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Aneirin -> Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 3:47:17 PM)
Yeah, fucking cat, I have recently got one, a rescue cat, one rescued from the put down needle and from what I can learn of her, she was feral for about three months. When I got her, she was a hissing ball of teeth and claws, with a bit of black fur thrown in, the natural wild cat so easy to see, but now she is it seems, thankfully calming down and has gotten to point that she wants to be with me all the time, each day, moving closer and seemingly more relaxed, but I have a problem with her, which I hope I may find answers here. The problem is, I have a neighbour who does not like cats the reason being, a garden once full of birds, is now flown over by birds, she liked the birds, but the cats, six of them in this block of apartments seems to have dissuaded the birds from even thinking to land here. Anyway, the problem I have, is when the cat that lives with me ventures outside, she makes a beeline to the neighbours doormat, and there takes a dump, every time this happens and I have to go and clear up for fear this woman might get testy if one day she tried to stroll outside and there step in cat crap on her doorstep. Any ideas why the cat is doing this ?

LanceHughes -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 3:51:07 PM)
Two words: Litter box I have heard of too many cats dying after being let outdoors. "WHY would you like your cat out to begin with?" he asked rhetorically.

pahunkboy -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 4:04:56 PM)
cats are adaptable. You need to BOND with your cat. This can not be forced. Once she views you as her litter then you are home free. This time of year is bonus for you. Because you can set up a litter box with out the smell. I prefer to no scent litter- not the type with perfume. Cats usually seek to bury their poop. However they also can poop out of spite. cats love alot of fuzz over them. cooing and touching. they love it. once you get a certain bonding with her- this type of poop thing will stop. ...for now- when you exit- walk backwards out of the house. They are fast- and slip out very easy. It might help to put a small bell on the cat. that way you can know its whereabouts.

Aneirin -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 4:12:51 PM)
The cat has a litter box which she uses with no problem, but when she goes outside, the neighbour's doormat always get dumped or pissed on. The neighbour's doormat, is one of these natural fibre coir doormats. Letting the creature out is no problem around here, as it is car free, child free and right on the edge of farmland and the shores of the English Channel, it is quite wild here with badgers and foxes seen as regular sights. Not the scrawny battered city fox, but a lovely orangey red beast with a bushy tail.

pahunkboy -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 4:20:29 PM)
cats can sense those who hate them. this time of year is not too bad per a litter box- because it is not hot and humid. it does sound like you have made alot of progress with her. she views you as a pup- as part of the pact. the neighbor is not part of the pact- and her actions- are deliberate. as most cats bury their poop. there is a variety of reasons to not let a cat out. I am shifting my cat into more of an indoor cat. I am gradually - shutting off the option of "out". So far so good- and it does seem that she feels she is missing something when she is not near me. --as to cooking fat- cats have a great sense of smell and can not taste sweets. do not get in the habbit of the table scraps- I let mine have a sample. just enough to make it seem like I am sharing. But- I wont let this get too % of the diet- cats needs 35% protein- and that is more then what a dog needs. also- I am shifting my cat out of eating just because there is food around. once they get too fat they might be too heavy to get on top. it is kind of neat when the cat climbs up and me and sleeps. I woke up a few times to find her on top of my side. I kick and scoot around when I sleep- so it was nice that she views this as comforting.

xxblushesxx -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 4:21:34 PM)
Don't let your cat outside. An indoor cat lives on the average: 17 years. An indoor/outdoor cat's lifespan averages 4 years.

pahunkboy -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 4:26:53 PM)
....and yet- it is no problem when the birds shit? a blob of bird shit - - (serious) one can fall and break a leg. lol. I dont know if the type of fiber means anything. I have carpets to catch the dirt- by the doors and nothing ever shits on them.

pahunkboy -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 4:29:55 PM)
http://www.cocodoormats.com/

