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BoiJen -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/10/2010 7:46:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia quote: ORIGINAL: AnimusRex Lord how I wish you are right, tazzy...but the rumblings we are hearing from our developer clients is nothing is moving yet, weather be damned. Housing demand is down, commercial demand is down...we are hoping for public spending to trigger infrastructure work. I don't see john q. public doing much spending at all Rex. I thought I heard that foreclosures will continue to rise. We certainly have not even hit bottom yet. I just wonder what will happen, if/when we ever stop spreading "stimulus" money. MizMia the problem is this, economic health is based on individual wealth and spending. We have to spend, not save. The problem is, if we spend, we might be down the hole in a short while. General: I don't think eliminating stimulus funds all together is a good thing. After all, the unemployment extensions are part of a stimulus plan in stages. I think the problem with this is a very poor understanding of how the economy works from the perspective of our law makers. Giving businesses money doesn't actually help the businesses. There is still no consumer movement when businesses get stimulus funds directly. economy still doesn't move. When consumers are given money the economy begins to move again. What helped during the Depression was government created jobs. And by that I mean construction and war time jobs. People got money because they got a job funded by the government and did the work to get paid. The Reforestation act of '33 created 250,000 jobs for young men. While these jobs were temporary in nature these young men suddenly had money to spend and were able to create a demand. Businesses needed to hire people to meet that demand. The cycle of recovery began. When businesses are rewarded for taking jobs out of the country (thank you NAFTA) and further encouraged by being given government funds directly, jobs are not created where they need to be created: HERE. My point is, stimulus funds are not, in and of themselves, bad. How these "stimulus funds" have been spent in this last bit of economic turmoil is what's bad. I still think that this thing is going to go on for quite a while because while Obama likes to tout shit like "I don't think trickle down economics work", he's still leading the government that is giving hundreds of billions of dollars to big business out of fear and basically shitty on the little guy with a couple of pennies. The current stimulus plan still follows an idea of trickling down. Socially speaking, we come together as a country when all of our economic classes face hardship. Our ideals begin to match closer to that of our neighbors and we begin to appreciate one another again. From where I'm sitting, if a little bit of socialism is what it's going to take to do that, then I'm ok with it. Start calling those loans good right now and taxing the hell out of big business with a firm note of shutting their asses down if they pass that along to the consumer. Give that money back to social programs that will build this country back up. When we balance out again, then let's talk about deregulation one more time. PS. Here's the New deal timeline... http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA02/volpe/newdeal/timeline_text.html

tazzygirl -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/10/2010 7:47:43 PM)
I have a feeling it will only affect.. maybe... 2 percent of the unemployed.. and then at possibly only part time hours, no benefits. Obama needs to get that money going for the stimulus. Thats what i truly dont understand about all that. Why is that money just sitting around? Wasnt much of it supposed to go to road and bridge work, things like that?

juliaoceania -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/10/2010 7:52:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnimusRex Lord how I wish you are right, tazzy...but the rumblings we are hearing from our developer clients is nothing is moving yet, weather be damned. Housing demand is down, commercial demand is down...we are hoping for public spending to trigger infrastructure work. I live in an area where there was a lot of gentrification that has happened in recent years... all the newly developed or redeveloped offices and retail space... empty still, and to make matters worse, some of the well established places are closing... franchises even... sad

tazzygirl -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/10/2010 7:54:52 PM)
While we have had our differences, i completely agree with you on this, jen. Government needs to work on stimulating the economy, not bailing out businesses that are piss poor at running the bottom line. Businesses are not passing the trickle down.. they are hoarding for the long run, giving out bonuses and praying this all goes away in a couple of years. Already we have had reports on companies sitting on huge bank accounts... and spending nothing, admitting to keeping the profits secure for future use. If we, as americans, all go broke, exactly who are they going to sell too?

