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flcouple2009 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 4:28:54 PM)

Your answer is right there in your title.  If any of this was remotely true there would be no way to keep it quite with the number of people involved.  



Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 4:32:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Your answer is right there in your title.  If any of this was remotely true there would be no way to keep it quite with the number of people involved.  



So in your best judgment on the matter is it being kept quiet?







AquaticSub -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 4:35:04 PM)

Actually it's a very valid point in regards to secrets. The more people who know them, the harder it is to keep quiet. All conspiracy theories work better when they use dead people who died mysteriously.



thornhappy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 5:26:29 PM)

It's kind of like witchfinding.  If you find one it's evidence that there really are witches.  If you don't, it's because the witches are real, yet wily and escaping our detection abilities.



subfever -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 7:28:12 PM)

Ah... gotta love this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryLsN6vnE3Y&playnext=3&p=1580CD80DD4A25AD&index=3&feature=PlayList&playnext_from=PL&ytsession=1cK4wPjSE5a2ge5HsXSjymu5vVKLNn8e09N_ctwulzBqA8B6ouj-sGHb7gWT6fVPJQpiaCfaLw9AuVGULiqQ4Y49hJGLi8mg5fuQ5ZuZVK1tTvRUmewDZfRprMehVQqnM2laK2vTy8FmUiLNcH7mFRC4fajIc5Xzki0SxF6EI-uOyZvA9U6cO3qaFKzFKhXFzD-f-O-k2B4JrnRF1stt0HnFDwJ1SCrqRsmZawQrHpUav8LFLm9roM8GEFzPY5LBk2hlMzvGPcEzGqC1tXX62ZeoNKZU4vbxLYuFNJnSLMzJwjBYB-ZdhhiXb_GaQ_mY7tC_YUqb6HEUgZIqDXbjCfu-mJUEiHfSgoOjAnH2v73abmvOvkm9mP4irp4PFIR4SPwki1F2UFAOQYrJTAO0pcNTyweiLPhc-b7J_ZpZisEU4y8_OKjIFCwV49lwsuye



Marc2b -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 7:34:17 PM)

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Actually it's a very valid point in regards to secrets. The more people who know them, the harder it is to keep quiet.


Bingo!

The more people alleged to be involved in a conspiricy, the less likely the conspiricy actually exists.



thornhappy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 7:50:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Love the 'why did it fall at the speed of gravity' quote.

...especially since gravity is acceleration, not velocity.



Termyn8or -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 9:19:03 PM)

Geez Real. No video, no jumpthrough, I did not read any replies.

Since about 1966 buildings have been built for demolishion after their life cycle. Some may have some incidiaries placed at critical locations to facilitate an orderly demolishion. So what. When you build a forty story building in a place like NYC, you can't just let it crumble down and fall anywhere it damnwell pleases.

Even if it is not incindiary devices it could be built in weak spots, which are only revealed upon careful inspection of the blueprints. Licensed large scale demolitonists are privy to this information and they frequently run a video of a major demolition project and put it on the news. They are licensed to use dynamite or another explosive to fulfill their contract. Get rid of this building with the minimum of collateral damage.

Nobody EVER said that there were no destructive devices built in. Nobody also said that there are predetermined weak spots even in smaller buildings. I would almost bet that it is built into the building code for example pertaining to a skyscraper in NYC, that an orderly demolition must be provided for.

Real, I stand with you, but I must callem as I seeum. In my judgement, even if everything said is true, it does not constitute hard evidence of a conspiracy.

What does raise questions is the picture (and video I have) of the seeming two small projectiles hitting aforehand. But then that could've been those RC model planes being flown by the Isreali "students" cheering from the roof of a nearby building. Or didn't you know about that ? They were all deported, public record. I'm sure it's googleable.

Another thing that raises questions is that EVERY time any big boom occurs the feds take over, and the locals get to know nothing. The evidence which would take a year to get rid of by a normal contractor is whisked away in a matter of hours. Yet it takes NORAD how long to issue a scramble order ? I mean in some cities it takes longer to get a "license" to throw out an old refrigerator !

And it happens EVERY TIME. Reports come out months or years later when it is no longer fresh in peoples' minds. This is too much constance to be coincidence at this point.

BTW Real, guess what's coming up. The anniversary of the JFK shooting. This will open the door to much FOIA activity.

And fifty years from now we might know the truth about 911.