LanceHughes -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 4:41:53 PM)
Foxes kill and eat cats no matter the bushy-ness of the foxes tail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox Badgers are carnivores as well. Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Badger Neighbor dogs? I know a friend who lost a cat to an owl. Horrible to see that happen, don't you agree? The cat was white which made it an attractive target on night with a full moon. The cat was about 50 feet away, being watched by the owner through the front window. Owl swooped, caught the cat which of course, fought. The owl let go to get away from the cat claws. The cat dropped from about 75 feet in the air. Before the owner could get there, the owl beat her to the now dead-from-the-fall cat, ripping the cat to shreds as the owner ran to "rescue" her cat. Now the owl took off with the limp body, leaving a couple of bones for the grieving owner. Your choice to let your cat out where the foxes and birds of prey (hawks in particular in your case) can get it. Again..... I can think of NO reason to let a cat or dog out of the house, unless to go to the vet. Oh, yeah, one exception: dogs on leads/leashes or if they're trained for an instant "heel." Would you let a pet bird, snake, mouse, gerbil, lizard, etc. out of the house? Why do you think the shelter picked up the feral cat to begin with? Why won't the shelter pick up the cat a second time? Come up with a good reason, please..... Oh, yeah, the one my friend said, through the tears streaming down her face, "I thought she wanted to get out for a little while." As my Grandfather was fond of saying "You thought wrong."

pahunkboy -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 4:45:33 PM)
so then- how do I convince my cat- that she best stay indoors? They get quite pestery to go out. wrap her up in tape? then by the time she gets loose she forgets she wanted out?

stella41b -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 4:55:36 PM)
Maybe the cat is from Liverpool?

Phoenixpower -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 4:56:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LanceHughes Foxes kill and eat cats no matter the bushy-ness of the foxes tail. Badgers are carnivores as well. Neighbor dogs? I know a friend who lost a cat to an owl. Horrible to see that happen, don't you agree? The cat was white which made it an attractive target on night with a full moon. The cat was about 50 feet away, being watched by the owner through the front window. Owl swooped, caught the cat which of course, fought. The owl let go to get away from the cat claws. The cat dropped from about 75 feet in the air. Before the owner could get there, the owl beat her to the now dead-from-the-fall cat, ripping the cat to shreds as the owner ran to "rescue" her cat. Now the owl took off with the limp body, leaving a couple of bones for the grieving owner. Your choice to let your cat out where the foxes and birds of prey (hawks in particular in your case) can get it. Again..... I can think of NO reason to let a cat or dog out of the house, unless to go to the vet. Oh, yeah, one exception: dogs on leads/leashes or if they're trained for an instant "heel."....... and I'd love to see you put a cat in a harness for a "walk" Make that video and post to YouTube, please. Here was recently (well, sometime last year) a report of a huge owl which got missing and the cat owners were also warned that this particular owl would be dangerous for cats, so no doubt about your owl version. Regarding foxes...well, here I would not fear for one of my girls and for my 2 boys, however my birman cat I do not consider to be fit outside (but that race is also more an indoor cat they are not very tempted to go outside, so her moments outside are very brief thankfully), however, I would not doubt that a fox would have a rather easy game with her even when she is 9 month old now...because she is giving so little defense when my others having a fight with her...I can't help it but to intervene after a while...however, one of my boys came home with a lot of torn off fur in the past (once I grounded him for 3 days to help to prevent potential infections on his ear where it looked quite unpleasant considering that chunk of fur which was missing) and with him I have no fear if a fox would try to have a go at him...in general I never feared the foxes here in regards to my boys... and regarding indoor or outdoor cat....I do see the points raised here but where I was living I never felt the need to keep my cats inside. My girls are to 90% indoor cats out of choice, however, my boys are outside to 85% and I prefer them to have a happy and fulfilled life with being able to enjoy the outdoors then just being inside (not saying that indoors cat aren't happy cats, however my view is that they are supposed to be allowed to go outside). That being said...if my current potential Dom and I would move on together, then I might have to reconisider that after his dog got killed from a koyote...following which that Dom sorted out that koyote!!! He thinks my cats would be safe in his area (he lives in the middle of nowhere) as only deer would come near his house now and he hasn't had another diamontback rattle snake on his land in the last two years...nevertheless, I am worried about my furrys when I imagine them living there...without those creatures there it would be paradise for them...but with them...I am a bit nervous and might have to re-think about it... TO THE OP, if I would be you I would try alternative ways to that doormatt. My cats (and I am told they all would not like it) dislike it when I use tea trea oil on me, e.g. when I have a cold...(some people say to put drops into cream, however I always use it as it is directly on my skin). Now, what I would do is, I would ad tea tree oil onto her doormatt...that might help your cat to stay away from it...though I don't knw for how long it would last....but maybe if you would do it for a while your cat might get pissed off about it and stop that habbit... whatever you do...good luck :o)

FelineFae -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 5:01:05 PM)
i agree that cats should stay inside. Letting your cat outside exposes them to a lot of health hazards. That said, if you must let them out, why not buy or build an inclosure ? The cat/s/ can't roam over to the nieghbors this way, and if it's sturdy enough, large preditors are less a danger.