BoiJen -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/10/2010 8:09:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl While we have had our differences, i completely agree with you on this, jen. Government needs to work on stimulating the economy, not bailing out businesses that are piss poor at running the bottom line. Businesses are not passing the trickle down.. they are hoarding for the long run, giving out bonuses and praying this all goes away in a couple of years. Already we have had reports on companies sitting on huge bank accounts... and spending nothing, admitting to keeping the profits secure for future use. If we, as americans, all go broke, exactly who are they going to sell too? General: The thing is this: Our government will not change until our people do. Until our people begin demands the change. By demand I mean going into the streets and stringing those bastards soaking up our tax dollars up by their silk ties. Until the people of the United States take back actively being involved in their government, nothing will change. Frankly, it really has to start with absolute elimination of a candidate's ability to receive any funds not established by a company they have actively worked for. I.E Pensions and standard 401K accounts and even those accounts need to be strictly scrutinized and made available for public record. Frankly, if someone wants to run for office I want to know where their interests are and the best way to do that in a capitalist society is to be able to see where the money comes from. Secondly, those elected officials should not, by any means, be able to vote them selves a God damned raise. Tjose are tax dollars and they better be doing a lot better of a job than watching our economic state go down the shitter to get a raise. Even CEOs who send a company into bankruptcy don't have jobs by the end of it (just look at GM). Our law makers should not be exempt from this logical process. It's time to bring in the axe man. Vote independent damnit. This two party system bullshit is part of the reason these individuals are getting away with this crap. The only way to motivate them is to threaten their livelihood...their jobs. And since we're supposed to be the individuals who hire them, we need to take responsibility for that. Be active, call your local representative tomorrow as well as your senator and ask them why they're taking a week off next week when you're trying to figure out how to pay your bills. They can have the luxury of paid vacations and benefits when the people who voted them into office are guaranteed the same. And to not be the hypocrite, I have spent several hours over the last couple of months leaving messages with the senators of Michigan and Florida and cycling through the respective representatives.

MzMia -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/10/2010 8:32:10 PM)
I understand we need to spend not save. What I am saying is most of the people that I know {me included}, are NOT spending unless we have to. Statistics are showing consumer spending over-all is declining. Gallup Economic Weekly: Self-Reported Spending Declines

Thadius -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/10/2010 8:35:14 PM)
I keep waiting for a restraining order to be requested for the number of times I have tried to contact our wonderful senators here in Michigan.

sexyred1 -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/10/2010 8:38:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I have to say that beginning March, the job outlook improves. Warmer weather, gearing up for construction, hiring for resorts... all these help in the hiring market. There are no easy answers. Not in certain fields. I am in media; thousands of people keep being laid off from the big media companies, magazines are being shut down, newspapers are folding, TV and radio is suffering and only online is flatlining. I just got a job after 3 months of constant interviewing. I don't feel confident about this changing anytime soon.

Thadius -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/10/2010 8:42:02 PM)
Fast Reply Something I forgot to add earlier. This spring will see a spike in hiring, at least temporarily. The Census Bureau will be hiring around a million folks to go out and do the polling.

eyesopened -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/11/2010 5:19:33 AM)
BoiJen I think you hit the nail on the head! I've been unemployed. Twice. It's an emotionally bad place to be. It would seem like being unemployed would make it easier to look for and find work. But strangely it does not. At one point I just had to suck it up and do anything at all. A waitress at a crappy diner, but once I did some kind of work, I had some self-esteem back and once that came back, I was much more effective at interviews and got a good job within 6 weeks of starting my waitressing job. I add this because it really doesn't help to extend benefits, it helps when people can work. If we can afford to pay people without jobs we can afford to pay people to do a lot of the necessary jobs like rebuilding homes destroyed by Katrina. Or clean up the mess (it's still not totally cleaned up). Or repair all the crubling bridges, there are lots of things that could be done. What the government provided during the depression wasn't just jobs...it included people's self-esteem. We need to regain our American pride not reward greed for greed's sake.

BoiJen -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/11/2010 7:47:51 AM)
I think we do need to extend unemployment benefits for those who have not been able to find jobs. It does no good to have even more people depending on welfare (a far more costly and exceeding program than unemployment) when the solution is a temporary extension of unemployment benefits. BTW, can anyone please explain to me why law makers were allowed to vote themselves a cost of living increase but those on social security did not receive a cost of living increase? I mean...who's more likely to need it? I'm just confused on this process and why these men and women still have jobs.

