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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 12:13:41 AM   
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Which is it, why did we see pics of airplane debris alleged to have been from the airliner yet, why did those not vaporize and...all other evidence did ? This includes much unlike the F4, two titanium and steel engines of some 6 tons each.



One wing hits the ground first, and knocks over trees, scatterig debris.

Then the plane hits the building, leaving a sizable hole while the other wing sheers off.

Due to the debris falling and covering up the hole, they needed to check the supports inside to find out how wide the object was, and the results fit.  Much of the evidence was inside the ruins.

I thought this was all pretty much common knowledge and accepted years ago.  It's astounding that people still put any stock in the conspiracy theories...it's as bad as the conspiracy claiming the moon landing was faked.



you got it!  I dont put any stock in conspiracy theories at all!  Zero!  Thats why I stand that dubyas conspiracy theory of 19 hijackers and those who are dumb enough to believe it is franlky nothomg more than complete fabricated bullshit.

Good to see you are on the right side!

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 12:21:12 AM   
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That video only verifies what happens when a much smaller, lighter F4 hits a much harder, thicker (at least 2 feet) reinfoerced concrete wall at a known 500 mph.

It in no way verifies what happens when a 60-100 ton Boeing airliner hits first a brick and block wall obviously un-reinforced, without knocking it down (took 20 minutes to fall) hits a much less reinforced all and failed to break many windows of all things and yet left absolutely no trace of any seats, passengers, dna...just a few parts here and there passed off as airliners parts yet the 9/11 commission says vaporized ?

Which is it, why did we see pics of airplane debris alleged to have been from the airliner yet, why did those not vaporize and...all other evidence did ? This includes much unlike the F4, two titanium and steel engines of some 6 tons each.



agreed!

well the bigporblem the conspiracy loons have is that first the people that walked out of that hole saw NO PLANE PARTS inside or ouside the building.

That was before the fire trucks were on the site et al.

Then there is that really nagging problem that there are no windows broken out where they tail should have hit, nor where that left wing shouldhave hit, but that does not stop them from carrying on wiht the claim of conspiracy thoery about some 19 hijacker bullshit.

Must have been an ultralight 757 since it didnt break any windows!  LOLOLOLOLOLOL  fucking hilarious!

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 12:23:44 AM   
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check out that column ^^^^^ right about there!

Its pointing the wrong way LMAO

Maybe the plane came in from the other side!


aint that a kick ass picture?

BBWWHAHAHAHA 









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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 1:19:41 AM   
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Must have been an ultralight 757 since it didnt break any windows!  LOLOLOLOLOLOL  fucking hilarious!


Actually, for an armored building with blast resistant windows, there's quite a few of them that did break...the ones that didn't break accomplished what they were built for - surviving a blast.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 1:27:41 AM   
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well the bigporblem the conspiracy loons have is that first the people that walked out of that hole saw NO PLANE PARTS inside or ouside the building.


The even bigger problem with your looney theory, is that it's quite obvious from any cursory glance of the damage done to the pentagon would make it clear, anyone who might have exited the building close enough to get a clear look at any plane parts would very likely have been turned to ash.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 1:30:24 AM   
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Why would you believe all other air crashes with airframe destruction, but not these ones?

I know that there were no planes. It took me some time to realize that. I did investigate some or all of the wrong airplane ideas, but eventually I concluded that all of them were false trails and - independently from others (I may have been the first) - that in fact at none of the four sites was an airplane that crashed.

You didn't answer my question.  Where did the plane parts come from?  You know, the engine parts and flight recorders?

You mean the question I made bold in the above quote? I answered that. I will not elaborate on my reasons, other than to state that two of the alleged planes never lifted off and that the other two planes that did take off landed safely elsewhere.

As for the plane parts: I know how they got there, but I will not elaborate on that either.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 1:36:41 AM   
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As for the plane parts: I know how they got there, but I will not elaborate on that either.



No need to elaborate...all the available evidence points to the parts getting there by way of falling off a plane as it crashes into it's target.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 1:44:02 AM   
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I know someone who did not see the plane hit the first building since he was in it at the time but was on the street and saw the plane hit the second building. I've known him for more than a decade and I have absolutely no doubt that he is telling the truth.

Okay.
1. Have him testify about his observation on the internet, using his full proper name, so that his credentials may be investigated.

