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MrMister -> Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 11:18:31 AM)

I didn't think the president has any such legitimate power or "authority," but I suppose that's never stopped them before seeing how "Slick Willy" and "George the Dumber" did in fact utilize executive orders during their respective administrations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/13/us/politics/13obama.html

Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power 

By PETER BAKER
Mr. Obama has not given up hope of progress on Capitol Hill, aides said, and has scheduled a session with Republican leaders on health care later this month. But in the aftermath of a special election in Massachusetts that cost Democrats unilateral control of the Senate, the White House is getting ready to act on its own in the face of partisan gridlock heading into the midterm campaign.

“We are reviewing a list of presidential executive orders and directives to get the job done across a front of issues,” said Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff.

Any president has vast authority to influence policy even without legislation, through executive orders, agency rule-making and administrative fiat.



Jeffff -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 11:19:49 AM)

Read the Biography of Andrew Jackson. This has been going on for a lot longer than Bill or George.


Jeff



MrMister -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 11:24:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Read the Biography of Andrew Jackson. This has been going on for a lot longer than Bill or George.


Jeff


Yes I have read that, but the question in my mind remains. Do they actually have the legitimate power or authority to do so? That's what I am wondering



Jeffff -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 11:28:11 AM)

Given the history of the office,and  the fact that congress is often as easy a wasted hooker, Yes



tazzygirl -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 11:28:39 AM)

An executive order in the United States is an order issued by the President, the head of the executive branch of the federal government. In other countries, similar edicts may be known as decrees, or orders-in-council. Executive orders may also be issued at the state level by a state's Governor or at the local level by the city's Mayor. U.S. Presidents have issued Executive Orders since 1789, usually to help officers and agencies of the Executive branch manage the operations within the Federal Government itself. Executive orders do have the full force of law since issuances are typically made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress, some of which specifically delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation), or are believed to have their authority for issuances based in a power inherently granted to the Executive by the Constitution. It is these cited or perceived justifications made by a President when authoring Executive Orders that have come under criticism for exceeding Executive authority and have been subject to legal proceedings even at various times throughout U.S. history concerning the legal validity or justification behind an order's issuance.

U.S. Presidents have issued Executive Orders since 1789. Although there is no Constitutional provision or statute that explicitly permits Executive Orders, there is a vague grant of "executive power" given in Article II, Section 1, Clause 1 of the Constitution, and furthered by the declaration "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" made in Article II, Section 3, Clause 4. At the minimum, most Executive Orders use these Constitutional reasonings as the authorization allowing for their issuance to be justified as part of the President's sworn duties,[1] the intent being to help direct officers of the US Executive carry out their delegated duties as well as the normal operations of the Federal Government - the consequence of failing to comply possibly being the removal from office.[2]

Other types of orders issued by 'the Executive' are generally classified simply as administrative orders rather than Executive Orders.[3] These are typically:

Presidential Determination
(Presidential) Memorandum
(Presidential) Notice
Presidential directives are considered a form of executive order issued by the President of the United States with the advice and consent of a major agency or department found within the Executive branch of government.[4] Some types of Directives are:

National Security Directives
Homeland Security Presidential Directives (presidential decision directives)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order_(United_States)

Wiki can be your friend! lol

its a good description if you care to read.

And, yes, the President does have the power!



MrMister -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 11:39:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And, yes, the President does have the power!


I'm not trying to be disrespectful, and I really do appreciate your response, but what I was wondering if ANY president, not just Obama, has the legitimate authority (granted by our constitution) to utilize such powers as an "executive order" to initiate their policies and/or agenda without legislation. You even mentioned that it is a "vague granting" of such. This is why I'm wondering - why is it so readily accepted? I'm simply trying to understand and thought I would ask some of you folks here for your input.



Thadius -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 11:40:29 AM)

From my reading of various works there has to be a basis in law (an existing law) that the executive is attempting to carry out through the order. This is a really grey area of the law, as each executive order is unique ( or most are), and presents different legal and constitutional questions.

I think such a move would mean the end of this presidency, or at least the relevancy of it.



pahunkboy -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 11:56:15 AM)

funny- he never went to Columbia Univ



pahunkboy -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 11:57:22 AM)

http://americangrandjury.org/investigators-declare-obama-never-attended-columbia-university



Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 12:46:48 PM)

Columbia University says otherwise
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/08/11/obama.html



housesub4you -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 1:09:43 PM)

Gee, where is your bitch when GWB did it, a simple look at a history book will show this has been used since we became a country



Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 1:32:05 PM)

In this age of blocking for the sake of blocking, the only way to get people in vacant job slots is recess appointments.

I don't like it. But it's nothing new, and frankly, he's got little choice.



MrMister -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 1:35:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Gee, where is your bitch when GWB did it, a simple look at a history book will show this has been used since we became a country


I'm wondering where you get I'm bitching about it. Merely trying to understand something that I simply don't understand.



housesub4you -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 1:37:48 PM)

If you're not bitching they why start the thread

Then read history, it has been done for gee I would say the last 200 years



MrMister -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 1:41:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

If you're not bitching they why start the thread

Then read history, it has been done for gee I would say the last 200 years


Thanks, you've been very helpful!



housesub4you -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 1:43:02 PM)

Well I could bitch about "gee another Obama thread" like people do when we have a thread about the head of the GOP



MrMister -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 1:49:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well I could bitch about "gee another Obama thread" like people do when we have a thread about the head of the GOP


This is the last I'll say in response; What is so difficult to comprehend that I merely asked a question regarding something I know little about? Sure I could goggle it, go to the library, or whatever else. I was hoping to hear from a few folks on this site who's opinions I do indeed respect. And I suppose you think that's wrong of me to do so.



pahunkboy -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 1:50:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Columbia University says otherwise
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/08/11/obama.html



from the above link-(mine)

1) Columbia University will not divulge whether the “alleged” diploma issued was in the name of Barry Soetoro or Barack Hussein Obama. No public record exists regarding the diploma. 2) Obama alleges he attended Columbia in 1982, 1983. But, the investigators have been UNABLE to turn up a single shred of written documentation for the years 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 that show where Obama appeared on a school roster, register, faculty memo, bulletin board, school awards, dean’s list; where Obama’s name appeared in a yearbook, club record, fraternity record, extra curricular activity member roster, student newspaper, student radio or tv activity; where Obama appeared in any records as a worker, employee, laborer in or about Columbia University; where Obama enrolled in any sports activity or program. 3) As a graduating senior in 1983 he does not appear in any Political Science (his major) or Granduating Class yearbook or invitation records. 4) There is absolutely no documentation of any kind to show Obama attended, lived, worked or played at Columbia University during the investigated 4 years. 5) Interviewed professors, college employees, students (who were at Columbia during the years in question) have failed to turn up a single person that can remember Obama. This is irrefutable evidence. Think about your own situation if Obama had attended your college? A “now-famous” person went to your school? Many would be able to say, “of course I remember.” At Columbia, not a single person has been able to say he or she remembers Obama.



housesub4you -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 2:07:04 PM)

He graduated from Harvard Law School, with honors which is well documented




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Obama Making Plans to Use Executive Power (2/13/2010 2:10:22 PM)

That can't be right because he hasn't gone on a random shooting rampage yet.[8|]



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