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The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/14/2010 6:23:10 PM   
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How to leave a soldier
Sunday, Jan 31, 2010 21:01 EST
By Courtney Cook

You'd be surprised how easy it is to leave a soldier on deployment. You can do it with a letter. (He can't argue with you. He doesn't have a phone.) If you lay the groundwork early, saying to the soldier before he leaves, "This will be the end of us, we might as well admit it," it's that much easier. The letter won't even come as a shock.

And if you have children with that soldier? You can handle all that with a letter, too. He'll write it -- because he cares about the kids, because he wants to work with you to do what's best for them even though you're leaving him -- and you'll give it to them. Here again, you will avoid a nasty confrontation. Who will they cry to? You? You're just the teary-eyed bearer of the letter. Him? The one who's sweating it out in the desert?

There will be no moving truck, no boxes, no house torn asunder. The soldier is peeing in a bucket as you pack. He doesn't care who gets the couch.


...

Desert Storm ended just 11 days after the birth of our son, but within weeks John and I were facing a wrenching tragedy. My husband's brother, a U.S. Navy pilot, was killed in a training accident leaving behind my new sister-in-law, and their daughter and baby son. My husband had to drop out of training to be at his own brother's funeral. I spent most of the memorial service watching my dead brother-in-law's children play in the nursery. I was still learning how to breast-feed.

...

We decided enough was enough. John would go on reserve status.

...

Then came 9/11. My husband, like so many others, saw the attacks as a call to action. He went back on active duty and volunteered for a tour in Egypt. Our children were old enough to miss their father now. I put a calendar up in the kitchen so we could check off the days, took them both for cupcakes to cheer them up as we walked home from kindergarten. A part of me was proud of how brave we were all being. The other part was weary with being brave. I took a job at an independent bookstore and started spending time with the young, funny, book-reading guys I met there. When John came back things were awkward. I couldn't stop myself from being angry, couldn't help feeling abandoned.

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Meanwhile I was just 30 years old, working with teenage students, surfing all of their exuberant, sexy, rowdy energy. I was teaching the great literary love stories in class, and coaching Ultimate Frisbee in the exhilarating spring air. On weekends my book-reading friends from the bookstore stopped by. We made dinners together, spent evenings talking and laughing. I liked it that we had so many things to talk about. I liked it that they were near.

...

I am married to a lithe, blue-eyed Marxist whose dissertation was on U.S. imperialism in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, a man who participated in war protests in Santa Cruz, Calif., during the winter I lived at Fort Knox. He has two children of his own -- bright, intense redheads, close in age to mine. I live with him in a tiny apartment in Manhattan, and when we can, we commute together to work. On weekends if we are not at a museum or movie together, we are at home right up next to each other.

Yet I didn't escape what it feels like to love a soldier.

Last July my son, the baby that was born to television coverage of Operation Desert Storm, said goodbye to his high school friends, shaved his head and enrolled in the United States Naval Academy. I am deeply proud of him, but it was my ex-husband who stood with my son on Induction Day. I could not bear to be there, could not watch the child of my body step away from the safe, civilian world I'd tried to so desperately to create for myself and him.

I think my thread title sums it up pretty well.

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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/14/2010 6:32:27 PM   
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Not to mention the Depleted Uranium that is wrecking lives left and right.

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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/14/2010 7:14:10 PM   
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Shallow??
not the definition I would ascribe to it.. however, Im not into feeding your sadists mind fuck tonite:)




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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/14/2010 7:14:52 PM   
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Not to mention the Depleted Uranium that is wrecking lives left and right.





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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/14/2010 7:18:56 PM   
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Shallow??
not the definition I would ascribe to it.. however, Im not into feeding your sadists mind fuck tonite:)


Personally, there are many more fitting words I could use for this. "Typical" being one of them. In the movie Jarhead (based on the book written by a grunt who was in Desert Storm) they had whole walls in their camps in the desert devoted to the evil bitches who cheated on, abandoned, broke up with, etc. the ones deployed overseas. Some of whom even took the kids and simply 'vanished' leaving the soldier to wonder if he'd ever see his kids again (lovely thing to worry about while you're ducking bullets and bombs on a dialy basis.

