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What kind of relationship or connection does a hero hav... - 2/6/2010 4:50:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I ask this because I have seen and read many stories and movies where a hero and villan for some strange reason despite hating eachother also relate and understand eachother in ways that no other character not even their love intrests can. What do you call this type relationship or connection? I think its a parasitic or symbiotic type maybe even a love/hate thing I'm not to sure thought that's why I'm asking.
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RE: What kind of relationship or connection does a hero... - 2/6/2010 6:11:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the real world there are heroes with no opposite, just people that act in relation to certain events that happen.

I think how heroes and villains are shown in story telling is a bit simplistic based on the fact the hero only exists in the story told to thwart a villain, this is why the relationship is like that. What would be the opposite of a fire-fighter, arsonist? Most fires are just accidents.


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RE: What kind of relationship or connection does a hero... - 2/6/2010 6:18:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Two sides of the same coin... yin and yang... the eternal dichotomy of human existence... good and evil... God and Lucifer... Adam and the Ants... etcaetera, etcaetera, etcaetera.

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RE: What kind of relationship or connection does a hero... - 2/6/2010 6:25:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterK13

I ask this because I have seen and read many stories and movies where a hero and villan for some strange reason despite hating eachother also relate and understand eachother in ways that no other character not even their love intrests can. What do you call this type relationship or connection? I think its a parasitic or symbiotic type maybe even a love/hate thing I'm not to sure thought that's why I'm asking.


In movies and books, the hero and villain usually are usually quite artful about their particular strengths. Otherwise they would not have those roles, they would be the victim, underdog or observers.

Thus, a hatred begets grudging admiration and respect because each one knows they have a worthy adversary.


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RE: What kind of relationship or connection does a hero... - 2/6/2010 9:27:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think symbiotic is a good way to put it. Without an adversary there is no fight. With no fight there is no strength, eventually. It is our nature. Then when there is a common foe, alliances are formed.

From within these alliances heirarchies of authority are derived. This satisfies two elements of society. One wants to rule, the other feels more comfortable under rule. If the latter is not abused and the society prospers, all is well. In a way that is symbiotic as well.

Fiction distorts these relationships to be more interesting, and to support an interesting story line. As far out on the tangent it may be, it must still have the fulcrum of reality. If not, the reader or viewer cannot identify with it, finds it too difficult to concieve and simply loses interest. That is the art of creative writing. Balancing an alternate reality with the percievers' reality.

Analysing this in real life would be difficult unfortunately, because we have very few heroes or leaders. What sells the best ? What takes the reader or viewer into a different reality that does have heroes and leaders.

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RE: What kind of relationship or connection does a hero... - 2/7/2010 12:53:19 AM   
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Two sides of the same coin... yin and yang... the eternal dichotomy of human existence... good and evil... God and Lucifer... Adam and the Ants... etcaetera, etcaetera, etcaetera.


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RE: What kind of relationship or connection does a hero... - 2/7/2010 1:12:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd call it a mutualistic symbiotic relationship - a symbiotic relationship in which both parties benefit. Each party - the hero and the villain - needs the other to clarify their role in the world, and motivate them to grow and excel, far more so than any other type of relationship could do. Neither party would have the opportunity to grow into their full potential if the rivalry were not there to draw it out of them. How super would Superman really be without Lex Luthor?

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RE: What kind of relationship or connection does a hero... - 2/7/2010 1:16:59 AM   
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RE: What kind of relationship or connection does a hero... - 2/7/2010 1:19:35 AM   
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superman is a dick.  this site also has fun links to wonderwoman covers :D

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