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atUrMercy -> Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/14/2010 8:30:40 PM)

Hi,

I am a straight male submissive.

I just read a news report of a woman horribly torturing another woman for days after turning her into a house-slave, finally causing her to die from making her sleep in the cold basement. I don't know whether this site allows links or not, but it's here

I know it's a very, very horrible thing to do, but I found myself getting aroused, especially after looking at the perpetrator Michelle Riley's photo, and I fantasized about her doing those things, to me and to her victim.

I felt very guilty but my fantasies got the better of me.

Do other submissives feel the same? I thought I'd share it with others who are like me, and hear what they have to say.

Thanks.




DesFIP -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/14/2010 8:46:42 PM)

Some do and some don't. However there is no reason for guilt. You weren't glad this poor woman died, you would never have done this to someone else. You fantasized about it. And that's what a fantasy really is, something which you like the idea of but wouldn't do in reality.

Would you have felt guilty if it were a scene from a movie? No. You're using the news article to kick start a movie in your head. It isn't real.



AquaticSub -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/14/2010 10:00:12 PM)

Some do. Some don't.

I know of a few, myself included at times, who will have an automatic response to reports of such events that is undesireable. I choose to avoid reading reports on incidents that cause arousal because, to me, it feels disrespectful to the victim.

I don't, however, feel guilty about my response. I can not change my wiring. I can only limit my exposure to such articles.



ResidentSadist -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/15/2010 3:09:53 AM)

Is your question:

Do others feel guilty by getting turned on at thoughts of being beaten with a plunger, burned with a hot glue gun, routinely scalded by boiling water so badly it peels your skin back, getting used her for target practice with a BB pistol and being forced to walk around naked?

or is it

Do others feel guilty by getting turned on by a murderer that you think looks hot in a mug shot?

[image]http://www.truecrimereport.com/Michelle-Riley.jpg[/image]



servantforuse -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/15/2010 5:33:04 AM)

For me it would certainly be the later. I hope that all involved get what they deserve.



Futuresocks -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/15/2010 5:41:15 AM)

This one had me a touch more shocked about the shear horror, but I'll admit, it does have an arousing affect too. Though not to THAT degree, I want those things to happen to me.

I guess the best thing about this board and our being kinky is that we can share stuff like this and be understood. Our wiring is for sure different, and the gang understands that.



afkarr -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/15/2010 6:04:05 AM)

I guess I must fall into the some don't catagory, because I am so not seeing any fascination or fantasy from this at all. And she really isn't that hot in the mug shot either. I hope they manage to find her the biggest, meanest, ugliest group of critters for cell mates that they can come up with............



Lucienne -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/15/2010 6:17:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: atUrMercy

I felt very guilty but my fantasies got the better of me.


I don't think guilt is a very useful response. But yes, you probably should have some recognition that you just responded to a story of brutal objectification by further objectifying the victim's experience as a source for your personal sexual satisfaction. The victim doesn't care, she's dead. And, honestly, it's going to be more pleasant for you mentally to respond to this story as wank fodder rather than as a point of reflecting on man's inhumanity to man. If I were you, I wouldn't feel guilty as much as monitor myself for excessively self-absorbed responses to the world.



CelticNightmare -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/15/2010 8:49:00 PM)

A lot of us have really dark sides that we harbor. MOST of us can come close to expressing them while doing minimal harm to others we participate with.That is the art,the combination of consent-fantasy and practical skills in executing these fantasies to reality.

But the "victim" walks away-more or less intact.

That's the basic difference between a good Top and a monster.

One lets you go-the other never does.



Exploratorynfun -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/15/2010 11:54:28 PM)

Personally this was not submission rather abuse and I dont see how any of you can get turned on by this story, fantasy or not..... besides the fact that it resulted in the death of an unborn fetus and the sick things they did to her 1 year old.... So it puzzles me how any of you can even fantasize about anything that happened to this mentally challenged women.



jujubeeMB -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/16/2010 2:36:45 AM)

This reminds me of when I was accidentally turned on by the story about the couple who kept a woman in a large locked wooden box under their bed for like ten years. After the orgasm, I decided I was done indulging ANY of my sexual fantasies along those lines, even privately, forever.

The ban lasted a month, and then I rationalized away my guilt when I realized that no one but me (and now, all of you) would ever know about my incredibly dark thoughts, and I still deserved to indulge in my fantasies. Don't feel guilty about stuff like that (if you can help it), but I would recommend following Aqua's advice and don't seek it out, out of respect for those who've genuinely, non-consensually suffered. Now I try to confine my inappropriate turn-ons to fictional rape scenes in movies and books.



dreamerdreaming -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/16/2010 3:24:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

quote:

ORIGINAL: atUrMercy

I felt very guilty but my fantasies got the better of me.


I don't think guilt is a very useful response. But yes, you probably should have some recognition that you just responded to a story of brutal objectification by
further objectifying the victim's experience as a source for your personal sexual satisfaction. The victim doesn't care, she's dead. And, honestly, it's going to be more pleasant for you mentally to respond to this story as wank fodder rather than as a point of reflecting on man's inhumanity to man. If I were you, I wouldn't feel guilty as much as monitor myself for excessively self-absorbed responses to the world.



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CarrieO -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/16/2010 5:23:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Futuresocks
I guess the best thing about this board and our being kinky is that we can share stuff like this and be understood. Our wiring is for sure different, and the gang understands that.


I guess this is one of those incidences where I don't understand and don't see this as kink. 

