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Lucylastic -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/5/2010 6:18:39 AM)
Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) has put an extraordinary "blanket hold" on at least 70 nominations President Obama has sent to the Senate, CongressDaily (sub. req.) reports. The hold means no nominations can move forward unless Senate Democrats can secure a 60-member cloture vote to break it, or until Shelby lifts the hold. yeah no obstruction there, lmao

DomImus -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/5/2010 6:26:25 AM)
He has to blame someone.

Thadius -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/5/2010 8:02:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) has put an extraordinary "blanket hold" on at least 70 nominations President Obama has sent to the Senate, CongressDaily (sub. req.) reports. The hold means no nominations can move forward unless Senate Democrats can secure a 60-member cloture vote to break it, or until Shelby lifts the hold. yeah no obstruction there, lmao Wasn't this the exact same tactic under the last President? Both sides seem to enjoy this tactic now that it has been introduced as precedent. Oh, and until just a couple weeks ago, didn't the Dems have the votes to move nominees passed a filibuster?

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/5/2010 8:04:53 AM)
I increasingly would like to see the filibuster go. I used to be on the fence about it. But in the past few decades, both parties are simply abusing it.

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/5/2010 8:22:05 AM)
Thadius.. I dont like filibusters who ever is doing it, to me its more childish that poking out your tongue and singing neener. Im also aware that both sides do it. In canada, all three parties do it. Politicians are worse than cranky three year olds. The fact that one man is doing it, "just because" it isnt a republican idea tells me that he needs a fucking good hiding and some time out. no matter what side he is on.

Thadius -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/5/2010 8:23:20 AM)
Indeed, it has been being abused. It does still have merits though. One being, that the majority (should) needs to compromise with the minority to get major legislation passed in the Senate, theoretically leading to better legislation. I don't think the filibuster should be allowed to be used for nominees. I didn't like it under the last administration, and I don't like it under this one. I believe that the President should be allowed to surround himself (herself) with the folks they trust to be best for the job. It allows them to rise or fall based on their own merits and judgements. That being said, I am also sick of the victim mentality of the majority, especially recently. The whole "I couldn't do it because the other side was loud and outspoken" thing bugs the shit out of me. Elected folks need to start taking responsibility for their votes or lack of them, and the people need to start holding these folks accountable.

Thadius -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/5/2010 8:25:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Thadius.. I dont like filibusters who ever is doing it, to me its more childish that poking out your tongue and singing neener. Im also aware that both sides do it. In canada, all three parties do it. Politicians are worse than cranky three year olds. The fact that one man is doing it, "just because" it isnt a republican idea tells me that he needs a fucking good hiding and some time out. no matter what side he is on. Our current President was guilty of the very same thing during the Bush administration. Not that such behaviour justifies the current behaviour. Karma is a bitch, sometimes.

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/5/2010 8:30:42 AM)
Indeed it is...

cuckyman -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/6/2010 9:50:20 AM)
Obama can blame, piss, moan, yell, or do any fucking thing he wishes, but the fact is that his legislative 'dick' has been chopped off.... the seating of Scott Brown now ends his ability to ram ANYTHING thru the congress, and now we will simply wait for the mid term elections to bring the tidal wave of sweeping the libs out of power.... the 'progressives' (see communist) have blown it with the nation and its OVER for the Obama administration.... like Carter he will be a lame duck historical footnote, as of next November and the nation is about to undergo change like it has never imagined in eons..... A new rebirth of LIBERTY will sweep over the land like a tidal wave and government will be cut, slashed, and diminished like a bull is neutered..... massive government layoffs, programs and agencies defunded, and whole departments like energy and education, the EPA, and many many more will be ended PERMINATELY...... you and others will sit back in awe as the people are FED FUCKING UP with a government class laying on its collective ass, with huge salaries, benefits and perks will be FIRED..... and run the fuck out of town..... this nation is about to feel the effects of an explosion of liberty and individual freedoms like we have not witnessed since before the great wars..... its time to roll up your sleeves, get to work, and LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE.... we don't and won't hear your moaning, your crying, or your screaming racism at everything....we don't CARE what you think....we don't care how you see the changes....either like it, or LEAVE...... and we have guns if you wish to try to change it...... its time for this Republic to be the free nation it was always intended to be....either we learn to live with each other, or we have internal civil war, but either way, the Obama idiots are DONE..... he is a lame duck, soon to be added to the column of failed, marxist pukes that tried to force their big government crap down a nation's throat that is weary of big government anything.....its over..... and hide and watch this wave rising to wash this socialist crap out to sea...... and those that drag their feet with it.... DEAL WITH IT....