The phrase "they don't make 'em like they used to" really applies. Back in the days of WWII....*those* were true ladies and wives of military men. That war lasted over half a decade and the women waited (most of them anyway). Nowadays, if the conflict ain't over in 3 months, the soldier has to sit there and worry whether or not he's going to see his kids or whether he will find another man in his bed when he returns home. It's despicable.


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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/14/2010 7:47:44 PM   
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Not to mention the Depleted Uranium that is wrecking lives left and right.



who would want to be pumped full of that shit everytime they have sex?

These guys arent allowed to even donate blood for that reason.

Its ok for the iraqis though.......they are only mooooslems





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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/14/2010 10:07:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY I could not bear to be there, could not watch the child of my body step away from the safe, civilian world I'd tried to so desperately to create for myself and him.


How about the epitome of dense as well? Civilians don't create safe worlds. They hide behind soldiers who do it for them.

I should edit this because most, support the soldiers who do it for them. I guess it's something in the intense eyes of a lithe marxist that makes her think she had any hand in creating a safe world.


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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/14/2010 10:19:23 PM   
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Tell that to all the wives and girlfriends whose SOs are on WESTPAC tours (9 months).

On other threads, you say this should only offend people that display that behavior, but that's not the impression you give with the quote below.

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Shallow??
not the definition I would ascribe to it.. however, Im not into feeding your sadists mind fuck tonite:)


Personally, there are many more fitting words I could use for this. "Typical" being one of them. In the movie Jarhead (based on the book written by a grunt who was in Desert Storm) they had whole walls in their camps in the desert devoted to the evil bitches who cheated on, abandoned, broke up with, etc. the ones deployed overseas. Some of whom even took the kids and simply 'vanished' leaving the soldier to wonder if he'd ever see his kids again (lovely thing to worry about while you're ducking bullets and bombs on a dialy basis.

The phrase "they don't make 'em like they used to" really applies. Back in the days of WWII....*those* were true ladies and wives of military men. That war lasted over half a decade and the women waited (most of them anyway). Nowadays, if the conflict ain't over in 3 months, the soldier has to sit there and worry whether or not he's going to see his kids or whether he will find another man in his bed when he returns home. It's despicable.


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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/15/2010 12:26:35 AM   
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If anyone wants to meet the worst people alive go to any US military base that deploys troops overseas. Observe the spouses and the new boy/girlfriends that come along as soon as the serviceperson is over the horizon. The ones who got pregnant and delivered after 'only' 7 months. The ones who were extra insistent that they get their dependent ID's and the rest done ASAP. The ones who knew all about what benefits a married serviceperson is entitled to. The ones who knew how long the waiting list for base housing was.

And don't think it doesn't happen all the time.

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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/15/2010 1:11:02 AM   
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I don't think shallow is the word I would use for it.

It's weak. And I honestly don't mean that in a judgemental way. People tend to underestimate how hard it is to be a soldier's wife and family. Not everyone can do it. There have always been "Dear John" letters and women who cheated on those overseas - those who think they didn't happen during WWII are deluding themselves. And there have always been soldiers who cheated on their SOs while off fighting. That's weak too.

But I regard these things an understandable weakness. It's emotionally draining to be without the touch of a lover, day in and day out. Wondering if they will die. Watching friends die. Wondering if your loved one will die. Knowing your friends' loved ones are dying. Wondering when that folded flag is going to appear on your door.

So people reach out in ways that are... far less than desirable. The soldier takes a local lover or perhaps just a whore. The spouse back home takes a lover or breaks things off.

It's not right. But it's something I can understand.

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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/15/2010 3:31:59 AM   
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I don't quite know what to make of the OP here. Can't watch your kid get sold into slavery by his own hand ? Can't bear to see what happens next ? I just don't get it.

I turned 18 in 1978, and if Viet Nam would've gone on I might have been subject to the draft. I could be a contientious objector, but that is not me because I am not a pacifist. They come here I will kill and kill and kill. But I will not go to another Man's country and kill him half way across the world for anyone. If I didn't just take the jail time I would maybe wash out of basic on purpose, and if that didn't work I would be dead.

If someone would like any insight on this topic of "serving your country" I suggest you google for this :

Smedly Butler

That guy summed it up pretty well decades before I was born.

To all of our soldiers : THANK YOU. It does not matter if you are doing right or wrong, it matters that you are doing what you think is right.

