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  ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls
  I don't think they are intentionally trying to destroy America, but I do think they made the mistake of listening to Alan Greenspan who started all this free trade nonsense which will ultimately cause our demise.
  Greenspan had two reasons for promoting free trade.
  1) He said that by making everyone's economy interdependent on each other, each country would be less likely to step out of line, knowing full well that sanctions would destroy their economy.
  2) He also believed that by allowing corporations to diversify their markets, each country would be less likely to suffer major recessions, since not all markets would go down at the same time. Theoretically, there would be as many markets going up as down which would stabilize the world economy.
   Sounds good doesn't it? Turns out it's a failed policy? Why? Because if each nation doesn't have the ability to build their own economy like we did over the past 60 years, then they must feed off of the nations that do. The whole world has apparently decided to feed off of our economy, including china, and there is no possible way we can take on these many liabilities and survive.
  
  In the end, once we collapse, then they will to. It was a mistake, but it can be corrected if we vote for "Fair" trade candidates. For example, we can either cancel NAFTA, the best choice, since they are obviously using it to create a North American Union without the consent of the American people (treason); or we can withdraw from the WTO and put a 10 to 20% import tax on any imported item purchased valued at over $500. This would keep the essentials such as food, clothing, and medicine cheap, but it would increase the cost of luxury items, such as plasma tv's, and cars. The money would go to the state, not the federal government, since we all know the more you feed the federal government, the more they will want.
  
  If we choose to cancel NAFTA, how do we do that without collapsing both economies? Simple, we do it over a 10 year period by banning the imports of the companies who left first, which will force them to open up factories here again. We do not force them to close down factories in Mexico, since they may still be able to use those operations in Mexico and for exporting to other countries.
  By the way, the audacity of Greenspan is beyond belief. He recently warned the democrats not to back away from free trade or there would be severe consequences. I'm pretty sure he meant severe consequences for the Chinese, because all I see are advantages. It takes 3 times as many employees to make a product here and sell it, than it does just to sell a foreign product. You should also remember that during the Clinton administration, before NAFTA, and China were signed, we had budget surpluses. Where did the budget surpluses go? Foreign employees, and foreign corporations don't pay U.S. income taxes. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened. The most logical approach is to go back to the time that created the budget surpluses. That was the Reagan era. NO,NO, and hell to the NO!!! {This is where we PART company, here,Ronald Reagan is behind and to blame for union busting, and propelling outsourcing.  }.It takes 5 to 10 years for the results of free trade agreements, and economic policies to become apparent, and Bill Clinton was the recipient of Reaganomics. LIES! LIES! and damn LIES!  it took a while for the failed Reagan policies to destroy our nation.
  Anytime the government imposes fees, taxes or penalties on corporations, small businesses, financial institutions or energy companies, eventually they have no other choice but to pass these costs on to you the consumer. This is why they are called hidden or backdoor taxes, and the democrats deceived you by promising you a middle class tax cut, knowing full well that they would get even more money out of you in the long run from socialized medicine, and all their backdoor taxes. This is what democrats do people. They take and spend your money. When will you figure that out???
   

  
  I blame your precious Ronald Reagan for being a big player in where we are TODAY.
  I have been chatting about all these just wonderful free trade agreements we have on here for years.
  I have been against most of this crap since the 80's.
  I may even dig up some of my boy's Michael Moore's "Roger and Me" video's made 20 years ago,
  when Detroit was destroyed, and many think it was "no big deal".
  We have been sitting back and watching our country be destroyed for almost 25 years, and many still can't fucking buy a clue.
  "Nafta, Shafta, and many other little agreements have screwed America in the assta".
  
  People are so fucking crazy and desperate, I actually saw on these boards where many think that part-time 3 month Census jobs, and seasonal work will help save our economy, or maybe those of us that are working can go further in debt and we can fucking buy and spend our way out of this fucking Depression?  Than we will have more people working in strip malls and McDonald's?
  Of course, one of the "answers" is for many here is to extend unemployment benefits, maybe for like 10 years?
  
  The answer my friend, is fucking blowing in the wind.
  Welcome to the coming Depression, it really is going to come.  
  Does anyone have any idea how much the "deficit" will be in about 5-10 years?
  Anyone brave enough to want to guess?  

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ORIGINAL: MzMia


People are so fucking crazy and desperate, I actually saw on these boards where many think that part-time
3 month Census jobs, and seasonal work will help save our economy.
Of course, one of the "answers" is for many here is to extend unemployment benefits, maybe for like 10 years?

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

People are so fucking crazy and desperate, I actually saw on these boards where many think that part-time
3 month Census jobs, and seasonal work will help save our economy.
Of course, one of the "answers" is for many here is to extend unemployment benefits, maybe for like 10 years?

I have mentioned the census jobs, not as a solution, but as a bandaid that will mask the continued decline in the economy. **Its not even a bandaid, it is like a grain of sand on the beach.**There will be bragging over the next couple of months about how many jobs are being created and how great the numbers look, without mention of it being a temp blip on the radar.  If there is bragging over those Census jobs, we are in far worse shape then I imagined, I might need to jump out of the window when that happens.

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: MzMia


People are so fucking crazy and desperate, I actually saw on these boards where many think that part-time
3 month Census jobs, and seasonal work will help save our economy.
Of course, one of the "answers" is for many here is to extend unemployment benefits, maybe for like 10 years?

I have mentioned the census jobs, not as a solution, but as a bandaid that will mask the continued decline in the economy. There will be bragging over the next couple of months about how many jobs are being created and how great the numbers look, without mention of it being a temp blip on the radar.

No offense, Thadius but the fact that people think that 3-4 month temporary Census jobs can even put a dent into this economy, is just funny to me.  They will also be hiring at the local amusement parks, if anybody is going there this year.  I won't be.  Let's not forget all the great jobs that will be opening up at McDonald's and the strip malls.
lol
Please read above posts on free trade again.