to a wonderful Chretian quote a little while back, "I am Prime Minister first and Catholic second"......this in response to the freaking Pope. Gordon Browns religion is known but it was never part of his election platform. Harper is an evangelical, true.......and that fact is a strong part of why he has not won a majority government, because a significent proportion of people do not trust his social agenda. As to aethists in positions of power. Clement Atlee James Callaghan A couple of British Prime ministers who were aethist. This page.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nontheists_(politics_and_law) ...lists a whole lot more politicans who are/were aethist. Let's move on to agnostics...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_agnostics ....you'll notice a lot of Aussie and Kiwi politicians there. So, in short, your assumption is wrong regarding the rest of the world. While there's never been a US President who was aethist or agnostic there are numerous examples from the rest of the world of politicans who are. Someone posted a list here a while back, showing the religions affiliations of your Federal politicans. i don't remember a single aethist or agnostic on the list, but there may have been one i missed. The point is, while in the US religious affiliation is necessary for politicans to get elected, that simply is not true in the rest of the world.

kdsub -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 10:56:49 AM)
I though we were talking Prime ministers or Presidents?...I must admit I could make little sense of your link... Didn’t both Bush and Obama make the same claims about their religion...SOOO it is good enough for your folks but not for ours? Butch

philosophy -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 11:03:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I though we were talking Prime ministers or Presidents?...I must admit I could make little sense of your link... ...Butch, your apparent unwillingness to read is saddening. Clement Atlee and James Calaghan were both British Prime Ministers who were aethist. The first link goes on to name a large number of other politicans who are/were aethist. So, when you asked whether or not any British Prime Minister has ever been an aethist, i answered. quote: Didn’t both Bush and Obama make the same claims about their religion... ...what claims? They both apparently claimed to be doing Gods will, although there's debate over whether Bush ever actually said that. quote: SOOO it is good enough for your folks but not for ours? Butch ......er.........what on earth are you saying? i'm suggesting, nay, openly stating, that the US political process is far more religious than any other western nation. Your assumption that this principle is world wide is simply wrong. No other country demands with such demonstrable success that its politicans hold religious views. Get over it.

kdsub -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 12:06:52 PM)
You said Tony Blair avowed that his religion would not affect his decision-making. Brown has made no such claim…Obama said the same thing and so did Bush so why is that not good enough for both nations. I took just a few seconds to research Attlee…it seems he has stated he believed in the ethics of Christianity and lived by them but not the trappings that came with the religion. When asked if he was a agnostic he said he did not know… Well if he believed in the ethics the how is that different than any other Christian religious Prime Minister? And I know you can’t always depend on Wikipedai but their Callaghan is listed as having a religious affiliation as Baptists. Damn I am going slow… Butch

rulemylife -> RE: American Talibangelicals (2/3/2010 12:44:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub You said Tony Blair avowed that his religion would not affect his decision-making. Brown has made no such claim…Obama said the same thing and so did Bush so why is that not good enough for both nations. When did Bush make such a claim? In fact, I remember him claiming the opposite in many statements that were widely documented. I don't remember Obama commenting in either direction.

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