LanceHughes -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 5:02:46 PM)
TO: pahunkboy Just say "NO" - Seriously - you ignore the pesky-ness. As a teacher, I have had bad acting students in the classroom, acting out, hoping that will get them what they want. Yes, they escalate. You must not give in. Practically, is there a trigger for that behavior? If you brush your teeth at night does that trigger the "request" to go out? If so, lock the cat in a separate room, so they are away from the back door. Whatever - unpattern your behavior. Yep.... they soon forget. It's exactly like correcting a sub/slave. Seriously..... I use withdrawal from the sub to negatively reinforce bad behavior. That is the Dom/Domme EASY answer to slaves/subs misbehaving purposefully so as to get a beating. A sub once related that he was a terror in grammar school. Punishment: spanking by Principal... Of course his behavior got worse and worse as the Principal escalated the severity of the beatings.... Momma stepped in and suggested the punishment be push-ups with more piled on as the offense got worse. You guessed the end of the story already, behavior inproved dramatically and quickly. That said, there is NOTHING like positive reinforcement to reinforce good behavior. After you trigger the cat's request, play with favorite toy, a bedtime snack, whatever you know that the cat likes. Now you'll have the brush-my-teeth trigger tied to some other, more desirable behavior.... Get it?

Phoenixpower -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 5:22:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy so then- how do I convince my cat- that she best stay indoors? They get quite pestery to go out. wrap her up in tape? then by the time she gets loose she forgets she wanted out? indeed!!! My 2 girls are the huge exception at the moment, apart from them none of my cats in my life (and I had many) would be happy just to stay inside [:o]

xxblushesxx -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 6:11:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LanceHughes TO: pahunkboy Just say "NO" - Seriously - you ignore the pesky-ness. As a teacher, I have had bad acting students in the classroom, acting out, hoping that will get them what they want. Yes, they escalate. You must not give in. Practically, is there a trigger for that behavior? If you brush your teeth at night does that trigger the "request" to go out? If so, lock the cat in a separate room, so they are away from the back door. Whatever - unpattern your behavior. Yep.... they soon forget. It's exactly like correcting a sub/slave. Seriously..... I use withdrawal from the sub to negatively reinforce bad behavior. That is the Dom/Domme EASY answer to slaves/subs misbehaving purposefully so as to get a beating. A sub once related that he was a terror in grammar school. Punishment: spanking by Principal... Of course his behavior got worse and worse as the Principal escalated the severity of the beatings.... Momma stepped in and suggested the punishment be push-ups with more piled on as the offense got worse. You guessed the end of the story already, behavior inproved dramatically and quickly. That said, there is NOTHING like positive reinforcement to reinforce good behavior. After you trigger the cat's request, play with favorite toy, a bedtime snack, whatever you know that the cat likes. Now you'll have the brush-my-teeth trigger tied to some other, more desirable behavior.... Get it? Quoted for Truth

Phoenixpower -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 7:39:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx quote: ORIGINAL: LanceHughes TO: pahunkboy Just say "NO" - Seriously - you ignore the pesky-ness. As a teacher, I have had bad acting students in the classroom, acting out, hoping that will get them what they want. Yes, they escalate. You must not give in. Practically, is there a trigger for that behavior? If you brush your teeth at night does that trigger the "request" to go out? If so, lock the cat in a separate room, so they are away from the back door. Whatever - unpattern your behavior. Yep.... they soon forget. It's exactly like correcting a sub/slave. Seriously..... I use withdrawal from the sub to negatively reinforce bad behavior. That is the Dom/Domme EASY answer to slaves/subs misbehaving purposefully so as to get a beating. A sub once related that he was a terror in grammar school. Punishment: spanking by Principal... Of course his behavior got worse and worse as the Principal escalated the severity of the beatings.... Momma stepped in and suggested the punishment be push-ups with more piled on as the offense got worse. You guessed the end of the story already, behavior inproved dramatically and quickly. That said, there is NOTHING like positive reinforcement to reinforce good behavior. After you trigger the cat's request, play with favorite toy, a bedtime snack, whatever you know that the cat likes. Now you'll have the brush-my-teeth trigger tied to some other, more desirable behavior.... Get it? Quoted for Truth I still prefer to let the cats out when possible...though considering the wildlife I mentioned IF I would move to my date...then I would try my best to ensure they are inside at night... here I am living to a main road since almost three years now and right since the start I do have 2 of my cats and soon later the 3rd joined us... and in general this is an area with a heck of a lot of cats...and thankfully none was so far discovered to be squashed at the road (though one has a missing tail which I assume might be a result from the road...) So unless I experience it the hard way my cats would continue to be outside after a move...as I simply know my boys would not appreciate it to be stuck inside [8\|]