HisSweetElysium -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/11/2010 7:59:49 AM)
I've been unemployed for almost a year and a half. It SUCKS, I have applied for hundreds of jobs in my field and out of it. Those that even bother to acknowledge you applied are rare. To get an interview, it's a unicorn. I have ten years of experience in my industry (higher education administration) and I can't even get a secretarial job paying 10K less than I was making before I was laid off. Higher ed finance is based on performance of endowments, and with poor performance, low enrollments, they cut middle management. Those at the top are not going to cut their own paychecks or jobs, and those at the bottom earn the least, so they cut those of us in the middle. It is completely demoralizing to spend hours every day drafting letters, researching jobs, editing resumes, and then not even an acknowledgment. I decided to go back to school, where at least I get positive feedback for my efforts. I found myself so depressed as a result of the job search, it was a miserable place to be. I can't go back to school full time though until August (the way the program works) and I'm having a hell of a time getting all the student loans I need. So I would really appreciate an extension of unemployment, as well as a revision to the loans structure. Paying off 100K at 8% interest is NOT attractive at my age.... :(

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/11/2010 5:12:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl No offence, boijen, but i dont trust these economists. I do trust my experience with the job market. Many industries, especially construction and service, can be trended out. Many of these are either part time, or under the table jobs. But the hiring will start. Just no way to know for sure how many. Thats the difficult part. I dont see an end within the next year. But i do anticipate an easing by summer. ' Since unemployment statistics are seasonally adjusted you dont know wtf youre talking about. Surprise surprise surprise.

tazzygirl -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/11/2010 5:39:48 PM)
willbe... my post in no way referred to statistics... it referred to actual jobs. try keeping up.

AnimusRex -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/11/2010 7:19:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen What helped during the Depression was government created jobs. And by that I mean construction and war time jobs. People got money because they got a job funded by the government and did the work to get paid. The Reforestation act of '33 created 250,000 jobs for young men. While these jobs were temporary in nature these young men suddenly had money to spend and were able to create a demand. Businesses needed to hire people to meet that demand. The cycle of recovery began. This. We could put thousands of people back to work on infrastructure work directly funded and performed by the government like the CCC, the WPA, and various local state government doing the desperately needed maintenance and upgrades that the American Society of Civil Engineers has long be clamoring for. Our bridges and rail lines and roads are falling apart, millions of people are out of work, and we have billions of dollars sloshing through the banking system waiting to be used. Does anyone else see how these pieces can be put together? Oh, by the way- can a straight guy get in on the boijen fan club? Just askin'.

BoiJen -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/11/2010 8:07:24 PM)
And now for your regularly scheduled PSA: Appreciation for the boi can be shown by joining the Official Boi Jen fan club and by voting for Jen Laws when yous ee the name on your local ballot, n matter what the local or federal government position. Membership to the fan club, much like voting, is not limited by gender, race, or orientation (age may be so only in terms of legal majority). The only limitation is unjustified assholishness. And now back your regularly scheduled adoration of the boi and in this case, bitching with suggestions about the current governmental, economical, and social situations of the good ole USofA.

pyroaquatic -> RE: Federal Unemployment Extension? (2/11/2010 8:39:11 PM)
I've been wondering when they will combine roads with solar panels. They are just sitting their being roads and absorbing heat. Why not make some electricity?! Innovation seems to be lacking. Who needs another type of towel, kitchen gadget, or walmart landfill? I've been sustaining fine without Unemployment Help. It takes a massive amount of work and calculations, and luck (cannot forget that). Tomorrow I will be heading out to my local government building to fill out the appropriate forms to be a legal beagle business. All I have is a bicycle and a home where I can work at one project at a time. (I have three minor accomplishments and one major one). I-for one-am going to be in the business of employing people to do good energy producing work. Next comes the research grants right? In Florida I have been searching for gainful employment for ten months. I have come to the conclusion that I have to say 'fuck it' and snub my nose to every place within a 25 mile radius in my location. I've flooded places with applications and resumes. I will bask in the very madness of the nuclear sun. This one shall thrive in these dismal times. ---- Will the discordant desperate lower classes resort to measures of lining up and "Waiting for the Fish"? No. I think not. Not when you have a crazy bastard like me fine tuning a repetitive cycle. Call me cocky, but I am about to change some things. Starting with myself. Nothing will halt my progress. :3 Good Day.

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