The victim was tortured and abused repeatedly, shot with pellets from a BB gun, and repeatedly burned on her head and body with hot liquids among various other acts from Dec. 1 through Jan. 30.  She was also developmental disabled and 6 months pregnant.

http://www.whig.com/Riley-Web--MON

There's a difference between consensual kink/consensual non-consent/abuse and torture.



Aynne88 -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/16/2010 7:15:05 AM)

Yes, I am with Carrie. I don't mean  to disrespect the OP, but no, I find this heinous, repulsive and hope that the ugly smug faced bitch in the mugshot finds her just rewards in prison. Doing this to an unconsenting person is vile enough, but a pregnant woman? Makes me livid.  So no, we are not all an understanding bunch when it comes to acts like this.



Lucienne -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/16/2010 7:16:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CarrieO
There's a difference between consensual kink/consensual non-consent/abuse and torture.


I didn't assume that the OP got off on the non-consensual nature of the events, but that he focused in on the acts themselves and played them out in a consensual fantasy. It's possible to extract details from a story and strip them of their context. Sort of like how I read your link and all the awful details in it but was most mentally engaged by this:

quote:

The six people charged each face four counts of first-degree murder, one count of intentional homicide of an unborn child, one count of heinous battery and one count of aggravated battery.


Wondering how they could each face four counts of first-degree murder when there is only one dead body, and assuming that the writer made a mistake.

I understand what you're saying Carrie, and I agree - it doesn't look remotely "kinky" to me and I don't generally find myself aroused by such scenarios. I would go so far as to say that I'm not sure I would be comfortable being partnered with someone who would be aroused by reading that story - but I think that would have more to do with my valuing sympathetic imagination, not the specific details... I wouldn't be comfortable being partnered with someone who responds to stories of poverty with reductive "bootstraps!" thinking.



CarrieO -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (2/16/2010 7:50:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne

quote:

ORIGINAL: CarrieO
There's a difference between consensual kink/consensual non-consent/abuse and torture.


I didn't assume that the OP got off on the non-consensual nature of the events, but that he focused in on the acts themselves and played them out in a consensual fantasy. It's possible to extract details from a story and strip them of their context. Sort of like how I read your link and all the awful details in it but was most mentally engaged by this:

quote:

The six people charged each face four counts of first-degree murder, one count of intentional homicide of an unborn child, one count of heinous battery and one count of aggravated battery.


Wondering how they could each face four counts of first-degree murder when there is only one dead body, and assuming that the writer made a mistake.

I understand what you're saying Carrie, and I agree - it doesn't look remotely "kinky" to me and I don't generally find myself aroused by such scenarios. I would go so far as to say that I'm not sure I would be comfortable being partnered with someone who would be aroused by reading that story - but I think that would have more to do with my valuing sympathetic imagination, not the specific details... I wouldn't be comfortable being partnered with someone who responds to stories of poverty with reductive "bootstraps!" thinking.



I agree, the OP didn't necessarily appear to be excited by the actual story of torture/abuse in so much a reality but more as a fantasy or, as you say, in a consensual fantasy.

What I was responding to was the portion I quoted from another post, not the OP's, that given this is a kinky "community" the discussion would be understood by "the gang".  I understand fantasy and that many fantasies are best left in the realm of the imagination...that doesn't mean I understand simply because of a suppossed community and assumed standards. 

To the OP....Whether or not you choose to feel guilt for your arousal is up to you.  What's also up to you is what you choose to do with that desire...how far you'd be willing to take in in RL.


Just my opinion...nothing more, nothing less.



SlaveSubtoserve -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/19/2010 10:56:39 AM)

..i know what you mean by this though this one was too vile for my fantasies but the one re keeping the peron locked up in a box under the bed for a while would do it....unfort so few of these refer to males so captured.



WestBaySlave -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/19/2010 12:17:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: atUrMercy

Hi,

I am a straight male submissive.

I just read a news report of a woman horribly torturing another woman for days after turning her into a house-slave, finally causing her to die from making her sleep in the cold basement. I don't know whether this site allows links or not, but it's here

I know it's a very, very horrible thing to do, but I found myself getting aroused, especially after looking at the perpetrator Michelle Riley's photo, and I fantasized about her doing those things, to me and to her victim.

I felt very guilty but my fantasies got the better of me.

Do other submissives feel the same? I thought I'd share it with others who are like me, and hear what they have to say.

Thanks.


Though this story did absolutely nothing for me, the general dilemma is one I understand.

Sadly, my moral compass and my sex drive are not in harmony. There's some lizard-brain part of me that looks at things that I find reprehensible on every level and says "Oh, that's hot!" Even if I don't want to think something is hot. Not only am I turned on by things I would personally never be involved with, I'm turned on by things I think no-one should ever do.

I've made peace with the fact that something can be both intensely erotic and morally reprehensible, and as long as fantasy and reality never meet, those two things both being true isn't a conflict.



windchymes -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/19/2010 2:27:03 PM)

I have to admit, there are a couple of women at work that I have had very similar fantasies about doing those things to, but unfortunately for me, they will remain just delicious, satisfying fantasies.  I may be a sick fucker, but I'm not quite that sick.



domiguy -> RE: Feel guilty after being aroused by news-report of torture. (5/19/2010 2:33:02 PM)

SlaveSubtoserve, what turns me on is the thought of your sub ass being thrust onto a rotisserie and you twisting over a hot flame for responding to a post that has not been touched for over three months.

I hate you. I am jerking off to the thought of you perishing in the flames.



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