LanceHughes -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 8:40:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower I still prefer to let the cats out when possible...So unless I experience it the hard way my cats would continue to be outside after a move...as I simply know my boys would not appreciate it to be stuck inside [8\|] So, you prefer to let the cats go to danger.... I hope you don't have RL children. My hating (and hated) Uncle (brother of my mother) used to say "Go play on the expressway," and he meant it!! And what is it that makes you prefer danger? That is, tell me the consequences of keeping them in the house? What is it in your house that makes the consequences of the outside less than the consequences of the inside? You are waiting until one gets killed and then you'll protect the others? "My boys would not appreciate it to be stuck inside." Yeah, and I bet they'd REALLY appreciate being DEAD! Start thinking, Phoenix...... you are putting 2 together with 2 and coming up with 3.

LanceHughes -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 8:43:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LanceHughes quote: ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower I still prefer to let the cats out when possible...So unless I experience it the hard way my cats would continue to be outside after a move...as I simply know my boys would not appreciate it to be stuck inside [8\|] So, you prefer to let the cats go to danger.... I hope you don't have RL children. My hating (and hated) Uncle (brother of my mother) used to say "Go play on the expressway," and he meant it!! And what is it that makes you prefer danger? That is, tell me the consequences of keeping them in the house? What is it in your house that makes the consequences of the outside less than the consequences of the inside? You are waiting until one gets killed and then (and only then) you'll protect the others? "My boys would not appreciate it to be stuck inside." Yeah, and I bet they'd REALLY appreciate being DEAD! Start thinking, Phoenix...... you are putting 2 together with 2 and coming up with 3.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Cooking Fat (2/7/2010 9:08:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin The cat has a litter box which she uses with no problem, but when she goes outside, the neighbour's doormat always get dumped or pissed on. The neighbour's doormat, is one of these natural fibre coir doormats. Letting the creature out is no problem around here, as it is car free, child free and right on the edge of farmland and the shores of the English Channel, it is quite wild here with badgers and foxes seen as regular sights. Not the scrawny battered city fox, but a lovely orangey red beast with a bushy tail. Ok, I admit it I laughed at the fact that your cat is letting your neighbor know what she thinks of her. It is most likely the material of the doormat that is causing this. My Socks was a feral stray when she adopted me (yes I didn't actually adopt her). Some cats will always be anti people, but it doesn't sound like yours is planning on taking that route. She really doesn't need to go out, all her needs are provided for in the house. At first Socks was outdoor, then she wandered in where we were living and was indoor/outdoor (at this point, she still wasn't "my" cat, just a visitor). She was very young, got herself pregnant and when we were moving I couldn't bear the thought of her having those kittens in the wild, so we scooped her up and brought her with us. She has left the house 3 times since we moved in here in June. The first time for a minute, the second for a day and the last, around New Year's for 3 days and I was frantic. She took to being an indoor cat quite well. At first she was pretty anti-people and just did her thing and stayed away from people unless there was food around. Now she is pretty attached to me. She sleeps with me every night, is on my lap whenever possible and is generally the best cat I ever had. Be patient with her. Talk to her a lot (believe it or not, they do like conversation, and Socks actually talks back). Cats can learn basic commands regardless of their independent streak. I was in a cast the last time Socks got out, the basement flooded and while the hose and pump were being hooked up, I was unable to keep watch, so yea, she is knocked up again. She does ask to go out, but understands the word "NO" and also knows her name, "come" and her favorite, "time for bed," lol. Get her some toys to play with in the house. Based on your description of where you live, I would imagine that on occassion you might have the stray mouse for her to catch. I know we get them here, and I never have to worry, Socks catches them quickly, satisfying her urge to hunt. In time, your new "roommate" will open up and you will be unable to imagine life before her.

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