RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Polls and Other Random Stupidity



Message


thornhappy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:07:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
main engine

no it aint this is the rear view you can see the fan below the tailpipe almost touching the floor.


Those step ladders really help put it into perspective dont they :)




See this illustration for the relative size of the disc/blade assemblies.




thornhappy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:08:51 PM)

Those so-called "perimeter explosions" are produced by the compression of the air caused by the floor collapsing, which has been explained in many publications.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Jesus Christ hunk, I can't believe how clueless you are on this.  You really don't care what the firefighters say?  They're all in on the conspiracy then?

I've also told you before that the redacted portion of that report was sources and methods of intelligence gathering, which is routinely classified.  And classified material is exempt from FOIAs.


they said there were perimeter explosions just like you see in all the pics.  Well if you understand what one even looks like.





thornhappy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:10:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rachel529

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy


Titanium.  The discs are titanium.

The nose had the whole damn plane behind it, why wouldn't it?  With that much kinetic energy, it's gonna punch a nice clean hole through the wall.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--_RGM4Abv8 for what happens when a jet hits a wall at high speed.


that jet didnt go through the wall.  all that kinetic energy... hmmm.  and the nose crumpled like tinfoil which is what they do.  the 'hardest' part of a jetliner is the engine housings, which have to contain the pressures from the engine working, and not the nose, which just has to be aerodynamic.


The hardest parts of an engine are the disks.




Rule -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:15:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy
Those so-called "perimeter explosions" are produced by the compression of the air caused by the floor collapsing

That may be true, but it does not explain how the towers collapsed. There were no planes.

Also I previously asked whether anyone had ever successfully opposed the assertion that the towers did not have a pancake collapse, but a free-fall collapse. So far I have gotten no answer to that question from any of the knowledgeable participants in this tread.




rachel529 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:16:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

The hardest parts of an engine are the disks.



and they showed one undersized disk, which didn't penetrate the wall but the nose did?  like, shouldn't there have been two big engine holes and a splat where the body hit? either that or no hole at all- like the fighter in the youtube vid




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:18:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
main engine

no it aint this is the rear view you can see the fan below the tailpipe almost touching the floor.


Those step ladders really help put it into perspective dont they :)




See this illustration for the relative size of the disc/blade assemblies.



Seems to me boeing told me it was 22 - 24 inches.

Then I realized that a couple engine parts, and a wheel and a tire and a couple chunks of skin a plane does not make.

All that engine crap is nothing more than a red herring.






Rule -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:19:49 PM)

My conclusion was that the Pentagon hole was caused by an explosive. Perhaps that section was renovated merely in order to emplace the required explosive.




Thadius -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:25:12 PM)

Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:46:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?


Well operation northwoods pretty much scripted out the plan they intended to use.  Fortunately they did not carry out the part of shooting people on the street.   It pretty much laid out what the government would not hesitate to do did it not?


Operation Northwoods
US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR
From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and following.
Scanned and edited by NY Transfer News.
...In [Joint Chief's chair] Lemnitzer's view, the country would be far better off if the generals could take over. [JFK assassination legend has it some general presided over the fudgy JFK autopsy. --Mk]For those military officers who were sitting on the fence, the Kennedy administration's botched Bay of Pigs invasion was the last straw. "The Bay of Pigs fiasco broke the dike," said one report at the time. "President Kennedy was pilloried by the super patriots as a 'no-win' chief . . . The Far Right became a fount of proposals born of frustration and put forward in the name of anti-Communism. . . Active-duty commanders played host to anti-Communist seminars on their bases and attended or addressed Right-wing meetings elsewhere." Although no one in Congress could have known it at the time, Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge. According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.
Operation Northwoods
Click images for full sized scans
[image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods1_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods2_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods3_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods4_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods5_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods6_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods7_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods8_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods9_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods10_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods11_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods12_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods13_small.gif[/image] [image]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/northwoods14_small.gif[/image]




Pedestrian -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:47:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

quote:

ORIGINAL: rachel529

i usually bite my tongue on this topic, as no one convinces anyone of anything.  but my two cents :D

where we should focus our attention is on the pentagon hit.  when asked about the lack of wreckage we were told that the flames burnt so hot it vaporised the plane.  but-   kerosene can not burn hot enough to melt aircraft aluminum.  it is incapable of burning that hot.  so there is some sort of coverup.  cant argue with that.  as to what is being covered up?  we will never know


Well seeing as a Boeing 757 is made of light weight materials (including aluminum alloys and epoxy composites), one could reasonably assume that the fire created by the jet fuel (which burns at temps between 800 and 1500 degrees F), would be hot enough to vaporize most of the plane.

