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mantis65 -> Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/27/2006 10:32:04 PM)

I found this link posted on another forum

http://colorado.indymedia.org/newswire/display/11834/index.php

Some new documentary linking BDSM to animal cruelty and meat consumption.
This maybe a hoax or something but involves the BDSM site Insex mostly .
vegan and animal rights activists are behind this idea

. The article looks crazy to me and designed to scare the crap out of vanillas and Demonize BDSM.

Anyway any thoughts on this weirdness?  

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As you know Peta has been involved with numerous campaigns worldwide pertaining to the use of leather products in the S&M scene, asking of people to give up their leather and choose more humane materials such as latex and vinyl.



mantis65 -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/27/2006 10:54:39 PM)

nevr mind i found an even wierder more bizzare article by the same person or people if you like word salad freak shows here the othee article its full on psychotic

http://utah.indymedia.org/print.php?id=12019




Slipstreme -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 12:05:05 AM)

As an animal activist and BDSM lifestyler, this is complete and total bullshit. Yes, the leather is a big thing and up until I realized that I can not escape leather, I was on a leather moritorium. I still for the most part, avoid leather in just about any other product. I've been a vegetarian (can not do vegan) for over a year now, and have always been into BDSM. My choice to find a kind farmer who takes care of his cows, to begin eating meat again, has abso-freaking- nothing to do with BDSM, but the simple fact that I have craved meat since the day I made that decision and it is starting to get to me badly, and this would be easier to explain with my spiritual theriantrophy.

I have and always will continue to fight the injustices paid to animal-kind, but fight against a lifestyle I wholeheartedly accept and participate in? Hell no. They are simply fucking ridiculous, stupid basterds who don't seem to realize what the word "consentual" means.

Please however, realize, not all of us, tree hugging, animal loving, salad freaks are idiots.



mantis65 -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 12:14:13 AM)

Well after reading some other articles by this woman she seems to be a bit paranoid about mind control and secret cults making people into black magic sex slaves. I think this has less to do with activism and more to do with a person who is disturbed.

After reading the second rambling article which is basically about making woman into sex livestock via Zen Buddhism and sex magic so they can be used by food by secret groups……I just felt sorry for her.




Slipstreme -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 12:21:54 AM)

yeah really. Got to wonder who really needs help in that equation. I was reading the second article going "Wtf?"

Also knowing how much I love being on the recieving end of the whip, kiss, pay homage to, said instrument, also knowing I either made, or bought it, go to and ask my partners for my floggings. Yeah....mind control my ass. It is more of "You want to do what? Again?!! We just did that!"

Vice versa, I want to attack them, and they let me, plain and simple. I tell them what I want, and they let me, even though all it takes is a simple "no" and I desist.

Yeah, she is a paranoid asshole.



amme -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 12:39:28 AM)

I could see how there could be links between animal and human cruelty certainly, however someone who is cruel to human beings and someone who is involved in bdsm are two different things entirely. I've been vegetarian for 17 yrs and enjoy bdsm, what a weird article....



TheHungryTiger -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 5:28:59 AM)

Not sure if I woudl call this "new" ..... I first saw this back in october of last year.

What I found curious was that they didnt speak out againt femdom-malesub activity. In fact, if you watch their ~documentry~ all the way through, at the end they claim that femdom-malesub would be a very good thing.





thetammyjo -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 7:57:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: amme

I could see how there could be links between animal and human cruelty certainly, however someone who is cruel to human beings and someone who is involved in bdsm are two different things entirely. I've been vegetarian for 17 yrs and enjoy bdsm, what a weird article....


Actually I don't think that link is very new.

I know in psychology there are links between people who become serial killers, rapists, and abusers and their abuse, killing, torture of animals when they are children or teens. I think its one of the "signs" cops and doctors are supposed to look for in fact.

The difference, I think, is that killing your neighbor's cat for the hell of it and raping a kid you pick up in your car and killing her is about your desire for temporary power (though I've heard those that kill think they get total power via the killing). That killer/rapist gets off on what happens and likely relives it to continuing the thrill (sexual or otherwise).

When someone raises an animal for food or hunts for food they aren't doing it for the power probably -- they are doing it for, to put it bluntly, to eat or make money off of people who want to eat the meat. Of all the farmers I've ever known (I grew up in rural Iowa) none of them got off on their "power over the animals" -- they usually considered it damned hard work with a variable profite margin if they got a profit that year.

