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Brain -> Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 2:21:50 AM)

Maybe in a 100 years they will convert/transform humans into energy and teleport people like on Star Trek; beam me up Scottie. Kirk out.

Anybody know the laws that govern information? I know there are some really smart scientific people here.

Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy

First, they teleported photons, then atoms and ions. Now one physicist has worked out how to do it with energy, a technique that has profound implications for the future of physics.

In 1993, Charlie Bennett at IBM's Watson Research Center in New York State and a few pals showed how to transmit quantum information from one point in space to another without traversing the intervening space.

The technique relies on the strange quantum phenomenon called entanglement, in which two particles share the same existence. This deep connection means that a measurement on one particle immediately influences the other, even though they are light-years apart. Bennett and company worked out how to exploit this to send information. (The influence between the particles may be immediate, but the process does not violate relativity because some informatiom has to be sent classically at the speed of light.) They called the technique teleportation.

There is a growing sense that the properties of the universe are best described not by the laws that govern matter but by the laws that govern information. This appears to be true for the quantum world, is certainly true for special relativity, and is currently being explored for general relativity. Having a way to handle energy on the same footing may help to draw these diverse strands together.

Interesting stuff. There's no telling where this kind of thinking might lead.

http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=9763



Louve00 -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 5:10:16 AM)

No doubt!  That is interesting stuff.  I'm not all that old, but my mind stays over stuffed with stress, worry, and facts that I hear over the course of my life and somewhere, sometime I heard that extraterrestrials were able to travel to our solar system, without having to actually travel those billions of light years away was by warping the dimensions, thereby shortening the travel distance to get from point A to point B. 

And then, theres the Amazing Kreskin.  Remember him?  He's the guy that used to be able to stare at a spoon and telepathically will it to bend.



eyesopened -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 5:19:21 AM)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread541413/pg1

Reading some of the comments was interesting. 

"The information being referred to is the quantum energy state of a particle. Quantum information is not the same as classical information and that would seem to be the biggest problem here.

The quantum energy level of a particle is always bouncing around. The trick would seem to be in the "carefully chosen measurement" of the remote particle. How to separate the entangled quantum energy from the noise. "



myotherself -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 5:21:52 AM)

...and the problem with working at the quantum level is that the act of observation influences the action...



Musicmystery -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 7:21:00 AM)

This IS interesting stuff, Brain.

Question...why did you post it here, instead of Off Topic? You'd get a wider reach and better discussion there.

Among the problems we mere nonphysicists have with quantum mechanics applications is confusing all the terms, conditions, different physical realities and their interconnections. For example, subatomic particles, like photons, are already both matter and energy, so why wouldn't transporting a photon already be transporting energy? Well, because it's actually one or the other, not both, I suppose. Then there's the fallacy of composition--atoms are colorless; cats are made of atoms; therefore, cats are colorless.

It's a strange and fascinating world we live in.




DarkSteven -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 7:50:44 AM)

Unfortunately, I lived in Utah when the cold fusion hoax came out, and I have a hard time taking breakthroughs like this seriously afterward.  I'll have to review it when I'm in a more objective mindset.



Musicmystery -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 8:05:03 AM)

Didn't Einstein essentially prove cold fusion wasn't possible?

I could be wrong on that. Or maybe just that it wasn't likely.



kdsub -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 8:52:06 AM)

Following along with this train of though some theoretical physicists are speculating that this information or thought is constantly changing the reality of the universe. Otherwise every though or action spans another universe with its own set of reality.

This would mean that with your thoughts on religion your universe would not contain a God…where with my mindset it would. We are both aware of the others thoughts but each is correct in their universe.

Another example would be getting up from your bed every day for infinity…. Seeing your bedroom wall and thinking you could walk through it… Each day you try and try and try…one day in infinity of time you will pass though without touching it.

There was a good PBS special on the very subject.

Butch



Musicmystery -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 9:11:27 AM)

Or that God is a Wiki....

[;)]

I'm wondering, though, whether the Fallacy of Composition applies to that interpretation.





willbeurdaddy -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 9:18:19 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: myotherself

...and the problem with working at the quantum level is that the act of observation influences the action...


A standard, but gross, misinterpretation of the uncertainty principle.

Brain, why not post on something from this century? Quantum entanglement is a nice theoretical problem with no practical application.



Musicmystery -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 9:26:22 AM)

Come on, don't just post that...

It's not an argument here. Explain why it's a misinterpretation.

And if it's just theory, so what?

This is the Off Topic section. It's a conversation.

Join it.



