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Thadius -> 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:05:21 PM)

Yay! The President just signed the $1.9 TRILLION increase to the debt limit into law.

That combined with the proposed $15 Billion spending freeze should get this debt under control. [8|]




MzMia -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:09:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Yay! The President just signed the $1.9 TRILLION increase to the debt limit into law.

That combined with the proposed $15 Billion spending freeze should get this debt under control. [8|]


This is just the beginning, are you fucking kidding me?
Look at the unemployment numbers and the economy.


Getting the debt under control is not even the major issue on the table right now.
You can't worry about how to build a house, until you put the fire out of the house you have that is already burning.

Our house is on fire, we can't rebuild a damn thing, until we first put out the fire.




servantforuse -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:10:05 PM)

I'm willing to bet that the "proposed" 15 billion freeze will never happen. This country is in deep shit with this much debt..




Jeffff -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:10:07 PM)

I still don't feel bailed out.


Jeff




MzMia -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:12:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I still don't feel bailed out.

Jeff


10 trillion more and you might start to feel it!
[;)]




pahunkboy -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:17:31 PM)

it is only paper.




Thadius -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:27:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Yay! The President just signed the $1.9 TRILLION increase to the debt limit into law.

That combined with the proposed $15 Billion spending freeze should get this debt under control. [8|]


This is just the beginning, are you fucking kidding me?
Look at the unemployment numbers and the economy.


Getting the debt under control is not even the major issue on the table right now.
You can't worry about how to build a house, until you put the fire out of the house you have that is already burning.

Our house is on fire, we can't rebuild a damn thing, until we first put out the fire.


That is part of the problem... to start covering these increased interest payments the taxes are going to have to go up (across the board), hurting all of us even more in the pocket book.

To follow up on your analogy, if the foundation of the house is fucked let the damn house burn down.




pahunkboy -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:29:00 PM)

Chapman said the DOW is going to go down so as to shift investors into US bonds.

Imagine.




MzMia -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:32:03 PM)

Of course the house is going to burn down.
That's why I don't care much about the "debt" right now.
{See my post on outsourcing.}

The "debt" is the cost of doing business these days, we will be paying that for the next 100 years.
lol
You must forget, I never stopped saying we are headed for a full out Depression.

My prediction has certainly never changed, in fact I am more sure of it than 3 years ago.

I am thinking it might be better just to go ahead and hit bottom so than we can re-build and start over.
The next revolution will certainly be televised.
Don't forget they are hiring Census workers for 3 months, and when we buy more shit from China, there will be more jobs at the strip malls.

 




Thadius -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:35:25 PM)

I just heard Kucinich propose that we lower the retirement age (for Social security) temporarily to allow 1 million folks to retire and get on the rolls, thus opening up 1 million jobs.

God I love the logic of some of our elected officials.




mnottertail -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 1:48:38 PM)

schlau, aber nicht wahr.

if we did that, we would have to finance some of the heavy ious in the social security fund to come up with some cash.


Ron




mnottertail -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 2:07:02 PM)

LOL, I am the ultimate politician. I should run, I can come up with shit to spin heads.

Some wizard is gonna say in response to me:

Yeah, that's a great idea!!!!! We can buy them back while interest rates are so low, after all we owe it to ourselves!!!!!!

Milt Keynes





Thadius -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 2:27:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

schlau, aber nicht wahr.

if we did that, we would have to finance some of the heavy ious in the social security fund to come up with some cash.


Ron


I saw a report earlier that said 20 million new people added to the social security rolls in 2009, can't wait to see those numbers this year. Here come the baby boomers.... weeeeeeeeeeeeeee.




Thadius -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 2:28:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

LOL, I am the ultimate politician. I should run, I can come up with shit to spin heads.

Some wizard is gonna say in response to me:

Yeah, that's a great idea!!!!! We can buy them back while interest rates are so low, after all we owe it to ourselves!!!!!!

Milt Keynes



Isn't that what the fed just did with all of those bonds in the fall?




mnottertail -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 2:30:37 PM)

The 'new' fiscal conservatives are buying the Hjalmer Schacht how-to manual.