2. Interrogate him exhaustively on the plane that he asserted he saw crash into the building. What did he see exactly? Where was he when he saw the plane crash into the building? What kind of plane was it?

3. Tell me in a CM-mail everything you know about the guy. I promise as much confidentiality as you desire. (I had another 3, but I have forgotten what it was.)

Why in the world would I want to do any of that?

well the proper way to do it is have him write up a deposition describing exactly what he saw best is to have someone ask him questions, size color dimensions where he was standing time in sight etc etc etc and then have a notary swear him in to the truth in the affidavit and that he is willing to stand under his full commercial liability stating he is willing to testify in front of the grand jury and sign it with a thumbprint.

Now you want something that I am willing to believe, that is the way to do it because if he is lying his ass will be in jail for a very long time.   I have yet to see anyone claiming to see a plane go on the record "FOR REAL".

I'll say it again. Why in the world would I want to do any of that?

not a plane a missile.

In my opinion that is another false trail, pahunkboy. Two towers would require two missiles. I have investigated that option as well and read what was written about it on the internet, but eventually dismissed it. Explosives that were emplaced inside the towers are the more likely option.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 1:46:38 AM   
Rule


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I know someone who did not see the plane hit the first building since he was in it at the time but was on the street and saw the plane hit the second building. I've known him for more than a decade and I have absolutely no doubt that he is telling the truth.

Okay.

1. Have him testify about his observation on the internet, using his full proper name, so that his credentials may be investigated.

2. Interrogate him exhaustively on the plane that he asserted he saw crash into the building. What did he see exactly? Where was he when he saw the plane crash into the building? What kind of plane was it?

3. Tell me in a CM-mail everything you know about the guy. I promise as much confidentiality as you desire. (I had another 3, but I have forgotten what it was.)

Why in the world would I want to do any of that?

So do not. It makes your own statement quoted above null and void.

I know that there were no planes. So either he was lying or you are lying.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 1:49:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		you have to love the "I know, but I can't/won't say" bullshit from certain people on here

"I sorted the cold fusion problem"
"I know how to avoid taxes"
"I know there weren't any planes"
"I know how that got there"

etc. etc. ad nauseum

so - for those in the cheaper seats - PUT UP - OR SHUT THE FUCK UP

the psychological trait of wanting people to think you "know something they don't" is well-recognised. Its all "self-obsessed fuckwittery"

"I won't elaborate on this" - give us a break - you mean "I won't put forward my moronic theories for them to be debunked in < 5 mins"

Bottom line - if the govt wanted to trigger a war with the middle east, they'd have hired some swarthy muthafukkas to blow up the Statue Of Liberty or somesuch national
symbol (even the WTC) - all the while shouting Jihadist slogans on tv/radio to make sure everyone got the message - far easier, far cheaper, far fewer people involved therefore far fewer weak links, far more believable, no need for "holographic missiles" and other fuckhead inventions, no need to bribe/coerce an entire media
community, nothing for online losers to whine about

Occam's razor is on the table - be careful with it, its sharp and your mothers cut your meals up for you as it is!



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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 1:54:24 AM   
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So do not. It makes your own statement quoted above null and void.


No it doesn't.  You holding absurdly ridiculous expectations of people having photographic memories of details of something that happened that fast over 8 years ago makes your statements more null and void than his.

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I know that there were no planes. So either he was lying or you are lying.



I know that there were planes.  So either you are lying or delusional (or both). 

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 2:00:52 AM   
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I knew someone who was in the area (about a mile and a half away IIRC).  Haven't kept in touch with him for years (We just played Everquest together at the time).

He missed the first plane hitting, but after hearing about it, he was standing outside grabbing pictures when the second plane came.  He did show us his photos he'd taken, including photos of the second plane incoming.

So have him put these photo's of the second plane incoming and his testimony about that plane and his full name on the internet. And tell me in a CM-mail everything you know and can dig up about him. I promise whatever level of confidentiality that you desire.

He was a teenager? Perhaps with an inclination to brag about himself? Does he perchance also have blurry pictures of a sea serpent, bigfoot or mothman? He wasn't Tim, was he?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 2:04:38 AM   
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I know that there were planes. 

Oh? And you know this how? Because you saw it on television? Or because a fairy whispered it into one of your ears? Or are you suddenly a new eye-witness?