Hunting for sport? I don't know. My brother and brother-in-laws hunted for sport but they always used all of the animal for food afterwards and never kept trophies. I can't speak to any other way of doing it cause I just don't know those reasons.



thetammyjo -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 7:58:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHungryTiger

Not sure if I woudl call this "new" ..... I first saw this back in october of last year.

What I found curious was that they didnt speak out againt femdom-malesub activity. In fact, if you watch their ~documentry~ all the way through, at the end they claim that femdom-malesub would be a very good thing.





Sounds like a political agenda to me. Big surprise?!



thetammyjo -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 8:04:20 AM)

Apparently this site http://www.deathandhell.com isn't helping things out much of the quotations are correct.

I don't think we can assume that everyone who puts up stuff online is actually doing BDSM nor that people who aren't into BDSM will assume there is consent and negotiation involved.

The site listed for the doctumentary isn't coming up -- my webserver says it doesn't exist.




AngelaK -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 8:26:31 AM)

My husband is a Dom and avid hunter and fisherman and finds those hunters who are irresponsible (injure a bird but don't take the time to hunt it down and finish it off or exceed the game limit and overhunt and area) to be dispicable. Likewise my father has hunted and fished all his life and is the most responsible wildlife conservationist I know. I can speak from experience that neither BDSM or hunting and eating animals constitutes in itself cruelty and I have to assume that woman is speaking from ignorance to make that link.



thetammyjo -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 9:18:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AngelaK

My husband is a Dom and avid hunter and fisherman and finds those hunters who are irresponsible (injure a bird but don't take the time to hunt it down and finish it off or exceed the game limit and overhunt and area) to be dispicable. Likewise my father has hunted and fished all his life and is the most responsible wildlife conservationist I know. I can speak from experience that neither BDSM or hunting and eating animals constitutes in itself cruelty and I have to assume that woman is speaking from ignorance to make that link.


I agree.

I think the article and maybe the documentary which I can't access given the links in said articles, is pushing an agenda with a lot of emotionally charged rhetoric.



Slipstreme -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 10:16:47 AM)

Actually I've found that many of the avid fishermen and hunters, the horrible people that the animal activists are preeching against, tend to be the most responsible and knowledgeable wildlife conservationists out there. After all, you don't see many activists going into conservation or veterinary fields, rather, just activism.

Do I believe killing an animal is wrong? No, so long as it is done quick enough to ensure death and avoid suffering. Most hardcore activists would find my view a dispicable and abusive one.



Urza -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 10:31:34 AM)

England has undergone some major changes in hunting for sport, the fox hunts was a very highly acclaimed sport for the wealthy and upperclass, this has recently been illegalised and a lot of contreversy has stoked the whole debate, Hunting for sport used to be to quell the populations of some of these animals, now even i think it's unnessicary. However farmers killing animals to provide a trade commodity is day to day work, and i can honestly say tonight, i'll more than likely be eating meat, just like the last 2,000,000 meals i've had i guess.



mantis65 -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (3/28/2006 11:52:15 AM)

i cant find the doctumentary either yes is old news but they posted it to so many places online that some people I guess are just finding out about now. I am pretty sure the gates of hell.dot com is like a form Surreal poem thing and has nothing to do with BDSM.  

I had read yet another interview that claimed “moonshine” the slave girl in the Insex video also had opened her own BDSM at the time of the documentaries release.

The problem I have with the first article is it comes off as a pseudo–scientific conspiracy theory  that people with no knowledge of BDSM subculture may believe as fact.



IndigoDadesi -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (4/18/2006 4:58:52 PM)

I wonder how she knows the mental state of an "enslaved" animal?



Lordandmaster -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (4/18/2006 5:09:54 PM)

I was a vegetarian for about a year and a half.  (Then I gave it up.)  But it never affected my BDSM one way or the other.



crazypatient -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (4/21/2006 9:02:28 AM)

Peta are freaks, and as I could probably be described as a birkenstock-wearking-granola-munching-tree-hugger, and was vegitarian for a long time and vegan quite awhile as well.



meatcleaver -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (4/21/2006 4:23:16 PM)

When we all stop eating meat what will we do with all the animals? Kill them all I guess, to free up enough land to grow soya beans to eat. Like all these crack pot ideas, they aren't thought through.

We are animals, there is a food chain. In order for there to be life there has to be death. That doesn't mean one deals in unnecessary cruelty.



mantis65 -> RE: Documentary linking human and animal cruelty (4/21/2006 5:16:57 PM)

Sometimes I break down and buy him “cruelty free” tuna but never stopped me from eating a whopper, big steak or god forbid BBQ ribs.
I don’t eat these because of the painful death of the animal I eat them because they taste good.



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