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Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 9:35:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I did not comment on the relevance of the link. I merely commented that it was very visual.



right.  we can rip it apart but it does what was intended for people who have little to no physics background





mnottertail -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 9:36:33 AM)

Rule, I did not and do not intend to impute any extra meaning to your comment regarding visual. Sorry for and discomboobilation it might have caused.

Ron




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 9:40:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
He has done many tower experiments and just to prove a point made a tower with paper columns that has large steel washers as the floors.  The paper columns were made just strong enough to support the steel washers.

Look what happens!  Real physics at work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caATBZEKL4c

[:)] Very visual.




and shows a pancake perfectly, but not so very much to do with the wtc.



NO to the contrary is shows antipancake.

It demonstrates conservation of energy and the arrest of a pancake collapse after only what was it 5 to 6 floors even though the impact distance was ridiculously as in many times larger than that of the upper floors of the wtc.

using PAPER for columns!   Thats hilarious frankly.










Rule -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 9:40:34 AM)

That is okay. No worries.




mnottertail -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 9:42:18 AM)

floors were not steel washers, and the columns were not paper, and there was no fire, wind sway or airplanes in the video.

And the scale is incorrect, and further, if each piece of paper can hold one and only washer, two washers BY DEFINITION would drop the next level and the next level and so on, so it is a patent lie, altogether.

so, it shows as much as the difficulty of burning a phonebook, essentially nothing to do with the collapse.





Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 9:46:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

floors were not steel washers, and the columns were not paper, and there was no fire, wind sway or airplanes in the video.

so, it shows as much as the difficulty of burning a phonebook, essentially nothing to do with the collapse.





I am sorry ron but no one is going build 100 WTC towers so we can do every comparative gyration it would take to show you what you cannot conceive when the proper solution is simply for you to attend a tech school physics class to get a grip on the properties involved here.

That and you really ought make up your mind.  Claiming it pancaked then claiming a demonstration showing what bullshit that is only for you to claim a pancake demonstration has nothing to do with your pancake claim is well fucking short a bag of marbles.

You see Rule how do you deal with this level of tardation and not call it what it is.







mnottertail -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 9:47:05 AM)

I have edited my post when you were posting, to be fair to you.




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 9:57:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I have edited my post when you were posting, to be fair to you.


And the scale is incorrect, and further, if each piece of paper can hold one and only washer, two washers BY DEFINITION would drop the next level and the next level and so on, so it is a patent lie, altogether.

See that is why I said you need to take a physics class.  Seriously.  I said the paper was just strong enough to support washers plural meaning the structure NOT ONE washer.

You are correct its not done to scale.  The wtc was built with 5 times redundancy  and this one was built so it could just support its own weight.


so, it shows as much as the difficulty of burning a phonebook, essentially nothing to do with the collapse.



Ron the point is that it does not change the principles invovled.

well the claim that you can burn a fucking body in a pit is completely laughable and failure to recognize it well sorta speaks for itself.




Rule -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 9:57:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
I am sorry ron but no one is going build 100 WTC towers so we can do every comparative gyration it would take to show you what you cannot conceive when the proper solution is simply for you to attend a tech school physics class to get a grip on the properties involved here.

That is nicely said.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Claiming it pancaked then claiming a demonstration showing what bullshit that is only for you to claim a pancake demonstration has nothing to do with your pancake claim is well fucking short a bag of marbles.

You see Rule how do you deal with this level of tardation and not call it what it is.

Preferably while not using the words that I made bold in the above quote.




mnottertail -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:05:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I have edited my post when you were posting, to be fair to you.


And the scale is incorrect, and further, if each piece of paper can hold one and only washer, two washers BY DEFINITION would drop the next level and the next level and so on, so it is a patent lie, altogether.

See that is why I said you need to take a physics class.  Seriously.  I said the paper was just strong enough to support the structure NOT one washer.

You are correct its not done to scale.  The wtc was built with 5 times redundancy  and this one was built so it could just support its own weight.


so, it shows as much as the difficulty of burning a phonebook, essentially nothing to do with the collapse.



Ron the point is that it does not change the principles invovled.

well the claim that you can burn a fucking body in a pit is completely laughable and failure to recognize it well sorta speaks for itself.





so each paper can hold the entire structure by definitinon, and that is not the case with each girder, furthermore, in scale the paper is around what, 75 percent of the perimeter of the centre? not a central core at all.

And what the fuck do burning bodies have to do with the physics of a collapse?

And whether you scoff or not is of no concern, you are a fucking whack job, and the fact is that bodies can burn in a pit, regardless of telephone books,

Did you know that pure sodium will burn in water, and in fact explode? Relate that to something doing with the collapse of the World Trade Towers, it has as much commerce as washers and paper not to scale and no equivalent conditions, so yeah, it proved that you can construct a structure of washers and paper in such a way that it cannot completely collapse, so fuckin what?




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:20:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I have edited my post when you were posting, to be fair to you.


And the scale is incorrect, and further, if each piece of paper can hold one and only washer, two washers BY DEFINITION would drop the next level and the next level and so on, so it is a patent lie, altogether.

See that is why I said you need to take a physics class.  Seriously.  I said the paper was just strong enough to support the structure NOT one washer.

