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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

I'm not attempting to derail, but the figures quoted for the war are well over 1 trillion and more.  Bush used a simple accounting trick to not count the numbers for 5 years.

Second, my comment has not been answered, as you are a supporter.  I still find it interesting that all those who did not BITCH when the GOP was spending and increasing the size of our government (homeland security) still voted for and supported the very people who created it

The word "conservative" has been lost, not because of the DEMS, but because those who claimed they where 'conservative" did not support that thought or ideal when the GOP had charge of this country.

Now they claim to be 'not" those who supported Bush but their voting record reveals them.

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1st, just because someone votes for a president, doesn't mean they vote for every action taken in that presidents term. It doesn't even mean they agree with everything he did.

No but it does say you support their ideals

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I suppose the biggest reason I want to see the size of government reduced, has to do with personal freedom. The bigger the centralized government becomes, the less liberty each and every one of us enjoys. Just look at all of the cases in which citizens are told they can't do something on their "own" land, because of some bureaucrat in DC has declared such and such an endangered species, a wetland needing protection etc... The farmers in California come to mind with the way they weren't allowed to irrigate their crops because of such a ruling. Thus preventing them from making a living, and arguably adding to increased pricing on certain foods due to shortages.

But they are 14th amendment citizens and as such part of the club, that is they are chattel property and have no right to say no.

Thats the way it works.  Now I know you all wanna say I am full of it but in the end I will sit back and tell you that they got away with it.  If it what I am saying was not true explain HOW they got away with it? If it was really illegal?


I think your illustration is pretty spot on. As each administration and congress comes into power, they add more and more of their own pet projects with the complimentary public servants, and nobody has the balls to get rid of the ones under the last administration.

Government has no legal mandate to be in the job creation department, it has become a parasite.

The people of this country are victims of syntax terrorism by the courts and foreign agents known as attorneys of this country!  Did you know attorneys are foreign agents and are required, well were required not sure if they still are to register as such?

Now you might think I am just being snitpicky but they DO have the legal mandate.  The dont however have a lawful mandate.

With the growth of the Federal government over the years, it has become aware that in order to keep the cushy jobs and great benefits it must feed more and more on the host. Then to make sure that the funds are coming in, more jobs are created which requires even more feeding. It's a downward spiral that needs to be broken.

Finally, but as I heard one of the talking heads state the other day " I have never gotten a job from a poor person." ; that pretty much sums up my feelings. Attacking the wealthy and big corporations as being the bad guy seems, at least to me, to be the wrong targets. Big government is a much uglier monster, it is the only employer that I know of that can not only demand a certain price be paid by what it sees as customers(tax payers), but it can do so without fear of running out of capital for new programs, and until recently no fear of bankruptcy.

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I could give you hundreds of examples of failed private business...some that profoundly affect this country...and just as expensive...There is no difference in private and public enterprise when it comes to a fair well run organization...Large businesses have the same problems a large government...but as I said above we can get rid of our government losers... we have no control over private business loser... And don't say just don't buy...that will not fly...In private business we don't know who is fucking us.

I'm all for a free market place but regulation is an absolute necessity…at least in my opinion. Making sure business toes the line in a fair and honest way is still a conservative thought.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

The inherent inefficiency and lack of competition are high on the list, Steve, but also the simple fact that power corrupts.  The less power gov't has in the daily lives of the citizenry, the fewer opportunities are created for corruption to grow.

When I say "corruption," it isn't just a reference to bribery, but to the decay of character and purpose.  It can be as simple as the shitty attitude of a DMV clerk, all the way up to Nixon's enemies list.

Well and succinctly said.

Ditto.

Firm

Firm don't you think corruption is an even bigger problem for business then government? I do, at least in government we can get rid of those misusing power. That is not the case in business.

That said then should there not be a government balance to business power? Remember history when business excesses lead to regulation. 84-hour workweeks…literal servitude and exploitation of children were just a few of these.

All things must be in balance…and competition does not always lead to the best of anything. It just means the stronger will succeed...this says nothing of worth. As an example oil companies buying up patents on alternate energy sources is not the right kind of competition.

Butch