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Politesub53 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 3:47:07 PM)
quote: Original Rule : I know that the towers were brought down by explosives. I know that there were no planes. I have identified the person who planned the demolition (don't ask). So this is the truth just on your say so ? If you had proof I am sure your ego would be only to keen to enlighten us all.

Rule -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 4:12:31 PM)
It is good that you are sure.

Politesub53 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 4:17:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule It is good that you are sure. All I am sure of is that you always evade the issue of proof.

pahunkboy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 4:23:14 PM)
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DomKen -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 4:26:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Here's the problem with doing it as a controlled demo. There is no fire to soften the central core. The central core supported the entire structure, the outer walls were not structural. To bring down one floor means cutting the central core. On at least one floor and to make sure it happens it means cutting it on 4 or 5 floors minimum. It would still require hole drilled into structural members and floor joists. It would still require precise timing and a foot thick bundle of wires. Go ask a demolition company. Edited to answer this part. Cannot it be done without any drilling? Just glue some thermate to a structural element? As for the core columns, I was given to understand that they are similar to the outer columns? If the latter can be cut by thermate, so the former, I would think. Also, before the towers went down there were some large explosions presumably of the core, reported. glue some thermate to teh outside of a 2 foot thick I beam? On the outside of the fireproofing? How many tones of the stuff are you going to use? The odds are that without completely surrounding the core in burning material the core would not weaken enough throughout to collapse straight down. If one side was still strong then the whole thing topples over instead of pancaking. I will once again tell you to go find a building demo engineer who will tell you as many have stated publicly that the only way to intentionally bring down a building teh way the towers came down is to do it by cutting the core and floor joists on many adjacent floors with high explosives in a precisely timed controlled demolition. Which brings you back to a big bundle of wires and a control panel. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen BTW radiographically? Radiography is the technical term for taking an xray of the inside of something. I think you mean by radio which is impossible. RF propogation inside a metal and concrete structure is problematic at best and for this sort of thing every signal has to be received or else something doesn't go off on time and the building doesn't come straight down. Yes, I mean by radio. Thank you for the correction. I recall faintly that radio signals were transmitted inside the building between many tens of floors, probably between fire fighters. I know something about radio, but I am not an expert. I know that the towers were brought down by explosives. I know that there were no planes. I have identified the person who planned the demolition (don't ask). I trust that DomKen is entirely right about his foot thick bundle of wires and deem that method of demolition for this project impractical. What does seem practical is having a completely computer controlled demolition triggered by coded radio signals. Of course the control panel would essentially be a computer but it cannot be doen with radio. each of thousands of charges would need to either have a radio receiver and computer chip to determine if the coded signal was theright one or each charge would require its own frequency. That's a ludicrous amount of equipment to fit in the spaces available. The WTC's were nearly fully occupied and there is no way no one would have noticed a huge work crew drilling holes in support beams and floor joists much less installing thousands of radio receivers and antennas. As to your claim of no planes, there are hundreds of thousands of people who saw them with their eyeballs and many hundreds of different pictures and films of theplanes hitting the towers. To dismiss that evidence is absurd. The planes hit the buildings. Intense fires started by the impacts and initially fueled by thejet fuel weakened the structures till they pancaked down.

Rule -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 4:32:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Rule It is good that you are sure. All I am sure of is that you always evade the issue of proof. Indeed. Now you may claim not only that you are sure, but also that you are right. Well done.

pahunkboy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 4:39:54 PM)
building 7 free fall. crash. the building where the Enron records were. Silverstein said "pull it' and they did.

Politesub53 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 4:49:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Rule It is good that you are sure. All I am sure of is that you always evade the issue of proof. Indeed. Now you may claim not only that you are sure, but also that you are right. Well done. You give me too much credit. I dont claim to be right, only that you either dont have, or wont show, any evidence.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 4:58:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy the building where the Enron records were. That'll teach the prosecution to back-up. Also details of how much money Mr F owes me for the lottery syndicate were stored there too, my tax returns also: stored there, my homework, you guessed it: stored there…

thornhappy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 5:15:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail http://wtc.nist.gov/ Unfortunately, Rule, RealOne, and pahunk don't believe those reports - they are part of the government conspiracy, don'cha know?