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/6/2010 10:00:23 AM)
You are a total plonker cuckyman long live your nightmare

Moonhead -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/6/2010 10:01:05 AM)
You missed out fascist: you've got liberal, socialist and Marxist, but you forgot fascist.

tazzygirl -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/6/2010 10:24:44 AM)
From my understanding, the longest filibuster was by Thurmond (such a pillar of virtue! but thats not the point) against the Civil Rights Act of 1957 Filibuster and Cloture 19th Century Filibuster Using the filibuster to delay or block legislative action has a long history. The term filibuster -- from a Dutch word meaning "pirate" -- became popular in the 1850s, when it was applied to efforts to hold the Senate floor in order to prevent a vote on a bill. In the early years of Congress, representatives as well as senators could filibuster. As the House of Representatives grew in numbers, however, revisions to the House rules limited debate. In the smaller Senate, unlimited debate continued on the grounds that any senator should have the right to speak as long as necessary on any issue. In 1841, when the Democratic minority hoped to block a bank bill promoted by Kentucky Senator Henry Clay, he threatened to change Senate rules to allow the majority to close debate. Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton rebuked Clay for trying to stifle the Senate's right to unlimited debate. Three quarters of a century later, in 1917, senators adopted a rule (Rule 22), at the urging of President Woodrow Wilson, that allowed the Senate to end a debate with a two-thirds majority vote, a device known as "cloture." The new Senate rule was first put to the test in 1919, when the Senate invoked cloture to end a filibuster against the Treaty of Versailles. Even with the new cloture rule, filibusters remained an effective means to block legislation, since a two-thirds vote is difficult to obtain. Over the next five decades, the Senate occasionally tried to invoke cloture, but usually failed to gain the necessary two-thirds vote. Filibusters were particularly useful to Southern senators who sought to block civil rights legislation, including anti-lynching legislation, until cloture was invoked after a 57 day filibuster against the Civil Right Act of 1964. In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or 60 of the current one hundred senators. Many Americans are familiar with the filibuster conducted by Jimmy Stewart, playing Senator Jefferson Smith in Frank Capra's film Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, but there have been some famous filibusters in the real-life Senate as well. During the 1930s, Senator Huey P. Long effectively used the filibuster against bills that he thought favored the rich over the poor. The Louisiana senator frustrated his colleagues while entertaining spectators with his recitations of Shakespeare and his reading of recipes for "pot-likkers." Long once held the Senate floor for 15 hours. The record for the longest individual speech goes to South Carolina's J. Strom Thurmond who filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act of 1957. . http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm Personally, i believe its an action that should be passed over... and out. Its akin to a child holding its breath for not getting the lollipop he/she wanted.

cuckyman -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/8/2010 7:49:58 AM)
All the democrat legislative crap is UNWORTHY of being passed and we conservatives do not want ANY of Obama's shit to go thru..... they are simply running out the clock on Obama until a land slide election come November to sweep the dems out of both houses of congress.... what part of that don't you get?....Obama has had his legislative 'dick' amputated.... deal with it..... its good ole American politics....he had his shot and blew it big time....he could have passed his agenda back when, but fumbled the ball....now the game is over and crying in the beer just won't help this lame administrations percarious position.....he has to 'come to jesus' so to speak and look only at what can be approved by the conservatives and focus only on that....or shut the fuck up....

rulemylife -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/8/2010 7:54:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Oh, and until just a couple weeks ago, didn't the Dems have the votes to move nominees passed a filibuster? By one vote? Which essentially meant that the Democrats in the Senate had to vote as a unified block on every issue.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/8/2010 7:57:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckyman All the democrat legislative crap is UNWORTHY of being passed and we conservatives do not want ANY of Obama's shit to go thru..... they are simply running out the clock on Obama until a land slide election come November to sweep the dems out of both houses of congress.... what part of that don't you get?....Obama has had his legislative 'dick' amputated.... deal with it..... its good ole American politics....he had his shot and blew it big time....he could have passed his agenda back when, but fumbled the ball....now the game is over and crying in the beer just won't help this lame administrations percarious position.....he has to 'come to jesus' so to speak and look only at what can be approved by the conservatives and focus only on that....or shut the fuck up.... Another eloquent post, bravo cuckyman. [sm=applause.gif]

