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kitriana -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/26/2006 5:01:00 PM)
wow.. that police department just opened themselves up to be sued big time. According to the american criminal justice system I'm studying, if someone has been assaulted and battered, there were witnesses and the offending parties were identified, then they need to be placed into police custody for a minimum of 24 hours (says so in Samaha's Criminal Law), and then if charges are pressed, they go through normal judicial process (for minors in this case, I would assume). Even minors can be detained. If something happens to you or your family again by the same people because of the failure to act on the part of the police, they can get sued big time.

angelic -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/26/2006 5:15:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cloudz angelic, I am sorry for what you and yours have been through. I wish you all the best. For everyone who has read these postings...please go back and re-read the people who speak of guns. For the most part, these people are educated and informed. Like John Warren said..guns are deadly weapons. Now ask yourself this, as you lie in bed with a gun in your nightstand. How is your judgement when you are scared, startled, surprised, angry, frustrated, or pissed off? Can you trust the rest of YOUR life on that judgement? Very LONG story short. There was a time in my life when local law enforcement SUGGESTED I consider purchasing a gun...many, many years ago. My life truly was in danger, by a very mentally ill person. 18 years later...my startle reflex is still so high that my sons worry they will give me a heart attack one day simply by walking into the room and startling me. When I went to sign up for a gun class, the guardian angel there asked me some questions, that could affect the rest of my life. I chose to walk away from the gun. I cannot trust my startle reflex to a handgun. I do trust it to my German Shepard. Be well. thank you Ma'am. i do wish NOW i had more knowledge about guns, but since i do not, imo now is not the time to suddenly 'have' one. This is about protecting my family the best way i know how, having an inexperienced gun-handler (me), jumpy as hell right now, having a gun, is not in the best interest of my children. Right now the best way i know how to keep them safe is sleeping lightly, with the phone and tire iron (i called it a crow bar earlier), look into self-defense courses and start taking the steps to take back the park so that this.....or much worse doesn't happen to someone else.

angelic -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/26/2006 5:18:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitriana wow.. that police department just opened themselves up to be sued big time. According to the american criminal justice system I'm studying, if someone has been assaulted and battered, there were witnesses and the offending parties were identified, then they need to be placed into police custody for a minimum of 24 hours (says so in Samaha's Criminal Law), and then if charges are pressed, they go through normal judicial process (for minors in this case, I would assume). Even minors can be detained. If something happens to you or your family again by the same people because of the failure to act on the part of the police, they can get sued big time. oddly enough, you brought up something that was brought up yesterday. my son was NEVER asked if he wanted to press charges. (Nor was i... bet you can't guess what i would have said!!!)

candystripper -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/26/2006 7:00:47 PM)
Angelic, it may not be too late to press charges; go to the police district and ask. candystripper

MHOO314 -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/26/2006 7:03:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: candystripper Angelic, it may not be too late to press charges; go to the police district and ask. candystripper It is considered a misdemeanor, basically a "boys fight", the chances of getting charges filed are very slim.

JohnWarren -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/26/2006 7:32:12 PM)
I just remembered a technique a friend used. Now I don't know what the law is in your area regarding blank cartridge pistols. These aren't real pistols with blank cartridges but devices, often called "starter pistols" that can only fire blanks. She had a peeping tom and was concerned about him getting up the nerve to come inside so she bought a starter pistol. Sure enough one night she was awakened by the sound of glass breaking in another room. She took out the pistol and started shooting. The intruder (it wasn't the peeping tom but a thief) sprained his ankle diving out the window he had come in though. It's logical if you think about it. The shots not only tell him you have a gun (he doesn't know it's blanks) and "the crazy bitch is already shooting!" Heck, I'd run.

angelic -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/26/2006 7:40:38 PM)
OMG Mr. Warren what a fabulous idea!!!! Ok... that i could do, if it's legal here and the licensing of it, etc. Mr. Warren, thank YOU!!!! This i am researching right now.

TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/26/2006 9:15:25 PM)
Angelic...Do you have a dog?..Can you have a dog?..Dog=good alert system and if trained can also be a deterrent to would be intruders,delaying them while you get away..also having a dog would let you go to park and maybe have protection there as well..I would approach anyone with a dog cautiously..maybe gang memebers will as well....be well ,both you and your son..and I am glad he suffered very few injuries...Tempting

JohnWarren -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/26/2006 9:35:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelic OMG Mr. Warren what a fabulous idea!!!! Ok... that i could do, if it's legal here and the licensing of it, etc. Mr. Warren, thank YOU!!!! This i am researching right now. I'm just embarrassed that I didn't remember it at first. I hope it works out. An additional advantage is that if someone else gets the starter pistol they are due a major shock when they try to shoot you with it. I recommend roaring "you shoot hulk, hulk now mad" and advance on them [chuckle]

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/26/2006 11:06:50 PM)
Yes! A starter pistol is an excellent idea. I own a gun Myself, and the advice given has been right on. If you do consider getting a gun, it will take some time to learn to use it properly. And you must always be prepared to shoot. Else you may well be shot with it! Same rule applies to your tire iron. Angelic, you come out swinging as accurately as possible. Don't give the other person a chance to get it away from you. And a strong pepper spray can buy you a little time. You might also consider the sprays that have a dye. That can make it easier to find and identify the bad guy. Hathor, wonderful of your boy to be able to help out here. This is a great example of how our community can work so well. Good luck.