Rule -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 5:23:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen glue some thermate to the outside of a 2 foot thick I beam? Yep; if it is two foot thick, there must be plenty of space to attach thermite. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen On the outside of the fireproofing? That may not be practical? I have no idea: i am not a thermite expert. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen How many tonnes of the stuff are you going to use? I have no idea. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Of course the control panel would essentially be a computer but it cannot be done with radio. each of thousands of charges would need to either have a radio receiver and computer chip to determine if the coded signal was the right one or each charge would require its own frequency. I prefer the latter option. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen That's a ludicrous amount of equipment to fit in the spaces available. Not at all. I seem to recall that rfids can be as small as a grain of rice. They have their own particular frequency and their own radio antenna to receive and send information. So all that is required is a lump of thermite, a strip of magnesium, a rfid and somewhere else a computer and a radio transmitter. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The WTC's were nearly fully occupied They were? [:-] Can you prove that floor X, space Y was continuously occupied during the two weeks preceding the event? If you can, then please supply the names of the occupants for then they are suspects. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen there is no way no one would have noticed a huge work crew drilling holes in support beams and floor joists I dunno about that drilling: it seems very primitive to me; not very practical and bad for one's hearing. No, no drilling. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen much less installing thousands of radio receivers and antennas. I imagine that the lump of thermite already had their strip of magnesium and the rfid grain attached. It would be silly to loose all that time doing that in situ when it easily could be done months before in preparation. I wonder whether each lump was sealed in plastic bags or in individual cardboard boxes? Anybody seen such empties out with the trash during the two preceding weeks? quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen As to your claim of no planes, there are hundreds of thousands of people who saw them with their eyeballs and many hundreds of different pictures and films of theplanes hitting the towers. To dismiss that evidence is absurd. Supergenius is always absurd, thank you. If it wasn't absurd, everybody would be a supergenius. I distrust all of them eye-ball witnesses. Most had them eye-balls glued to their television screens. I investigated a number of them and had reason to disbelieve their testimony. A couple of purported eye-witnesses I have challenged and in EVERY case they refused to provide pertinent information. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The planes hit the buildings. Intense fires started by the impacts and initially fueled by the jet fuel weakened the structures till they pancaked down. The fires were brief. Fire fighters at location said that they would need merely two hoses to put them out. The black smoke indicated temperatures of 230 degrees Celsius if I recall correctly - a common office fire. This part of the collapse hypothesis I did investigate. I deemed it not credible. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The odds are that without completely surrounding the core in burning material the core would not weaken enough throughout to collapse straight down. If one side was still strong then the whole thing topples over instead of pancaking. I think that the person who planned the demolition would have made sure that did not happen, don't you? quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I will once again tell you to go find a building demo engineer who will tell you as many have stated publicly that the only way to intentionally bring down a building the way the towers came down is to do it by cutting the core and floor joists on many adjacent floors with high explosives in a precisely timed controlled demolition. Whatever for would I find a building demo engineer to tell me such kindergarten gospel that any toddler will divulge if given a lollipop? quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Which brings you back to a big bundle of wires No, it doesn't.

Rule -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 5:32:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 You give me too much credit. I dont claim to be right, only that you either dont have, or wont show, any evidence. No, I give credit where credit is due: you are entirely right in that I will not show any evidence. You are entitled - on my sincerely given say so - to climb on top of your roof and to loudly proclaim to any within voice range that you are right.

pahunkboy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 5:44:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail http://wtc.nist.gov/ Unfortunately, Rule, RealOne, and pahunk don't believe those reports - they are part of the government conspiracy, don'cha know? I know what I saw. I saw building 7- free fall in implosion- when it was not hit by any plane what so ever. I know what I heard. Larry Silverstein, said "pull it". show me the 23 pages that were blacked out.

pahunkboy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 5:52:55 PM)
the collapse of building 7 was also reported before it happened. by about 20 minutes. they reported the building had collapse over in the UK- even holding a live picture in the background- of - what else? Building number 7. someone dig this up. 7 was imploded. ....and today we are yet 1 more day closer to the next government false flag event.

pahunkboy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 5:54:35 PM)
http://www.google.com/search?q=building%207%20was%20also%20reported%20before%20it%20happened

pahunkboy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 5:55:58 PM)
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bbc_wtc7_videos.html

thornhappy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 6:22:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Not at all. I seem to recall that rfids can be as small as a grain of rice. They have their own particular frequency and their own radio antenna to receive and send information. So all that is required is a lump of thermite, a strip of magnesium, a rfid and somewhere else a computer and a radio transmitter. The RFID tag would not be able to pick up a signal outside the tower, or between floors. They have a limited operating range. They also would require and interface circuit and power supply to light the magnesium (no RFID tag can generate that much current.)

Thadius -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 6:23:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Not at all. I seem to recall that rfids can be as small as a grain of rice. They have their own particular frequency and their own radio antenna to receive and send information. So all that is required is a lump of thermite, a strip of magnesium, a rfid and somewhere else a computer and a radio transmitter. The RFID tag would not be able to pick up a signal outside the tower, or between floors. They have a limited operating range. They also would require and interface circuit and power supply to light the magnesium (no RFID tag can generate that much current.) Unless you use an extremely powerful transmitter, but that is obviously not the case as there would have been reports of such a powerful signal.

thornhappy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 6:27:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule A couple of purported eye-witnesses I have challenged and in EVERY case they refused to provide pertinent information. .... The fires were brief. Fire fighters at location said that they would need merely two hoses to put them out. The black smoke indicated temperatures of 230 degrees Celsius if I recall correctly - a common office fire. This part of the collapse hypothesis I did investigate. I deemed it not credible. Exactly what info were you trying to get? If a complete stranger came up to me and challenged my account, or wanted names, locations, etc., I'd tell them to pound sand. The fires burned right through the collapse and for about a week after (the wreckage was smoldering for a long time). Post-collapse review of video showed that there was no way to put out that fire, there was just too much square footage involved. Instead they recommend concentrating on evacuation if this happens to any other high rises. The sprinkler system was down due to damage in the core; I bet the standpipes were too.

thornhappy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/15/2010 6:34:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail http://wtc.nist.gov/ Unfortunately, Rule, RealOne, and pahunk don't believe those reports - they are part of the government conspiracy, don'cha know? I know what I saw. I saw building 7- free fall in implosion- when it was not hit by any plane what so ever. I know what I heard. Larry Silverstein, said "pull it". show me the 23 pages that were blacked out. Maybe you should get over your obsession with "23 pages" nd read the analyses, like the one I sent you yesterday. (The pages involve sources and methods and generally that kind of stuff is classified. They must've classified entire pages instead of redacting small portions). Here's some additional info: Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff). The reasons are as follows: 1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse. 2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7. 3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels. 4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them. For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed. Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit. Regards, Dan Nigro Chief of Department FDNY (retired) You can find an analysis of the thermite required to cut the beams on the same web site. It's a huge amount.

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