T



AnimusRex -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 10:09:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Nobody EVER said that there were no destructive devices built in. Nobody also said that there are predetermined weak spots even in smaller buildings. I would almost bet that it is built into the building code for example pertaining to a skyscraper in NYC, that an orderly demolition must be provided for.


Uh, no. There are no "predetermined weak spots" in buildings. The building code doesn't mandate that buildings be built with demolition in mind.

The public somehow has gotten it into their heads that all buildings have magic secret weak spots, that can be exploited to bring them down, like a Vulcan death pinch or something.

But does anyone here have any idea how many people reviewed the plans for the WTC? There were, and are, literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of people who each had copies of all the drawings- dozens of architects, engineers, contractors, subcontractors, vendors, public agencies. Copies of the drawings are probably still floating around in people's offices, held as souvenirs, even before 9-11.
Not to mention the army of trade workers who did the erection, welding, and enclosure. I have yet to hear of a satisfactory theory that would propose how explosives were installed, and somehow nobody noticed.

But I guess thats the underlying problem here, isn't it? One side contends the world operates from logic and rational thought, the other side sees the world working on a plane of magic and secret knowledge, that only they have access to.



EbonyWood -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 10:19:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Nobody EVER said that there were no destructive devices built in. Nobody also said that there are predetermined weak spots even in smaller buildings. I would almost bet that it is built into the building code for example pertaining to a skyscraper in NYC, that an orderly demolition must be provided for.


Uh, no. There are no "predetermined weak spots" in buildings. The building code doesn't mandate that buildings be built with demolition in mind.

The public somehow has gotten it into their heads that all buildings have magic secret weak spots, that can be exploited to bring them down,


They got the idea from this guy.
 
 

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Termyn8or -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/13/2010 10:39:39 PM)

"Uh, no."

My buddy was a union bricklayer working on the new federal reserve building here in Cleveland. He was in Local #5 and they were almost done with their part of the contract. Everyone in the union was told to take three days off, and when they came back to work there was more bricklaying done. They subsequently finished their job and moved on of course. But if they were the bricklayers why did someone else come in and do "some" of the bricklaying ?

OK, I know the guy, he could tell you himself, but that is still not proof. However the question of why still remains. If you take what I said as gospel, it still does not prove that there are.

But, it is quite easy to omit certain details on blueprints. People do it all day long. They build houses with secret bunkers or pot grow rooms or whatever in a subbasement and get away with it all the time.

I admit that what I said does not prove it, but what you said does not disprove it.

But then I ask this. If there are not weak spots built into such structures at least, why are these expert demolitionists able to find them ?

T



Politesub53 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/14/2010 4:12:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


5 - 7 minutes + in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWNulLbeaiM&feature=PlayList&p=1580CD80DD4A25AD


I loved this bit.

Larry King....." Whats the truth ? "
Jesse Ventura...." I Dont know "




flcouple2009 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/14/2010 4:47:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Uh, no."

My buddy was a union bricklayer working on the new federal reserve building here in Cleveland. He was in Local #5 and they were almost done with their part of the contract. Everyone in the union was told to take three days off, and when they came back to work there was more bricklaying done. They subsequently finished their job and moved on of course. But if they were the bricklayers why did someone else come in and do "some" of the bricklaying ?

OK, I know the guy, he could tell you himself, but that is still not proof. However the question of why still remains. If you take what I said as gospel, it still does not prove that there are.

But, it is quite easy to omit certain details on blueprints. People do it all day long. They build houses with secret bunkers or pot grow rooms or whatever in a subbasement and get away with it all the time.

I admit that what I said does not prove it, but what you said does not disprove it.

But then I ask this. If there are not weak spots built into such structures at least, why are these expert demolitionists able to find them ?

T


Uhmmm,  because it is the Federal Reserve.  There are certain areas that the government crews are going to do the work.  No one who does not have clearance is allowed.  I had a friend who was running a crew laying a pipe line, same thing.  They had to cross a communications cable that belonged to the Government.  They could only get to within a certain distance and then the Government brought in their own crew who took over the work until the pipe line was run an equal distance on the other side of the cable.  It's called security.

Demolition experts don't find weak spots built into the building.  They place the charges in away that controls the blast how they wish.  It is a skill, one they get highly paid for.



pahunkboy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/14/2010 7:31:18 AM)

then there is 1 billion $ in gold that left the WTC never to be found.

in case you wonder the USA owns a mere 300 billion $ worth of gold.   Tarp was 850 $ billion=-  which means we gave our gold away to the banks... and then some.