But who am I to try and debunk the truthers, at least this keeps em busy and typically in one place. [;)]

I have never posted here before but have been reading this one. I agree with those that feel as if there is extreme reasonable doubt as to whether 9/11 came off just as we were told. But, I know a few things about mechanics and have been researching 9/11 myself as much as I can now and over the last couple of years. I am begining to get real pissed-off and mostly at the govt. secrecy surrounding this attack.

So from what I saw on 9/11 on TV through the following years and putting a few things together I have come to the conclusion that the admin. story is about the wildest conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

For example on the subject of these aircraft. I, looking at science and recorded TV since, try what one might call comparative reasoning. Let's compare results.

BTW, not that we are really seeking the truth but those planes' structures are made of titanium and steel, the engines 6 tons each and trust me, they do not vaporize on contact.

It has never ceased during my reading, to amaze me how I am being asked  to believe that these planes can all burn so, so hot and to do all of that damage to the WTC, even bringing down a building one didn't hit, yet do not burn themselves up.

Am I being asked to believe that they burn what 800-1500 degrees maybe even hotter as an operating temp. but what, 3500 degrees when it hits something ? How ? Why ? I don't.

I am being asked to believe that two jets, each bringing down more steel than an aircraft carrier, while others leave only a small hole in the Pentagon and not even scorching the ground in PA. I don't.

Am I being asked to believe that a rookie (somebody kicked out of flight school for incompetence) did not only a majestic 270 degree turn but defied the laws of aerodynamics flying this jet airliner 400-500 mph only a few feet off the ground ? I don't.

So I have come to a new conclusion, if a commercial jet airliner hit the pentagon or crashed in the dirt pit in Pa. that I saw on TV where the Somerset Co., Pa. coroner did his interview, and almost but not entirely vaporized on contact, then I am the fucking queen of Egypt.





rachel529 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:48:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?


all i know is the pentagon thing made no sense to me.  even with thornhappys link i still dont see how a 757 can fly 550mph at sea level into a hardened building making a huge hole through 3 layers of reinforced concrete, vaporizing the plane but for a tiny amount of wreckage.  i dont know about the rest :D  i just know the government lied(as governments do from time to time)




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 8:59:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pedestrian
I have never posted here before but have been reading this one. I agree with those that feel as if there is extreme reasonable doubt as to whether 9/11 came off just as we were told. But, I know a few things about mechanics and have been researching 9/11 myself as much as I can now and over the last couple of years. I am begining to get real pissed-off and mostly at the govt. secrecy surrounding this attack.

So from what I saw on 9/11 on TV through the following years and putting a few things together I have come to the conclusion that the admin. story is about the wildest conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

For example on the subject of these aircraft. I, looking at science and recorded TV since, try what one might call comparative reasoning. Let's compare results.

BTW, not that we are really seeking the truth but those planes' structures are made of titanium and steel, the engines 6 tons each and trust me, they do not vaporize on contact.

It has never ceased during my reading, to amaze me how I am being asked  to believe that these planes can all burn so, so hot and to do all of that damage to the WTC, even bringing down a building one didn't hit, yet do not burn themselves up.

Am I being asked to believe that they burn what 800-1500 degrees maybe even hotter as an operating temp. but what, 3500 degrees when it hits something ? How ? Why ? I don't.

I am being asked to believe that two jets, each bringing down more steel than an aircraft carrier, while others leave only a small hole in the Pentagon and not even scorching the ground in PA. I don't.

Am I being asked to believe that a rookie (somebody kicked out of flight school for incompetence) did not only a majestic 270 degree turn but defied the laws of aerodynamics flying this jet airliner 400-500 mph only a few feet off the ground ? I don't.

So I have come to a new conclusion, if a commercial jet airliner hit the pentagon or crashed in the dirt pit in Pa. that I saw on TV where the Somerset Co., Pa. coroner did his interview, and almost but not entirely vaporized on contact, then I am the fucking queen of Egypt.





you will ove this guy....

He does tower experiments.  At the end he tells what the columns are constructed of....   great watch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caATBZEKL4c


I guess it helps to put the link up huh LOL

oh shit I guess he doesnt.

the column is paper, just enough to support the structure.  So he made a bunch of paper rings with steel washers on top of each paper ring.   great video to show haw retarded people are now days when they call 911 a "collapse"..




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 9:08:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rachel529

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?


all i know is the pentagon thing made no sense to me.  even with thornhappys link i still dont see how a 757 can fly 550mph at sea level into a hardened building making a huge hole through 3 layers of reinforced concrete, vaporizing the plane but for a tiny amount of wreckage.  i dont know about the rest :D  i just know the government lied(as governments do from time to time)



notice the windows are not even broke where the tail should have been adn the left wing would have taken out the windows on that side and again there they are intact.  Then there is that column on the left side.  Hmm.....


