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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/8/2010 8:40:50 AM   
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a pack of cigarettes costs roughly 25 cents to manufacture from start to finish.  that same pack if full of joints would be worth 100 dollars on the street.  make 80 of it tax.... plus the savings in your police, dea, and prison system? deficit goes poof


Making it legal would also drop the street value (no risk = no need to retain lawyers, etc...). Taxing it would be a great winfall, however I am not sure it would offset the current money made from seizures, rehab, and penalties.

They just opened a pot superstore out in California, complete with a doctor right next door. CBS story on Pot Superstore

Who knows, maybe it will become a national chain.


While I have never had a desire to work in a retail store before, I might make an exception for this one.


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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/8/2010 8:46:42 AM   
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My suspicion is aside from the Dutch, nobody will legalise pot for the simple reason that they need people working to make the economy work, how many pot heads will be working every day, all day....yeah man, I will think about getting work tommorrow man, but today I just can't be bothered...perhaps ok now there is unemployment, but what about when the country gets moving again, there won't be a work force that can be bothered.


I personally know several potheads who not only go to work everyday, they manage to pay all their bills and still have fun. One owned her own company and last I heard was doing very well with it. Maybe you are just hanging with the wrong people.


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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/8/2010 8:52:08 AM   
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*struggles not to start quoting from the late Bill Hicks*

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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/8/2010 2:29:04 PM   
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Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Special, just for the extreme libertarian, make-'em-all-pay crowd:

I've got this new alternative proposal. Here's how to really save money -- fuck 'em all.

Can't pay? Out on the street.

No more ambulance service, private insurance can cover that for those who can pay, others can get their loved ones to rush 'em to the hospital, & the rest can die where they drop.

Fuck coroners' services, too. Leave those bodies where they drop.

&, of course, screw retirement & disability assistance for those too stupid or improvident or whatever to have not made adequate provision ahead of time.

Ya know, let's really go with that pay-to-play ethic, if one likes that kinda thing . . . . .

Or, for those looking for immediate cessation of all 'ebil gubmint' activities -- Move To Somalia. No central government of any kind, much less that horrid, awful, giant federal-octopus-eating-everything variety . . . .

Show the courage of your convictions. Flee! Now!! While you still can!!! Get thee to a properly 'libertarian experiment' space . . . .

& leave the rest of us, who like plenty of social services & all the goodies of living in an advanced, wealthy country & like to do what we need to do to keep it going on . .. .. .

See, at this point in time, I hate, fear, & loathe Goldman Sachs (aka, Government Sacks) & it's kin to a degree that mere gubmint hate can't even touch . . . .. & I imagine I'm not the only one, lol . . . ... . .

But all you lovers & admirers of corporacracy, have at it. Take 'em to Somalia with ya, lol . . . . . . I actually think we'd do okay without Government Sacks in charge, lol . . . . . .

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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/8/2010 3:26:57 PM   
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Will the private response ambulances be able to pick them up and get them to hospital without an evil central government to pay to maintain the roads, though?
You're dead right about these fuckwits not having a clue about how much money it costs just to keep the basic foundation of society running, and how no fucker's going to pay for any of it without a government to tax them, though.

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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/8/2010 3:35:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

My suspicion is aside from the Dutch, nobody will legalise pot for the simple reason that they need people working to make the economy work, how many pot heads will be working every day, all day....yeah man, I will think about getting work tommorrow man, but today I just can't be bothered...perhaps ok now there is unemployment, but what about when the country gets moving again, there won't be a work force that can be bothered.


That's already half of London. There's a lot of hoodies on mountain bikes riding round in the evening, and I somehow don't think they're preparing for the Tour de France.


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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/8/2010 3:48:16 PM   
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The city of Colorado Springs decends into financial chaos, as streetlights are turned off, police and firemen are laid off, and parks go unmowed and unwatered.

From the article:
Though officials and citizens put public safety above all in the budget, police and firefighting still lost more than $5.5 million this year. Positions that will go empty range from a domestic violence specialist to a deputy chief to juvenile offender officers. Fire squad 108 loses three firefighters. Putting the helicopters up for sale and eliminating the officers and a mechanic banked $877,000.

Turning out the lights, literally, is one of the high-profile trims aggravating some residents. The city-run Colorado Springs Utilities will shut down 8,000 to 10,000 of more than 24,000 streetlights, to save $1.2 million in energy and bulb replacement.

Hansen, the criminal-justice student, grows especially exasperated when recalling a scary incident a few years ago as she waited for a bus. She said a carload of drunken men approached her until the police helicopter that had been trailing them turned a spotlight on the men and chased them off. Now the helicopter is gone, and the streetlight she was waiting under is threatened as well.

"I don't know a person in this city who doesn't think that's just the stupidest thing on the planet," Hansen said. "Colorado Springs leaders put patches on problems and hope that will handle it."



Somewhere, Ayn Rand is having an orgasm.

Her first.


Actually, Ayn Rand had quite an active and somewhat risque sex life - it probably seriously truncated her efforts at acceptance in literature and academia.

However (and bearing in mind that I can't claim that I agree with Ms. Rand's Objectivist philosophy) - are you implying that she is somehow to blame for the problems Colorado Springs finds itself in?

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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/8/2010 3:50:44 PM   
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I think part of her schtick was insisting that she could fuck any of her followers she liked the look of and her husband could shut up and deal with it?

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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/8/2010 4:33:42 PM   
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You are clearly an ebil socialist commie pinko bastard -- nice to meet ya, hehehe . . . . .

& don't bother the greed-heads with those little details. They will eagerly embrace every freakin' road being a toll one. & they'd be sure to blame the resultant chaos & incapacity on 'ebil liberal types', lol . . . . . ..

& I notice more that it's not so much the costs that they don't understand, it's all the indirect benefits of caring for others who aren't as lucky as they are . . . . . & they also generally seem pretty impaired when it comes to understanding 'luck', too, fwtw . . .. .. .

For example, my big pet peeve -- education!!! The morons think education is more of an optional, if-you-deserve-it kinda thing, rather than an absolute imperative for maintaining a state's position with respect to technology & etc . . . .

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Will the private response ambulances be able to pick them up and get them to hospital without an evil central government to pay to maintain the roads, though?

You're dead right about these fuckwits not having a clue about how much money it costs just to keep the basic foundation of society running, and how no fucker's going to pay for any of it without a government to tax them, though.


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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/8/2010 6:48:57 PM   
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Naww, it isn't Ayn herself, but the death spiral of refusing to accept taxation to pay for government services is a direct result of her glibertarian followers, the ones who insist fervently that anything private beats anything government.

Maybe some big strong John Galt will step forward, buy all the streets and parks, and charge people a toll to use them. I am sure things would change for the better.

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RE: Welcome to the Dark Age - 2/9/2010 12:52:59 AM   
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Animus, there's a discussion in the Buddhist world about whether fiction, inasmuch as it is a form of lying, is, um, problematic. (A kinda these-powers-should-only-be-used-for-good thinking, tho' of course 'good' is such a slippery bugger, lol ....)

I'd say Ayn's fictions qualify as troubling under that rubric inasmuch as they reinforce their believers more deluded, pessimistic, & hostile notions about humanity; ie, that there is such a thing as a 'useless' human who implicitly needs to be 'balanced out by a super-human'. That particular discernible perspective from many Randite expressions is rather bothersome for me, personally . . . . .

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