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/8/2010 8:00:05 AM)
quote: Indeed, [the filibuster] has been being abused. It does still have merits though. One being, that the majority (should) needs to compromise with the minority to get major legislation passed in the Senate, theoretically leading to better legislation. I don't think the filibuster should be allowed to be used for nominees. Yeah, that's why I've always been on the fence about it. The theory is decent, even if the practice has been abysmal. I like your point about nominees, though (except perhaps judicial nominees, especially the Supreme Court). We have hundreds of vacant positions over this bullshit (and have had in previous administrations too). Often it has nothing to do with the nominee, but with a Senator who wants to make an issue about X. Vote 'em up or down and move on.

SeekingAZ -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/10/2010 7:19:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: housesub4you Ok sure, cause they have not used the filibuster and procedure to slow down every vote. I'm not bitching, it is part of politics, but to deny they are doing it and act like they have been attempting to reach middle ground is pure BS Bullshit, He had 60 dems in the senate until a couple weeks ago. They could stop any fillibuster. The problem were there were democrats there were moderate and there were democrats that were bat-shit marxist and they refused to compromise with each other. The Republicans had nothing to do with the bills produced and could do absolutely nothing to stop it.

SeekingAZ -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/10/2010 7:26:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckyman Obama can blame, piss, moan, yell, or do any fucking thing he wishes, but the fact is that his legislative 'dick' has been chopped off.... the seating of Scott Brown now ends his ability to ram ANYTHING thru the congress, and now we will simply wait for the mid term elections to bring the tidal wave of sweeping the libs out of power.... the 'progressives' (see communist) have blown it with the nation and its OVER for the Obama administration.... like Carter he will be a lame duck historical footnote, as of next November and the nation is about to undergo change like it has never imagined in eons..... A new rebirth of LIBERTY will sweep over the land like a tidal wave and government will be cut, slashed, and diminished like a bull is neutered..... massive government layoffs, programs and agencies defunded, and whole departments like energy and education, the EPA, and many many more will be ended PERMINATELY...... you and others will sit back in awe as the people are FED FUCKING UP with a government class laying on its collective ass, with huge salaries, benefits and perks will be FIRED..... and run the fuck out of town..... this nation is about to feel the effects of an explosion of liberty and individual freedoms like we have not witnessed since before the great wars..... its time to roll up your sleeves, get to work, and LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE.... we don't and won't hear your moaning, your crying, or your screaming racism at everything....we don't CARE what you think....we don't care how you see the changes....either like it, or LEAVE...... and we have guns if you wish to try to change it...... its time for this Republic to be the free nation it was always intended to be....either we learn to live with each other, or we have internal civil war, but either way, the Obama idiots are DONE..... he is a lame duck, soon to be added to the column of failed, marxist pukes that tried to force their big government crap down a nation's throat that is weary of big government anything.....its over..... and hide and watch this wave rising to wash this socialist crap out to sea...... and those that drag their feet with it.... DEAL WITH IT.... No it won't. The people on this forum are ample proof of that. There won't be any change at all unless conservatives regain control of the House and end up with a 64-65 conservatives in the senate. Over 60 because once the Republicans are back in power, the RINOS will go back to working with Democrats for their personal political gain. I'd give my left nut to see JD Hayworth beat McCain in the primary.

mnottertail -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/10/2010 7:26:40 AM)
lol, nobody tells the truth. There are democrats that are far more conservative than republicans, moderate democrats and whacko leftwingers. Kennedy couldnt make every vote, and Liebernmann is far right of Strom Thurmond on most issues.

opiate69 -> RE: Obama rips Republicans for 'obstruction' (2/10/2010 5:48:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SeekingAZ [ Bullshit, He had 60 dems in the senate until a couple weeks ago. They could stop any fillibuster. The problem were there were democrats there were moderate and there were democrats that were bat-shit marxist and they refused to compromise with each other. The Republicans had nothing to do with the bills produced and could do absolutely nothing to stop it. Bullshit back at ya. Between Norm Colman's frivolous lawsuits delayng Senator Franken's seating and Ted Kennedy's illness and subsequent death, the Democrats had an actual caucus of 60 - physically present and able to vote - for a tiny fraction of the session.

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