Jeffff -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 9:31:57 AM)

At a time when Einstein had gained international recognition, quantum theory culminated in the late 1920’s statement of the Uncertainty Principle, which says that the more precisely the position of a particle is determined, the less precisely the momentum is known in this instant, and vice versa. The above phrasing of the principle is a succinct version of the mathematically precise uncertainty relation that Heisenberg published in 1927. Since the momentum of a particle is the product of its mass and velocity, the principle is sometimes stated differently, however, its meaning remains the same: The act of measuring one magnitude of a particle, be it its mass, its velocity, or its position, causes the other magnitudes to blur. This is not due to imprecise measurements. Technology is advanced enough to hypothetically yield correct measurements. The blurring of these magnitudes is a fundamental property of nature
 
 
Gross mistatement?..... really?  More of a paraphrase.  Of course I am sure that along with economics your field of study is also Quantum Physics.


Jeff



kdsub -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 9:55:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Or that God is a Wiki....

[;)]

I'm wondering, though, whether the Fallacy of Composition applies to that interpretation.



I don’t believe it does because in the theory as I understand it each universe is separate. I am aware of Brain in my universe but my Brain is different then Brain in his universe...and his Butch is different in his universe then mine…and each thought is constantly creating new universes that are diverging at any point in time.

So at any exact time looking at my cup of coffee on my computer table creates a new universe and with each additional action or thought could create a new reality that is totally different to Brains diverging universes…although as long as I think of him a version is till in my universe…but different than his.

Butch



kdsub -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 10:21:34 AM)

Another way to think of this theory….say you could move to the very edge of the universe. You are then moving at the speed of light… As you look forward there is nothing… an infinity of nothingness with no limits…as you look back there is light. As you move forward into nothingness you are making something of nothing simply because you are there.

But who is to say there is an edge...perhaps there are dimensions or lenses of congruent universes where thought moves you from one to the other without your knowledge.

This type of reality would allow changes by thought or actions without moving to the edge of existence.

Sure wild speculations but in a way it makes sense of infinity , time, and space.

Butch



Musicmystery -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 10:27:22 AM)

quote:

You are then moving at the speed of light… …as you look back there is light.


Not if you're traveling at the speed of light. It can't reach you. Light would have to be ahead.

But since time slows to a stop at the speed of light, movement is irrelevant.



asyouwish72 -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 10:31:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff
The act of measuring one magnitude of a particle, be it its mass, its velocity, or its position, causes the other magnitudes to blur. This is not due to imprecise measurements. Technology is advanced enough to hypothetically yield correct measurements. The blurring of these magnitudes is a fundamental property of nature
 
Gross mistatement?..... really?  More of a paraphrase.  Of course I am sure that along with economics your field of study is also Quantum Physics.


The dirty mathematical details of quantum physics make my head spin, but I think this is pretty much dead-on. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and/or 'the observer effect' dictate that the position and state of subatomic particles cannot both be accurately known by any means (this is a physical law, not a limit of instrumentation). So unless all the required information to reconstruct an object at a different location can somehow be inferred without ever being measured (and in the gonzo world of subatomic physics, it *might* be possible to do this through oddities like quantum entanglement), 'macro-scale' teleportation probably is not possible.



kdsub -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 10:34:59 AM)

Remember light is relative...if you were truly traveling at the speed of light and turned on a flash light and pointed it at your hand extended in front of your body... the light would hit your hand at the same speed of light relative to your speed.

And there is no sense trying to compare one theory to another when they both require different realities...I have little faith that man will be around long enough to figure what is the absolute truth...if there is such a thing.

So theory and philosophy will always go hand in hand with our little limited minds.

Butch



Outlier2 -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 10:39:18 AM)

Fast Reply,

If you follow the link at the bottom of the article

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24759/

At bottom of that there is an comments section
with an interesting thread of thought.



Musicmystery -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 10:41:51 AM)

quote:

Remember light is relative...if you were truly traveling at the speed of light and turned on a flash light and pointed it at your hand extended in front of your body... the light would hit your hand at the same speed of light relative to your speed.


Light is not relative. Speed (time) is relative. [So is space]

This example is of light traveling at the same speed as you, not catching up to you.

I'm not sure what would happen in this instance. Light travels as energy or has mass as a particle--but not both. You are using it in both senses, and at the extreme when time stands still.

Perhaps you're thinking of the relationship between light and gravity.





kdsub -> RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy (2/7/2010 10:46:57 AM)

I believe you are wrong… the speed of light is constant in all instances...For instance if you were on a plane moving 400 MPH and turned on a light it would still be moving away from you at the constant speed of light...not 400 MPH less. The speed of light is relative to the observer.

Perhaps I'm wrong not my expertise but something I have read in the past...a theory anyway...lol

ps...and if the theory above is correct then i am in my universe..lol.. and so are you in yours.

Butch



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