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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/15/2010 3:58:48 AM   
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What DomKen said.

Deployed soldiers are routinely cheated on by their spouses. While the soldier is at war, spouses drain their bank accounts, sell their vehicles, and don't tell them its over until they get home. They spend the whole year robbing them blind, and only tell them because they have to, when the soldier is back stateside and can see for themselves what happened. 

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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/15/2010 4:43:03 AM   
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If anyone wants to meet the worst people alive go to any US military base that deploys troops overseas. Observe the spouses and the new boy/girlfriends that come along as soon as the serviceperson is over the horizon. The ones who got pregnant and delivered after 'only' 7 months. The ones who were extra insistent that they get their dependent ID's and the rest done ASAP. The ones who knew all about what benefits a married serviceperson is entitled to. The ones who knew how long the waiting list for base housing was.

And don't think it doesn't happen all the time.


Yeah, I spent 8 years in the military, half of it deployed overseas. I saw everything you mentioned, plus some. How about the professional marryer? No idea how she managed it, but friend of mine somehow ended up as a woman's 3rd husband. She waited until we deployed to take everything though. I saw wives pack up and move the day a ship left, and move back the day before it came back. Of course, it wasn't just wives. Ships, in those days, had what was called a pcd, pussy cutoff date. On mine, it was actually posted in the plan of the day. Not by that name, and I can't remember what it was called, but pcd - the last day you can get laid, develop the clap, and be cured before you get back home.

Not everyone was like that, but probably a much higher percentage in than the general population. And to a degree, you can't blame people. That sort of blame has to be something internal if it means anything. Coming from the outside, it's shrug off material, especially in that context.

But safe worlds exist as an enclave behind those who put themselves on the line to keep it that way. History has demonstrated that fact over and over. How people look at this specific case will vary. For me, it isn't what was done. If you were ever part of the military, you saw enough breakups, fuck arounds, to forever cast humanity in a different light than Ward and June would have you believe. It's the how of what was done, along with the inability to watch her son shoulder what he believes is his responsibility. The first part is easier to understand than the second.


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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/15/2010 6:23:54 AM   
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Not to mention the Depleted Uranium that is wrecking lives left and right.



who would want to be pumped full of that shit everytime they have sex?

These guys arent allowed to even donate blood for that reason.

Its ok for the iraqis though.......they are only mooooslems




The idea is to use the soldier- then dispose of him when he is done.   By age 40- we are too frail to over turn on the banksters.    gee.  awfully convenient

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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/15/2010 6:42:46 AM   
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Last July my son, the baby that was born to television coverage of Operation Desert Storm, said goodbye to his high school friends, shaved his head and enrolled in the United States Naval Academy. I am deeply proud of him, but it was my ex-husband who stood with my son on Induction Day. I could not bear to be there, could not watch the child of my body step away from the safe, civilian world I'd tried to so desperately to create for myself and him.







I understand this part of the post.  My son leaves for bootcamp March 1.  He hasn't even left yet, and I'm ill to my stomach with worry for him.  I can't even watch the news, or movies of war, because I don't see strangers.  I see my son. 

I understand.  I know I won't ever regret seeing as MUCH of my son every chance I get.  But, I don't know how I'm going to watch him walk away, he's my baby.   I'm so very proud of him, and I hope I'm strong enough to stand by him and send him off with enough support to see him beyond childhood into adulthood.  I guess I'll have to let you know how shallow I end up being, but I do understand.  It IS heartwrenching and frightening to love a soldier.

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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/15/2010 10:57:26 AM   
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But safe worlds exist as an enclave behind those who put themselves on the line to keep it that way.


Perhaps you might enlighten us as to just when this has ever happened?
Which war that the U.S. has been in did we not start our involvement in?

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RE: The Epitome of "shallow" ... - 2/15/2010 10:59:05 AM   
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I saw everything you mentioned, plus some. How about the professional marryer? No idea how she managed it, but friend of mine somehow ended up as a woman's 3rd husband.

When I was stationed in San Diego a CPO on my ship's ex wife got busted for getting married under false names. Apparentkly she had been moving to different bases in CA, marrying servicemen and then divorcing them. She was apparently getting alimony checks from 5 different servicemen when she got caught. I'm guessing it was a good thing she was locked up when the chief found out.

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