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 2:37:56 AM   
Rule


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What does "truth" have to do with any of this? Even if I interrogated and grilled my friend, made him produce a sworn affadavit, had him sign  something making him liable, revealed his name and details on the internet - all to convince a batch of nameless strangers on a BDSM board - odds are it still wouldn't be believed because it contradicts your "known facts".

There are lots of people that have seen or heard bigfoot. I merely want to know whether he truly saw a plane or whether he was making it up or whether he was lying and being a false witness as part of the conspiracy to create the illusion that there was a plane.

I do know that there was no plane. I also do know that I concluded about all eye-witnesses that I investigated (mostly at the two other sites) that they were either not credible, that their testimony was vague or inconclusive, or that their testimony was true but indicated something else than asserted. All purported eye-witnesses or hearsay witnesses like yourself that I personally challenged, mostly on CM, immediately shut up.

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Logic, sense, proof, science - none of these matters because somehow an evil conspiracy of government masterminds built massive skyscrapers with bombs in them and then shot them with missiles while killing or kidnapping the passengers of four commercial planes all to fake a terrorist incident and nothing anyone produces will ever prove otherwise.

I am interested only in data and in truth. I have no agenda. I do not care one way or the other. So far you have produced only hearsay. Perhaps you also know people who have seen or heard bigfoot?

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Believe whatever you want to believe. Faith allows no evidence. I believe planes struck the World Trade Center because I know someone who saw one hit and his word is sufficient for me. You don't know him or me so I don't expect you to take his word for it - however, fantasies of hidden thermite bombs and missile attacks are just that - fantasies. 

I do not believe anything. I either know or I do not know. The mere word of someone that you know is not sufficient for me.
I agree with you about the missiles.
I do not know whether there were thermite charges or not.

I do know that there were no planes that crashed.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 3:07:40 AM   
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So far you have produced only hearsay.


It's not as if you've provided anything more.  You've simply given us absolutely no reason whatsoever to not believe what the overwhelming evidence indicates happened...that 2 planes crashed into the WTC, and a 3rd into the Pentagon.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 3:39:42 AM   
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So far you have produced only hearsay.

It's not as if you've provided anything more.  You've simply given us absolutely no reason whatsoever to not believe what the overwhelming evidence indicates happened...that 2 planes crashed into the WTC, and a 3rd into the Pentagon.

What you (want to) believe or not believe is not my business.

I have challenged purported witnesses and hear-say witnesses in this thread and none took up my challenge.

I have said what is not evidence. Photographs and video material are not evidence. Plane parts and other debris are not evidence. Vague or inconclusive testimonies are not evidence.

I have read Heinlein's "Stranger in a strange land" long ago several times. There were qualified witnesses in that book. If one hasn't read it, one ought to.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 3:48:23 AM   
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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 3:51:24 AM   
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Edited to add: That is sufficient authority.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 4:02:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anyways, here's a bit a burden that none of the conspiracy theorists seem to have considered.

Millions of us saw it live on televison when the second airliner hit the tower.  I saw it as it happened, saw the plane, etc.

Now, the conspiracy theorists likely claim that video was faked or whatever.  Since we all saw it happen live though, that means the entire video would have had to have been created well before the incident.

And yet, the destruction in the video matched the photographs, videos, etc after the incident with no discrepencies.

For someone dead set in believing there were no planes, and twisting any evidence in favor of his narrow point of view, the significance of that will probably not be apparent.  But let's just say if by some stretch what we saw on the air live that day was forged, Miss Cleo would have had to have been involved.

It seems far more likely, with everything else we know, that what happened is pretty straightforward...some planes were hijacked and rammed into buildings.

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RE: 911----All those People! Why Hasnt Anyone Talked? - 2/18/2010 4:26:31 AM   
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Its sad that the so called old physics as you put it has taken 100 years to be semi revived.

Its sad much of it was discarded with einstein and now they are finally realizing by their own ignorance or design I do not know which that without it the sciences literally stagnated.

If you are referring to Newton's laws then I must say that the last time I checked they were still being taught in schools. Obviously we could refer to Einstein’s work for academic accuracy but since most of what will deal with doesn't involve anything approaching the speed of light, we can still get by without the complex equations of special relativity.

So no one has revived anything, if that is what you are on about.

What a joke. As if most people would find Einstein's theories more applicable and easy to apply than that of Newton. My experience is that far more people understand the maths involved in Newton's laws than Einstein's theories of relativity. Last time I met a lecturer lecturing on special or general relativity to solve an engineering problem related to buildings...ummm never.


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