angelic -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/27/2006 6:16:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnWarren quote: ORIGINAL: angelic OMG Mr. Warren what a fabulous idea!!!! Ok... that i could do, if it's legal here and the licensing of it, etc. Mr. Warren, thank YOU!!!! This i am researching right now. I'm just embarrassed that I didn't remember it at first. I hope it works out. An additional advantage is that if someone else gets the starter pistol they are due a major shock when they try to shoot you with it. I recommend roaring "you shoot hulk, hulk now mad" and advance on them [chuckle] i checked this out and so far, unless i've misread, it appears that this state does not consider a 'starter' pistol a firearm. When i go get the police report this morning i am also going to ask the officers their knowledge about this type of pistol. Again, Mr. Warren thank You so much, Sir. i laughed at the 'shoot hulk, hulk get mad'. (i don't turn green but i have been known to turn a variety of red when i'm angry)

angelic -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/27/2006 6:26:38 AM)
DustyGold, Ma'am, thank You. Yes MHOO is wonderful and i look forward to meeting Her and her boy when She comes here. Eeveryone has been wonderful and i thank Yyou Aall so very much.

UtopianRanger -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/27/2006 6:46:29 AM)
quote: Yesterday my son (16) and his buddy (15) road their bicycles down to the local park, which is about 2 blocks from my home. There apparently was a 'gang' hanging out there and they decided that my son shouldn't be in the park so they beat him up after giving him 6 secs to leave. A witness called 911 while it was happening along with others that had witnessed it. Angelic.... Good chance a whole lota folks are gonna disagree with me on this, but what hell, everyone has an opinion, right? - So don't take this wrong. I know when I was in elementary school there were a few times when I came home crying because I got picked on. My mother had very similar reaction as you, but it was a whole different ballgame with my father. My father would wait till my mother was in another room and then he'd isolate me in a corner and look straight into my eyes and tell me '' You know what you're gonna go do?'' Of course my reaction was no, with a beleaguered look on my face. Then he'd say '' Your going to go find the biggest and most respected kid that picked on you when he is alone'' -- '' and then you're going to punch him in the face''. ''And your going to keep punching him until he either runs away, quits are wupps your ass'' -- No matter what happens he's gonna have a new found respect for you and tell all of his friends. Now... I know today's kids are a hellva lot different from the ones when I grew up -- Because all the kids I usually fought with, always ended up becoming my friends later. But I know today they seem to more violent and into guns and knives, so I think each individual situation needs to looked at and taken from there. And yes, today's society frowns upon violence and old-school thinking, so its really tough on how to both assess and adress these types of situations - I sure don't envy you. My regards to both you and your son - Best of luck. - The Ranger

Mercnbeth -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/27/2006 11:20:38 AM)
quote: I just remembered a technique a friend used. Now I don't know what the law is in your area regarding blank cartridge pistols. These aren't real pistols with blank cartridges but devices, often called "starter pistols" that can only fire blanks. John, As a person who has never fired a shot from a pistol, starter or otherwise, and who would be more likely to agree with Ranger's advise or Tempting Novice's I don't know if I'd recommend taking this tactic. From the side of the situation that we have read, it appears these people involved with injuring angelic's son are cowards for the most part, generating courage through numbers. Cowards also like to have "power" talismans to confirm their status. A gun is one of the most obvious and unfortunately, easy and cheap to acquire. If someone breaks into angelic's place from this gang to rob or terrorize, they may create damage and perhaps even beat up her and her son again. If she pulls out a starter's pistol, she would more likely find out if they had a pistol. These people would be much more likely to use a gun in their possession when confronted with the appearance or even the sound of a starter's pistol. When one of them fire back back with real bullets, the starter pistol may be the difference between being injured and being killed. Again, I may be totally incorrect, but if I wanted to give the impression of protecting myself, I'd do it with the real version. Considering all the other reasons to do otherwise that you raised, the 'worse case' being a gun used against you, I'd rather not scare anyone into shooting me or my family by using a gun they had no intention of using when they came in to continue a "boys fight".

JohnWarren -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/27/2006 11:53:50 AM)
I recommended that she start shooting the second she thought someone was in the house. I doubt that "macho" would require them to stay in that circumstance. I did not recommend waving it around as some sort of talisman.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/27/2006 11:59:15 AM)
quote: I did not recommend waving it around as some sort of talisman. I was referring to the punks use of the gun not angelic's.

angelic -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/27/2006 4:41:16 PM)
ok... thank Yyou Aall for Eeverything.. i found out today a report wasn't filed... the Sgt that paraded my son in the backseat of his car to 'id' the attackers is gone until Thursday... no arrests were made... as far as i am concerned this 'officer' (and i use this term loosely has now endangered my son)... (it's his 4 days off)... the friend he was with heard through their 'grapevine' (i.e. someone who knew someone else) told him that this group was looking to beat him up and 'finish off' my son... it's time for the hulk... but i am so shocked by all of this... no freaking wonder there are so many 'casualties'... i'm PISSED OFF now!

DelightMachine -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/28/2006 6:34:38 PM)
Your police department, or at least this officer, sucks. In my corner of Connecticut, arrests would have been made. I've given my advice about who to go to. I would only add that you approach police without antagonism but with evident concern. Keep your cool and be persistent. Incidentally, I'd tell all your immediate neighbors about this. They might see something suspicious and then call the police if they're on the alert.

Moloch -> RE: Venting Just a Bit (3/29/2006 5:46:05 AM)
If they have Krav-Maga schools in your area have your kid take thier classes!!! Ive assaulted krav-maga instructor with simulated knives, blut objects and weapons, all ending with me lying on the floor saying "oww oww oww". Its a good practical self defence fighting stlye developed by the IDF.

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