[image]local://upfiles/59055/693E79BF42E04EA5AEA1D630180EAFC7.jpg[/image]




MrRodgers -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 9:22:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?

Once off transponder the planes in NY were essentially lost as for ident. But we did find them again hitting the WTC. The 'planes' headed for the Pent.,or Pa. or sites 'unknown' were only blips on the radar until lost completely, with the exception of only the approach of the whatever hit the pentagon.

The one allegedly in Pa. allegedly picked up by the AF was then according to Rumsfeld on 9/11...shot down. That is until THE man next to the pres. with the authority to shoot down a civilian airliner, changed his story the next day to it having been crash landed in Pa.

But it was easy after that the plane in Pa. could have been shot down or ditched over the water while there was no plane that hit the pentagon. If one needs to find a plane once off radar, well...good luck.

You want info. on the passengers ? How about a single Arab sirname on any passenger list ? I never saw them.




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 9:51:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?

Once off transponder the planes in NY were essentially lost as for ident. But we did find them again hitting the WTC. The 'planes' headed for the Pent.,or Pa. or sites 'unknown' were only blips on the radar until lost completely, with the exception of only the approach of the whatever hit the pentagon.

The one allegedly in Pa. allegedly picked up by the AF was then according to Rumsfeld on 9/11...shot down. That is until THE man next to the pres. with the authority to shoot down a civilian airliner, changed his story the next day to it having been crash landed in Pa.

But it was easy after that the plane in Pa. could have been shot down or ditched over the water while there was no plane that hit the pentagon. If one needs to find a plane once off radar, well...good luck.

You want info. on the passengers ? How about a single Arab sirname on any passenger list ? I never saw them.




Hmmm got defeningly quiet in here for some reason.




MrRodgers -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/16/2010 10:19:19 PM)

quote:

Operation Northwoods
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Okay, let's make believe that I believe that all of the buildings that were destroyed were because of a planned conspiracy using explosives, and further that the secret has been kept by those that planted and detonated those explosives.

What happened to the actual planes and passengers that were on those planes? Were the flights faked? The passengers now in witness protection?


Well operation northwoods pretty much scripted out the plan they intended to use.  Fortunately they did not carry out the part of shooting people on the street.   It pretty much laid out what the government would not hesitate to do did it not?


Operation Northwoods
US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR


Great post and sends chills up my spine to actually read such a plan in print. This is especially given the fact that all of those countless 'conspirators' that 'couldn't speak up.'




subrob1967 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 6:05:19 AM)

You guys honestly believe the group that pulled this off, couldn't find a way to plant WMD's in Iraq for Bush?




pahunkboy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 6:14:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Jesus Christ hunk, I can't believe how clueless you are on this.  You really don't care what the firefighters say?  They're all in on the conspiracy then?

I've also told you before that the redacted portion of that report was sources and methods of intelligence gathering, which is routinely classified.  And classified material is exempt from FOIAs.

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

I've lost track of the number of times I sent you the report on WTC 7.  It had major structural damage from the debris (2 holes each 10 stories long), and had multiple fires burning.  I even had the quotes from the fire chief at the scene, who decried all the conspiracy theories.

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

What has that to do with the Illuminati?  And if government's so incompetent, how could they have carried off a fake 9/11.  You can't have it both ways.

Speaking of Illuminati and the PTB, where are they telling about another 9/11?  What papers, TV, radio, etc.?



Here is my position.

7 was imploded.

while  1 and 2 seem odd- I stop short of saying the govt did that.

but 7 was taken down.







7 was imploded.  I don't need a report to know what I saw and heard.

-- as long as you are celebrating reports- get a FOIA done to the 23 pages that were blacked out of the 9-11 report.

and reverse the insurance fraud payment that went out  from AIG to Silverstein.





7 was IMPLODED.  Silverstein collected 2x.

I know what I seen and heard.

I swear on my fathers grave that 7 was imploded.   No plane what so ever hit- 7 yet- it fell and free fall.  The only building in NY to do so.  




Moonhead -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 6:22:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

You guys honestly believe the group that pulled this off, couldn't find a way to plant WMD's in Iraq for Bush?

A good point, well made.




mnottertail -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 6:22:40 AM)

look, tard, the massive debris from the wtcs fell on 7 and it had fire burning in it for 7 hours.

and look at any fucking ignorant video out there from even the whackos sites, it did not implode, explode or deplode or replode or complode or displode or dickplode or fuckplode, it fell straight the fuck down. Pancaked.




Page: <<   < prev  15 16 [17] 18 19   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875