Herr von Krupp




rulemylife -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 2:38:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Chapman said the DOW is going to go down so as to shift investors into US bonds.

Imagine.



As I recall, when the Dow was at it's low point in March trading in the low to mid 6,000 range these insightful prognosticators were predicting it to continue to fall till it bottomed at 3-4,000.

Yet it has made a steady rebound and has been trading above 10,000 for months.




mnottertail -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 2:40:13 PM)

well, he did say imagine, bottom line, and hes hooked hunkie......so...may start an unmedicated stampede....




europeantrainer -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 2:43:56 PM)

Hello Mz Mia,the house will burn down,but will also SINK,so no rebuilding is possible,the Queen of England want it ALL,according to one group,i would add that the international bankers,the elite also want it ALL,we have such a great very GENEROUS new world order administrator in Washington, he  love to do as he is told-perfect slave.Just mention; Geralde Celente is always correct,google him,JACK




Musicmystery -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 3:18:37 PM)

quote:

That is part of the problem... to start covering these increased interest payments the taxes are going to have to go up (across the board), hurting all of us even more in the pocket book.


Where were you on this while we constructed this problem for the past ten years--with tax cuts and spending increases?

It didn't pop up from nowhere.

That said, I agree it's a significant problem. Like the trade deficit we've ignored for years. Like fixing SS and Medicaid/Medicare like we've put off for years. Like ignoring the need to address health care insurance instead of ignoring the growing problem. Like pretending it's this party or that party's problem, as they've both focused exclusively on expansionary policies for years, in good times and in bad, whether more tax cuts or more spending.

And that said, I agree that slamming on the breaks while still in a young recovery while we rebuild jobs would be a mistake. So we continue on, reluctantly, for the short term.

That said, it's past time to stop ignoring this problem.

I actually blame Reagan--this conservative hero changed us from the largest creditor nation in the world to the largest debtor nation in the world in just a single administration, and with 25% of U.S. assets owned by foreign interests instead of largely in U.S. hands. It was a very, very bad precedent, convincing all sorts of people this was justified, and showing lots of others they could get away with policies like this.

Not that Carter was any better. But simplistic magic money solutions should be ridiculed (as Bush and Dole did when Reagan first proposed his nonsense) and dropped, not enshrined.

This nation needs a lobotomy.





UncleNasty -> RE: 1.9 Trillion more... (2/12/2010 5:53:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

That is part of the problem... to start covering these increased interest payments the taxes are going to have to go up (across the board), hurting all of us even more in the pocket book.


Where were you on this while we constructed this problem for the past ten years--with tax cuts and spending increases?

It didn't pop up from nowhere.

That said, I agree it's a significant problem. Like the trade deficit we've ignored for years. Like fixing SS and Medicaid/Medicare like we've put off for years. Like ignoring the need to address health care insurance instead of ignoring the growing problem. Like pretending it's this party or that party's problem, as they've both focused exclusively on expansionary policies for years, in good times and in bad, whether more tax cuts or more spending.

And that said, I agree that slamming on the breaks while still in a young recovery while we rebuild jobs would be a mistake. So we continue on, reluctantly, for the short term.

That said, it's past time to stop ignoring this problem.

I actually blame Reagan--this conservative hero changed us from the largest creditor nation in the world to the largest debtor nation in the world in just a single administration, and with 25% of U.S. assets owned by foreign interests instead of largely in U.S. hands. It was a very, very bad precedent, convincing all sorts of people this was justified, and showing lots of others they could get away with policies like this.

Not that Carter was any better. But simplistic magic money solutions should be ridiculed (as Bush and Dole did when Reagan first proposed his nonsense) and dropped, not enshrined.

This nation needs a lobotomy.




Most people are so far under something they haven't the time or energy to pay attention to any of the many major issues were facing, and being up by.

I made a post a few days about the continuing housing mess. There were only 5 replies (one of which I solicited from another forum participant just to try and keep it on the front page) and nothing to indicate anyone had read any of the information contained in the links.

So what do you do? Beats me but I won't be spending any more of my time trying to inform others. I'll just keep reading and researching on my own, and hope there are others that care enough about ANY of the major issues we're facing to get up off their asses and dance.

Uncle Nasty




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