You are correct its not done to scale.  The wtc was built with 5 times redundancy  and this one was built so it could just support its own weight.


so, it shows as much as the difficulty of burning a phonebook, essentially nothing to do with the collapse.



Ron the point is that it does not change the principles invovled.

well the claim that you can burn a fucking body in a pit is completely laughable and failure to recognize it well sorta speaks for itself.





so each paper can hold the entire structure by definitinon, and that is not the case with each girder,

It does not change the fact that the wtc was built with 5 times redundancy ron.

Its does not change the fact that in wtc 2 the alleged plane completely missed the core and all there was, was a hole on the south side of the building and if you think that can bring it down I cant wait to hear your story.

Again it proves the concept.


furthermore, in scale the paper is around what, 75 percent of the perimeter of the centre? not a central core at all.

Ok so the core was 60% and 5 times redundant.

[image]local://upfiles/59055/ABF51964CEF9411A9CA39301793462E3.jpg[/image]

completely moot point that again does not change the principles involved nor invalidate the experiment.


And what the fuck do burning bodies have to do with the physics of a collapse?

I dont know you are the one who brought it up.


And whether you scoff or not is of no concern, you are a fucking whack job, and the fact is that bodies can burn in a pit, regardless of telephone books,

really?  I cant wait to see you support that little wet dream with something beyond your opinion in error.


Did you know that pure sodium will burn in water, and in fact explode? Relate that to something doing with the collapse of the World Trade Towers, it has as much commerce as washers and paper not to scale and no equivalent conditions, so yeah, it proved that you can construct a structure of washers and paper in such a way that it cannot completely collapse, so fuckin what?


it shows a principle in physics generally known as a law of physics that was defied on that day.  The only way once again that you could relate to this is if you take a physics course.

yeh at about 42 mhz you can really get the shit to go up :)  but I have no idea how that pertains on any level to this.



I will help you.

The problem you have ron is you have to show how the vertical core failed in 3 buildings.

Now since in wtc2 in which the core was missed (that means little if any damage) from the alleged planes it was able to perform to full yield strength.

That said even if you cut every floor mount around the perimeter and to the core the core would have been left standing and the floors would be on the ground.

Now there is no "reasonable" explanation for this unless you want to venture out into voodoo physics but take your best shot at it anyway.

Thats for starters.





mnottertail -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:29:24 AM)

what do those fuzzy pictures purport to show?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/12/da_robbery_moti.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21631718/detail.html

here is a couple modern american cities, still in on the conspiracy, keeping it alive.




Thadius -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:39:17 AM)

Hmmm... so in terms of physics did the building collapse or did the rest of the earth move to the top of the building's previously known location? Or better yet, you have convinced me, it was the buildings that flew into the airplanes.[8|]




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:42:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

what do those fuzzy pictures purport to show?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/12/da_robbery_moti.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21631718/detail.html

here is a couple modern american cities, still in on the conspiracy, keeping it alive.



oh for shit sake.

ron a charred body is NOT a burned body in the context we were using it.

Whats up with you and polite sub eh?   When you get our asses kicked you think you can just move the fucking goal posts and it will all go away.

There is no point in building a fucking crematory if you can just toss em into a pit and reduce them a quart jar of ashes.

The point being made in the holocaust is that the bodies were gotten rid of by burning in a pit and turning the skin black is not getting rid of by cremation.

This is a fucking joke and frankly I dont see how you can continue with this charade without a totally RED face.

Nice play on stupid.







SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:43:14 AM)

RealOne has physics books on his shelf so old and untouched that entire eco systems have formed between the pages. Living and breeding on the valleys of paper, eking out a life for themselves and occasionally partaking in the extreme sports of corner trekking. A sport where there is a great risk of slipping form the land of Page 28 into the land of Page 29, never to be seen again.[8|]

-an




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:45:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Hmmm... so in terms of physics did the building collapse or did the rest of the earth move to the top of the building's previously known location? Or better yet, you have convinced me, it was the buildings that flew into the airplanes.[8|]



please dont confuse me with ron and his ilk.






rachel529 -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:48:19 AM)

but like, in both of those articles, there were bodies left-  enough to identify.  so like, the phonebook thing seems to stand.  its hard to get rid of a human body... ask jeffrey dauhmer.  this is a derail :P




Thadius -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:49:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Hmmm... so in terms of physics did the building collapse or did the rest of the earth move to the top of the building's previously known location? Or better yet, you have convinced me, it was the buildings that flew into the airplanes.[8|]



please dont confuse me with ron and his ilk.




No worries, you seem confused enough on your own, I don't need to add to it.




Real0ne -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:49:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

RealOne has physics books on his shelf so old and untouched that entire eco systems have formed between the pages. Living and breeding on the valleys of paper, eking out a life for themselves and occasionally partaking in the extreme sports of corner trekking. A sport where there is a great risk of slipping form the land of Page 28 into the land of Page 29, never to be seen again.[8|]

-an



Its sad that the so called old physics as you put it has taken 100 years to be semi revived.

Its sad much of it was discarded with einstein and now they are finally realizing by their own ignorance or design I do not know which that without it the sciences literally stagnated.






Rule -> RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? (2/17/2010 10:49:29 AM)

Let us not discuss the various world war II genocides in this thread.




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