7 was imploded.    I am 1000% sure of that.

Sunlight is best disinfectant.



Musicmystery -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/14/2010 7:49:28 AM)

Or when the OP is consistently an idiot.



AnimusRex -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/14/2010 8:46:27 AM)

Well, who am I to contradict your buddy?
But look- don't take my word for it- go to the phone book and call any one of the structural engineers listed. Ask them if there are hidden secret weak spots in buildings. Once he stops laughing, he will tell you pretty much what I did.

Also, call your local building department. Almost all of them keep building plans stored on microfilm. Usually any citizen has a right to go down and view them (not make copies, since they are copyrighted). Which means you can look at the plans and schematics of nearly any large building you wish.

There are tv shows on building demolition- Discovery Channel I think- that show, slowly and step by step, how demolition teams blow up buildings, Its cool to watch, and will dispel any such notions as secret magical Weak Spots. Unless the Secret Magical Spot is at Platform 8-3/4 where the entrance to Hogwart's Express is.

There are no secrets, man, There are no hidden trap doors, there are no Old Houses of Europe, there are no secret ways to get rich without trying.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/14/2010 8:47:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

then there is 1 billion $ in gold that left the WTC never to be found.

in case you wonder the USA owns a mere 300 billion $ worth of gold.   Tarp was 850 $ billion=-  which means we gave our gold away to the banks... and then some.

7 was imploded.    I am 1000% sure of that.

Sunlight is best disinfectant.




more bullshit.

the gold that was missing then wasnt then was (but far less)

And Im 100% sure that you dont have a clue about "7"



pahunkboy -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/14/2010 9:54:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

then there is 1 billion $ in gold that left the WTC never to be found.

in case you wonder the USA owns a mere 300 billion $ worth of gold.   Tarp was 850 $ billion=-  which means we gave our gold away to the banks... and then some.

7 was imploded.    I am 1000% sure of that.

Sunlight is best disinfectant.




more bullshit.

the gold that was missing then wasnt then was (but far less)

And Im 100% sure that you dont have a clue about "7"



hahaha.

Like YOU would know.

Fort knox has not been audited since 1954. 


/ as to 7,..  too bad you weren't in it- with MM--


lies abhor the sunlight of day which is the best disinfectant.

transparency- disclosure, checks and balances.   should replace the past 10 years of rewarding incompetence.

But hey- don't worry- another terrorism attract is planned this year.  You can count on it.





Termyn8or -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/14/2010 10:15:38 AM)

OK AR, there are no secrets, oh except for what is in the federal reserve building, which you know ONLY to be a communication cable ? 

It's really hard to "moderate" when some people think aliens control their TV and others would not see a conspiracy when sixteen guys enter the elevator and find that honey took his gun. (ala Alez Harvey - Hot City Symphony)

In other words, there is a certain level of skepticism required to understand certain things. We each believe that we are in the proper niche. But what I said still stands.

While I can't prove it, you can't disprove it.

Even the blueprints. Details can and are omitted on purpose. The only proof either way is to take a hammer and chisel and find out. This is not likely to be allowed at a government building. They win and we bandy the topic back and forth.

One question though. These demolitionists are highly trained right ? Well how's come some Arab terrorists can accomplish the same thing running planes into a building ? Why did it not fall over, causing a hell of alot more damage ? How's come it fell pretty much on top of itself ?

Perhaps we should ask said demolition experts, oh wait, somebody did. Loyal Americans dismissed their suspicion despite the special training. And those seismologists with the raw data from when the Murrah building got blown up are dead wrong as well. Something must've gone wrong with the machine right ? I think it's one hell of a bomb that can explode twice.

I try very hard not to fall into conspiracy theories, but there is just too much anymore to ignore. Everything is secret, everything is hidden. No valid explanation is offered. They don't answer certain questions. It is not just 911, it is all the time.

I would love to be able to trust these established sources and experts. It is they who planted the doubt, not me. Why ? It's bad for PR, it's bad for them actually. So why do they do it all the time ?

It takes them weeks to build a forty foot section of road, but they apparently have the ability to rebuild the world in a day or two. How is that possible ?

T



subrob1967 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/14/2010 10:15:54 AM)

I heard that the same guys that blew up the WTC are the guys hiding Obama's Kenyan birth certificate, and school transcripts.[8|]



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